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#16956 - 01/27/04 12:05 AM Another Color Mutation Question. lol.
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I have tried figuring out from the posts before, but I can't get my brain to work this way for some reason. hehee. lol.

Okay, I have a question about pairing a regular gray glider female with an interesting Male. He's not exactly Leucistic, but he's white with pink nose and toes, black eyes, black ears, and a black tail. So I'm not sure WHAT exactly you would call him. lol. Anyway, IF this pair were put together, what exactly would result? Is it possible they would have leucistic babies? Or no, since he may not be leucistic himself. Or Would he be?? I think I've confused MYSELF now. lol. HaHa. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

And in turn, if an offspring would result from this, would they be Het for Leucistic, or something else? Or would the not be? And how likely would it even be for a white male and gray female to produce white babies? And what would be the chances of this? And what would be the chances of one Het (if there was an offsrping from him) paired with another regular gray glider...what would be the chances of this pairing producing a white baby.

Okay, Lord I'm confused. lol. I will hope that SOMEONE even knows what I am saying and can help me figure it out. I've stared at the percents, but this seems to be a unique case, since I'm not sure he would be considered leucistic or not. Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks SO much. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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#16957 - 01/27/04 12:32 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Amy...can you post a picture of your glider by chance? Trying to figure out what your glider looks like.

To get a Leucestic....both parents "must" carry the Leucestic gene. Leucestic's when line bred to gliders of odd colors do produce other colorations of different degrees. However, usually there is more white on these gliders...such as a total white face, white leggings and so forth. It is a matter how the genetic code is at the moment of conception that determines the coloration.

I myself am an amature. It would take a few others here on the board to discribe the process.

Not much is known about the mapping of the gene code as the sugar glider is such a new pet and the colors are just in the beginning phases. It will take some of the mega breeders to take interest in the various colors to pay for a DNA mapping so to speak. Until then only a handfull of us are doing a hit and miss job at it so to speak by pairing some of these different colors we are strarting to see.
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#16958 - 01/27/04 12:36 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Your glider sounds like he is soooo cool! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> I really want to see a picture of him! Better yet, I want one just like him! Here's a link that might help you understand the whole genetics thing a little better Mendel's Laws of genetics <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" /> It cleared up some of the questions I had. You should definitely breed him! Especially with his interesting combination. Whatever the resulting babies would be, most likely at least one of his kids would carry the color evetually, and I think all may carry the genes for the coloration. If I'm not mistaken, from my talk with Judie(who has and breeds her leucistic), it may take a number of breedings to actually get one that shows the color. Your glider may help us get a more clear understanding of how many alleles the glider possesses seeing as he is likely an interesting combination of leucistic and gray? Somewhere in his genetics he must possess some of the genetic combinations that form the basis for a leucistic, yet he must have retained a couple of the gray combinations as well? As of yet from what I have been told, we don't know exactly how many combinations(alleles) total are responsible for creating a gliders color. I'm kind of new to the whole selective breeding/genetics thing, but there are a few folks out there that may be quite thrilled to tell you what you may get, and they know way way more than I do. I am very excited for you and your cool glider! Breed him please and maybe we could have another variation, and I will be begging you on my hands and knees for a joey! Someone will definitely come along and give you as much info as you can handle! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />

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#16959 - 01/27/04 12:37 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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see, Judie even beat me to the post! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

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#16960 - 01/27/04 01:03 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Judie, I wish I WISH I had a picture of him. He is not mine and I have not seen him, but I have been talking to a very very good friend of mine (who's been offline because of a move, and has just recently come back to the internet world with us, lol). BUT, she's a friend of mine, and honest, and I believe her one hundred percent that her baby is exactly how she says he is. She has taken pictures of him, though her camera is packed away in a box somewhere, and she's promised me, she will dig it out and get pictures to me ASAP, as soon as tomorrow or the next few days. I have been BEGGING her for them myself for the last three days. lol. He sounds SO amazing, doesn't he? I think some of you may have picked up on the rumor of this baby boy a few months ago from a post copied from glider gossip...

