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#184776 - 12/12/06 10:31 AM Meeko is sick
SarahW Offline
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Hi all,

I noticed last night that Meeko was acting kind oflethargically, just hanging out in one corner of the cage. Normally he is very active and runs on his wheel. But when I would go to pet him he would run around, so I made a note to check him in the morning.

This morning he was still up, still sitting in the corner. I went to pet him, and he ran to the food dish. Thought things might be ok till I got a good look at him. He has a deep purple nose, a slow but steady shake to his head, and breathing too fast. His paws are cold. Obviously he is sick, vet apppointment is scheduled in about an hour.

In addition to that, he has a weak crab. Normally he is pretty vocal and pretty quick to nip if he is upset (not hard, but just to send a message). I have isolated him from his cagemate, Joey (who is doing fine, pink nose, normal breathing, no shakes, normal activity), although Joey wanted to hang near him last night (run away, play for a minute, then come back and check on him).

I am worried, please pray for as good a vet visit as can be hoped for...

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#184781 - 12/12/06 10:42 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
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Let us know what the vet says wink

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#184782 - 12/12/06 10:44 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
LSardou Offline
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wave I am so sorry that your baby is sick, I'm sure by now your on your way to the vet. Good thinking....I will say a prayer and hope that he will be alright. Let us know what you find out..... heart

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#184787 - 12/12/06 10:48 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: LSardou]
Karin Offline
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Very observant and quick acting on your part for Meeko...wishing your vet visit goes well and Meeko feels better soon...please keep us updated!
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#184790 - 12/12/06 10:52 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: Karin]
Xfilefan Offline
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It could be either respiratory, or an infection in the head. If his nose is more reddish than blue, I'd also have the vet do an Xray to see what's in his head/jaw/sinus. Either way you'll need an antibiotic, but it helps to know where to target for. Please update after the vet. hug2
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#184796 - 12/12/06 11:00 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: Xfilefan]
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Sending prayers for Meeko. Please let us know when you can.

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#184817 - 12/12/06 12:03 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: pappy1264]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Praying for Meeko and that all goes well at the vet's. Please do give us an update when you get home...
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#184845 - 12/12/06 12:55 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: sugarglidersuz]
SarahW Offline
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Meeko has an upper respiratory infection. The doctor listened to his lungs and said that only the anterior parts were congested. When the doctor picked him up he was stressed and making that click-click breathing noise, but as soon as he put him down, he relaxed and the noise went away. He is breathing faster but not laboring to do so. The vet also checked his eyes, ears, mouth/gums, and paws.

The vet also found that Meeko is a little dehydrated and has lost a little weight (some from dehydration, but he probably didn't eat much last night or the night before, either). His feces are still the right color and well-formed, so there is no diarrhea. He is shivering (the shaking I observed in his head was him trying to balance against the shivering plus faster breathing). The vet said we caught it early, so that is good news, and that Meeko will be ok in a couple of days, which is even better news.

Meeko will be on Baytril for the next ten days. The vet gave Meeko an injected, higher dose at the office, and instructions to start on .1 mL (it is also a little diluted)twice a day tomorrow. I am to offer him pedialyte tonight and tomorrow to get his fluids/electrolytes back to normal, but the vet also recommended that I feed him some sweet potato baby food (high in complex carbs) the next couple nights so he doesn't lose more weight. I have some curve-tip syringes ready in case he doesn't want to eat. I also have to keep Meeko separate from the other gliders (who all look and act healthy) for the duration of his medication, and to keep an eye on them in case they show signs of illness.

All in all, it is probably as good a trip to the vet as we could have had under the circumstances. I did note that within 20 minutes of the injection, Meeko was able to go to sleep (which he hadn't yet been able to do that morning). Hopefully, this is a good sign. Please keep sending good thoughts our way; I appreciate how concerned people have been!

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#184846 - 12/12/06 12:57 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
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I'm so glad to hear your Meeko is on the road to recovery. They're such little fighters. hug2

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#184847 - 12/12/06 12:57 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
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Loc: Norman, OK
I forgot to add---I am supposed to keep that room a little warmer the next few days, to help with the shivering. The shivering is due to the infection and the dehydration.

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#184848 - 12/12/06 12:59 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
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I'm glad he is going to be ok!

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#184851 - 12/12/06 01:04 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: ]
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sorry you are having problems but your such a good mommy for taking proper care of your baby. hope it is a super speedy recovery.