As of earlier today, my friend said she was going to neuter him because she couldn't have any more babies and she would NOT sell them. But I've talked to her all night long, saying what a rare beauty he his, and it would be a shame to not at least give him a chance to try and produce another like him, and I have finally convinced her to wait and not neuter him just yet...

She will pair him with a regular gray female, a two year old gray, because she, like me, has no chance of buying another leucistic or even a Het because they are just so so so expensive, but goodness, I sure would love to, that's for sure...

ANYway, this sweet little beauty is only two months old, just a Babe, so it will more than likely be some time before he is ready to mate, but he has been with Tink, who will be his companion and now, mate, and when and if he's ready, hopefully, they will mate, and we had hoped... that he would produce a couple little beauties just like himself, but from what Judie says, he "must" be paired with another leu. or het. to produce a leu. so our chances don't look so good,...as I said, unfortunately, this is impossible.

I think she said she will only breed him once, and she will be giving the joeys to me as a gift. I have no problems trying to breed the offspring to try and figure out stuff more clearly, but if they are only (lord only knows what percent Het) and I still can't afford another leu, or het, then that probably won't help much either, will it?? lol. Ah well. I am still excited to get the offspring all the same. Thrilled more like it. Even if they look nothing like their Daddy, who we have tentatively name Gemelli tonight. Which is Italian, for twin, in honor of his sister "angel" who died at a week old.

Anyway, I KNOW how much of a painful wait it is to see pictures of him. I am dying to as well. lol. But I will try describing him one more time as best as I can until then, and If she will allow me too, as soon as I get pictures, I will post one for you all to see...

Anyway, Gemelli (and I'm already calling him Gem, even if that does sound girly. lol) has black whiskers on a pink noes that matches his little pink toes. He has big black eyes, and black ears, and a big beautiful black tail. His body is white and my friend says you can just barely see the merest hint of his stripe, but it's very hard to see. And while he's only two months old, he's already as big as him Momma and Daddy, and looks strong and healthy and beautiful. I am just dying to see pictures. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> And like I said, I have not SEEN this glider myself, but I trust my friend's word, and I believe her a hundred percent. Hopefully, I can share pictures soon.

So, thankyou SO much for tha link, I will go and check it out now. Does anyone think there is even the SLIGHTEST chance, that we will get a white baby? And if not... is there a HINT of a chance we could get a white baby from a Het for this coloring and a regular gray glider? (because that's all I'll be able to pair with the babies, when and IF this breeding is successful)...

And other info, from anyone knowledgeable, would be so SO appreciated. ThankYou!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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#16961 - 01/27/04 03:45 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Well, I hope this glider is not going to be altered. Be a shame.

If a het for leucestic is out of the question...what about a possible het? They are half the price of a het. This then would offer more than likly the greatest liklyhood of producing or continuing beautiful offspring.

To continue the coloring...suggestion is to breed a leucestic het. To get white...both parents must carry the gene. One cannot breed Leucestic to a normal to express the color. Offspring though...would be hets and more than likly normal in color...gray. However, the offspring then would be hets and then if bred to a glider who is het or leucestic or possible het...the leucestic coloring then would be expressed in some of the offspring.


Edited by Judie (01/27/04 03:53 AM)

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#16962 - 01/27/04 04:06 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Oh, Hi Judie. lol. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> I was just on my way to bed when I noticed your post. Well I *can't* say with every ounce of my being that he is as I say and NOT neutered. BUT, I did talk for hours and hours today with his human parent and she assures me that he isn't yet neutered. If you say someone told you it was a "glider that sounds like the one I am describing" that was neutered, and to my knowledge, there is no other glider "quite" like the one I am describing, that is fascinating to me. Would it be too much to ask (maybe here, in a PM, or email) where you heard this and how they heard this?) I would be ever so grateful. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You know, nothing is impossible. It will be some time (since Gemelli is but two months old as I type) before he will breed with his mate, and have joeys, and hopefully these joeys are healthy, and then they will have to be weaned and then I will have to get to them or they to me, and then they will have to grow a bit before they will be able to mate, obviously, lol, so by then, who knows, maybe it WILL be possible to buy a possible het, or het, but I just can't say. They are all very expensive and possible Het seems very risky. BUT, I know that I want to try and give Gemelli's children every possible chance to produce babies like their father (no matter WHAT they may look like), and I will try to do everything in my ability to give them that chance, if nothing else, because it fascinates me and I want to learn more about it, and I want to see if, (like ernie and lindsay said), we can maybe learn a thing or two from them. I can't even fathom how amazing that would be...but to be able to even find a leucistic, or a Het, or a possible Het...I'm afraid I would need a lot of money, a TON of luck, and someone kind enough to help me find/get one. I sure dont see a lot of them...


So anyway, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Is anyone possibly able to help me figure out my scenario here. If, for instance I have a het for Gemelli, (whatever you want to call his coloring), which would be his children, and they were to be paired with a standard gray, or BEW, or het, OR possible het, what would be the percentages of my chances of having a joey like their pappa?? I will continue to TRY and figure this out on my own, lol, but so far, it's eluding me. I sincerely give you that have it figured out (even if only SOMEWHAT) credit and my admiration, because it completely baffles me. lol. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> But I'm sure trying...

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#16963 - 01/27/04 09:03 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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There was a glider of a special color but it was not like yours...but quite different with it's coloration. It has since been altered.

Right now...I have a thread going...Leucestic bred to possible het and producing white. Couple of threads down in this forum...think you can get the percentages there.

Good Luck.
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#16964 - 01/27/04 12:32 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Hi Judie, thankyou for responding. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I did check out the percentages in the other post, and try to figure it out. But at first, I wasnt even sure it was applicable, since Gemelli is so different. Would he be a true Leucistic? Or would he be something else entirely? So I wasn't sure the standard chart even applied if he was so different. But, assuming that it DOES apply to him as well, I was still having a bit of trouble figuring it all out. I couldn't seem to get why it was better to have a POSSIBLE Het with a Leucistic and have a 66% chance of babies over 50% of having babies if you paired a Het with a Leucistic, because when the POSSIBLE Het produces white joeys (if he does, I mean) then he wasn't really a Possible Het was he? He was a Het, and we just didn't know it, Right? Which would be a 50% chance...

And what about Babies that a few people sell? I see 8 week old Het joeys being sold, (for whatever color variation) and it says Het. So would these truly be POSSIBLE Hets, since they haven't bred yet and you don't KNOW that they carry the gene, if only 60% of them will and 40% of them won't. So does that mean all joeys sold have to be sold as Possible Hets? And does this affect the price on them??

In an 8 week old joey, who's Daddy is white (or some variant of white), but Baby is Gray, do we call him a Het, or a Possible Het? And how much is a Possible Het if you were to try and buy one? And How much for a Het? And how much for a Leucistic, and does sex matter. What's better? -To have a female with the gene, or the male to have the gene? SO many questions... lol. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

I agree that it would be a shame to see Gemelli neutered. But his human Momma sees him as a pet, and just adores him, so she doesn't want a mess on her hands. Who can blame her there? I asked that we please please give him at least one shot at being a Daddy, and she and her sweet Hubby have agreed, and that's all I could ask of her. I am so very grateful that he gets to try once, at least... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />



Edited by AmyMichelle (01/27/04 06:51 PM)

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#16965 - 01/27/04 07:16 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Hi. Me Again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> lol. I just had another question to go along with the others in my last post above.

Since Gemelli isn't mine and I have no say in who he is mated too, he will be paired with a standard Gray...

My question is, will I be able to make up the difference, so to speak, by hopefully, somehow, some way, some day getting a leucistic, leucistic Het, or possible Leucistic to pair with the joey(s) (whether they be white or gray, or both). Will it basically still be a slim chance to none of getting a leucistic if I have two possible Hets rather than a little white angel to pair it with? Like I said, I can't do much about who Gemelli breeds with, but I will have some say about who his children breed with. I know I have quite a bit of time before it matters, I just want to be ready with all the knowledge I can find when the time comes. lol.

And I'm still quite curious about the questions in my post above if there are any gene mutation knowledgeable folks in here tonight... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Thanks So Much Guys and Girls!!

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#16966 - 01/27/04 07:30 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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OMG OMG OMG I can't believe I almost missed this topic! I want this glider SOOOOOO bad!!!!! PLEASE post a pic, tell me his location so I can visit him!!!

Seriously, I have been thinking for years about what we could do to bring out the Himalayan gene and here it is!!! I am SO excited about this I just about wet myself.

Just to clear something up, Himalayan genes are actually closer to albino in the genetic makeup, would be "het" for albino if anything. It's commonly represented genetically as "ch", whereas albino would be "c", and so himalayans can be made of ch ch or ch c. In other species "ca" is also the same thing.

I am guessing since the eyes are black it is ch ch, and I am guessing that the ch in gliders doesn't show up when matched with grey (if both of his parents were normal colors) so that does help a bit with genetics. I think the best colors to breed it with would be albino or leucistic, but if your friend doesn't have the money to breed it with those colors it would be an awful shame. I want one soooooo bad.....

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#16967 - 01/27/04 07:38 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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The glider in question if not completely white is a het. A het bred with a normal only has a 25% chance of producing another het. If the glider is bred with a het, there is a much greater chance of producing white.
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#16968 - 01/27/04 07:50 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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I hate to disagree with you, but a himalayan has homozygous genes, not heterozygous. That's why it's ch ch.

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#16969 - 01/27/04 07:59 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Hi Mage. I don't what the heck you just said about all the c ch ch c stuff, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> lol. But you sound like you know a little bit about what you're talking about. So teach me teach me. lol. I am eager to learn. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

I don't have a picture of Gemelli yet, sadly, (he's not mine, if that got lost in all my wordy posts, lol) But I should have one in a few days, when my friend finds her digital and gets it to me (she's just moved, lol), but I will certainly post a pic here soon, with her permission of course.

Sheila, thanks so much for the info. My, that does sound Grim, doesn't it? The way that sounds, if he's not even a leucistic, but only a Het, (even though he's 3/4 white), and if paired with anything OTHER than a pure leucistic the joeys will be worthless, then I probably shouldn't even bother, right? sounds like nothing but disappointment would come, so I should probably just let her go ahead and neuter him next month as she had planned. That's depressing...

Anyway, I have gotten the learning bug now though, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> so please keep the informative gene mutation posts coming. Mage, I am excited to hear about what you know, and thanks so much for posting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#16970 - 01/27/04 08:21 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Ok, if I wasn't clear before let me try to rephrase.

Glider genetics have not yet been studied enough to know what genes are present, or what combinations lead to what colors. However, albino and himalayan genes are constant across species and follow the same patterns. I make my assumptions on himalayan gliders based on mouse, rat, gerbil, and basically any other mammal's genetic rules.

Here is a link that leads to a gerbil color chart. http://www.gerbil-info.com/html/genetics1.htm

Himalayan gene is represented by ch (or ca sometimes). An animal that has only one ch would be heterzygous, or "het", for the himalayan gene, but it would look like it's dominant color. For instance, if it was ch and grey, it would look grey. If it was ch and cinnamon, it would look cinnamon. We don't know if there is a dilution gene for sugar gliders, if there was than a ch + dilution gene MAY result in a himalayan as well. But for now let's assume it doesn't exist. Then the only combinations that would result in visible himalayan coloring would be ch ch or ch c, the only difference being eye color. The ch ch would have black eyes, the ch c would have pink eyes.

It's still very difficult to judge glider coloring, because as far as I know gliders do not have a pink eye locus or a red eye locus, which does come in to play many times in coloring. It gives me a headache sometimes, because it seems we DON'T know more than we know. But like I said, himalayan color genes are much more universal and predictable among the different species.

Just type in "himalayan gene" into google and you'll see what I mean.

Also, we don't have letters yet to represent the grey color gene. But if the himalayan was bred with a grey you'd get ch g (I made the g up for grey). The offspring would be normal in color. However, if you bred the offspring together (which I don't recommend), you would have a 25% chance of getting g g (grey), 50% chance of getting more het for himalayan ch g (grey) and a 25% chance of getting a himalayan ch ch. Please don't imbreed your pets, I was just using this as an example.

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#16971 - 01/27/04 08:36 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Mage, thank you for going that extra step furthur in explaining this stuff to me. Before this week, (the last three days actually), I've not looked at any of this, and I have a long way to catch up...

ThankYou for the link. I will check it out now... I really appreciate you giving me the extra reading. Hopefully soon, all of this will start to sink in. lol.

And as for breeding siblings? lol I don't know if I come across as a person who would consider something like that, but I assure you, I wouldn't. I WAS curious (but only because I heard it somewhere else) that it would be okay to breed, for example, the daughter of a daughter of a daughter of a daughter back to Dad (with the Moms changing each time to bring in complete new DNA) that THIS would be all right, but I probably wouldn't even do that without a lot of people saying it would work. But Anyway, No, I wouldnt breed a brother and sister, nor would I breed them to Dad.

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#16972 - 01/27/04 09:48 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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I have never heard of a glider of this color and I have seen quite a bit of color. I have seen gliders with white feet and black and white tails, but not black ears, only gray ones with those color combinations.
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#16973 - 01/27/04 10:12 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Isn't that something, that an animal unlike any other (that we know of, of course) can be born into the world? Well, who knows, maybe he will forever be the only one of his kind. I think ALL the new glider color variants are just fascinating. I just saw a new "marble-like" pattern from Pricilla's in Texas. My, those are so neat too. It's ALL so complicated though. I don't know how I will ever get it all down... lol.

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#16974 - 01/28/04 02:00 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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So I'm curious, lol, (I know, big Surprise, right? lol), <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> Anyway, I'm curious that, if in other animals, the gene that produces white bodies and black ears and tails are called Himalayan, then would that be accurate in gliders too? Or assuming anyway. I know nothing is definite, but if he isn't gray, and Sheila says he's not Leucistic, and I don't see how he can be a Het for Leucistic if he's not Leucistic and his parents aren't Leucistic, and his grandparents are unknown...so what would we even call him? Himalayan? Or is he just...nothing? lol. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> So confusing... lol.

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#16975 - 01/28/04 02:22 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Oh...but there is a dilute gene in gliders. This gene if theory is correct would be the red we see in cinnamons and yellow that we see in Butter colored gliders.

We also know from breeding that the gene for wf blonde is a co-dominate gene.



Edited by Judie (01/28/04 02:31 AM)
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#16976 - 01/28/04 02:36 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Tell me...is this the post that someone claimed their friend had a white baby? She was moving and the person was unable to get pictures yet? That goes back a spell and we have yet to see photos. Will be interesting if they appear after all this time.

By the way...does this glider have a stripe?
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#16977 - 01/28/04 02:50 AM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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The breeding I have seen with hets for leucestic and with possible hets with leucestic...when bred to gliders with the dilute genes such as red or butter color...give some interesting combinations of color and especially if a glider may have the white gene present. These dilute colored gliders are very affordable...around $225-$300.

Think we need to see a digital photo of this beauty. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#16978 - 01/28/04 11:15 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Hi again Judie. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> Lets see. First of all, thankyou again for replying.

The dilute gene you speak of sounds fascinating. I just wish I knew enough about this stuff to know what it mean. lol. Is it possible to tell me how the dilute gene applies in this situation, so I better grasp how it works?

To answer a couple of your questions. Yes, that's the baby in question. I believe it was a gentleman by the name of Randy, who posted a link to another glider board, Glider Gossip, and asked about the little white baby it was talking about. It is My friend that had the glider parents who had the little white Baby. And yes, she has sold her house and moved across several states with kids and gliders and hotel stays and what not, so the camera got packed and she went offline until the move in to the new house was complete. Anyway, she has pictures of him as a baby and has promised them to me very soon, as well as new ones, now, at two months as soon as she digs out the camera.

Does Gemelli have a stripe? My friend says that he seems to, but the faintest hint of one. She says you have to look close to even see it. She says he's gotten a little creamier since he was born but still very very light, closer to white than anything else I believe she said...

There's been a couple small, but exciting developements in the past couple days. My friend says that Gemelli has started to get what appears to be the merest hint of a bald spot. He's only two months old though, so I thought that was interesting...

Also, My friend has been closely examining her glider pair, this little guys parents, and she said that she was surprised to see what LOOKED like the smallest white spot on Daddy, on his fur. She said she never noticed it before. I don't know what this could mean, or if it even really means anything. She has also said she would take a picture of this too for me, just as soon as she can. But pictures of Daddy and his spot and baby Gemelli should be here soon.

I am very interested in what you were talking about with the dilutes gliders though and all and how you say they're affordable and what not. I have no idea what I'll be able to afford in the near future... but I would really like to try and get something other than a regular standard gray when it comes time to breed one of his children. So I really need to figure out how I should go about looking for something and where I would get them.

Anyway, thankyou again Judie, and if there's any other tips you can think of that might help me out, I sure would appreciate it. ThankYou. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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#16979 - 02/17/05 06:36 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Sorry to bring this back to the top, being so old, just wondered what ever came of that glider? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

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#16980 - 02/17/05 07:34 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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OMG How did I miss this LOL

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#16981 - 02/17/05 08:13 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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That's an easy one to answer.. lol. Gosh such old news, I nearly forgot all about it..

To make a VERY long and complex story short.. lol.. I went all the way to Chatanooga Tennessee to see this mystery glider for myself after getting the runaround when asking for pictures. Not surprisingly.. the glider was.. "unavailable" for me to meet him, even though she knew for weeks that I was coming, and promised to have the glider there and ready to see. But he was "with her sister" since they were in the process of moving, supposedly.. and I was asked to come back another time.. but since it was an eight hour trip.. I'm pretty sure that my "friend" knew that I wasn't going to come back. When I finally DID get back home.. I recieved a handful of pictures of this beautiful glider.. but I couldn't quite put my finger on why it didn't seem right to me. I showed the pictures to a "Real" friend of mine.. very knowledgeable on the pictures to be found in the glider community.. and she showed me exactly where I could find the pictures of the very same gliders shown BEFORE they had been doctored. I confronted my "Friend" on how this could be.. and never heard from her again. Needless to say folks.. I was naive, and this woman was nothing but a lying scammer. Now.. I never would have even made the trip to find out for myself.. if this woman hadn't acted the part of a friend so long for a good YEAR before this supposed glider was ever even born, so I had no hint that I should have ever suspected her of lying to me.. but lie she did.. I was shocked.. and apalled.. but the GOOD news is.. she was found out.. and the people who were contacting her.. interested in buying this glider, and offspring from him.. were informed.. by me.. that this woman was a fraud, and they, of course.. instantly dropped all contact with her and didn't make that fatal mistake of paying their hard earned money to this woman for something that didn't exist. It's disappointing.. I know.. that this interesting and beautiful glider turned out to not even exist. But it was far sadder to me.. to have my very own encounter with a shady predator only looking to get rich on a lie. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" /> ..I should have dug this old post up ages ago to update it.. so I'm glad someone else has.. but to tell you the truth.. lol.. I forgot all about it. ANYway.. that's the scoop.. out-dated as it may be. lol. I sincerely apologise for misleading anyone back then.. I was just the victim of one of those nasty people you never hope to meet in your life.. Luv <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Ames!!

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#16982 - 02/17/05 08:25 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Aww, Ames, I am soooo sorry that you went through all that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> Oh well, better to find out that she wasn't a true friend. How can people be so nasty? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

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#16983 - 02/18/05 02:13 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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Hey you said you had they pictures of it. Do you think you could post them so we could see what a glider WOULD have looked like. Also I'd like to see them just because <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> if you could do that, that would be great!

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#16984 - 02/18/05 02:19 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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I WANT TO SEE TOO!!

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#16985 - 02/18/05 03:02 PM Re: Another Color Mutation Question. lol. [Re: ]
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I don't know if Ames should circulate a doctored picture - maybe put some text on there to say that it was manipulated first? Otherwise it'll get away from the forums and more people will start thinking that this coloration exists. While we now know that it was a fake, once the picture's been passed around a few times, people will get confused.

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