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#184856 - 12/12/06 01:11 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
I was going to say, keeping him warm right now is a priority. When they are very sick, they can have trouble regulating their body temp, even in what seems to be a warm room. Put extra blankies in his pouch or nestbox, and keep him on you when possible, so he can share your body heat (like in your shirt, a jacket, or robe). Also offer fluids every so often around the clock (it'll help clear the stuff from his lungs). Keep us updated, and I hope he starts feeling better soon.
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#184865 - 12/12/06 01:27 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: Xfilefan]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
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Thanks for the tip on the fluids! I have him in a travel cage right now, near a space heater (not too close, of course!) to keep him warm while I clean the cage he'll be going into. Then he'll be with me all day today and tomorrow.

I am a little worried because I have to go out of town for a few days, but my boyfriend (who lives with the gliders and me) is a good glider sitter and knows what to watch for. Hopefully by Thursday night, when I leave, Meeko will be out of the darkest part of the woods. If not I may have to change travel plans.

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#184870 - 12/12/06 01:36 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
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I hope Meeko feels better soon. Baytril is bitter tasting so he may not like it. Good Luck and keep us posted.
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#184879 - 12/12/06 01:46 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: BCChins]
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I'm sorry to hear about meeko, good thing you noticed right away! Our vet sends home some A/D food with some debilitated patients. Its a high protein liquid type stuff, but gliders love it. Its made by hills science diet. It seems to help them perk up pretty well too. You can also try some straight up chicken baby food, or maybe extra mealies if he likes them. Really you just want to make sure he eats, but protein help rebuild the body...

sweet potatoes sound like a great idea also, good nutrients, good palatability and easy sugars for the body to make into energy. Please let us know how he is doing. Baytril is a good antibiotic against upper respiratory problems so I am really hoping and expecting this to pull him through.


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#184880 - 12/12/06 01:46 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: BCChins]
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So glad you got Meeko in to the vet and praying for his speedy recovery…
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#184891 - 12/12/06 02:21 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: Xglider]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
I have ensure and pedialyte ready to go, plus sweet potatoes. He is still sleeping, and I am halfway done with cage cleaning. Hopefully I can get all the covers and spare pouches done before they get up!

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#185001 - 12/12/06 06:13 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
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Loc: Norman, OK
Cages are clean.

Meeko has gotten up a few times this afternoon to survey his new clean surroundings, but he still is hanging out in one area. Plus, it's not normal for him to be up during the day. He is still cold and shivery, but not so much as before.

Please keep him in your thoughts.

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#185029 - 12/12/06 07:10 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
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If Meeko is a little dehydrated you don't want to give him the ensure. His body will pull all of the moisture out of the mix leaving a clay like substance behind. It would be better to stick with the pedialite until he is hydrated & then offer the ensure
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#185092 - 12/12/06 09:03 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: glidrz5]
LSardou Offline
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Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
Loc: Kansas
I am so happy to hear that Meeko is going to be alright. I'm impressed with your quick response and got him to the vet before it was to late. Your doing a terrific job! Keep us posted on his progress. Did the vet say what was the cause of his infection?

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#185165 - 12/12/06 11:23 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: LSardou]
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When I read your first post, I was really worried with the lethargy, coldness, purple nose, etc. It sounds to me like you have a very good vet and the news you got was the best that could be hoped for: a good diagnosis with definite signs you can see, and a good antibiotic to use. I hate when I go in and all I get is "well, yeah she's sick, but we don't really know what's wrong so let's give her this medicine and hope for the best."

Fluids can really work miracles. When they're dehydrated, they feel terrible and so they won't eat or drink, so they get more dehydrated and it spirals down. Be sure to get plenty of fluids into him and if he does seem dehydrated with the skin tent test, take him in for a subQ.

I also agree keeping him warm is an important part of treatment, but it sounds like you're on top of that.

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#185215 - 12/13/06 02:31 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Thank you for the updates.

Make sure your boyfriend knows to offer lots of fluids-in addition to the pedialyte, which will help him to retain what he drinks, he can offer fruit juice, fruit nectar, and/or slightly watery gliderade in the pouch daytime as well, to encourage him to drink more. Especially with a space heater, which can lower humidity, his drinking will be important to keep fluids in him. I agree with Peepers as well...if he won't stay hydrated, a subq from the vet is the best way to go until he can get his fluid levels back up. If you don't have an issue with giving a shot under the skin, the vet can show you how to do that as well, so you can do it at home in an emergency, and send some extra syringes home with you.

Watching for updates on the little guy!

Oh-and Chris is right as well...if he's dehydrated, DON'T offer Ensure. A dehydrated glider will pull the water out faster than it can be digested, and if he vomits, the claylike substance left behind can choke him, as it won't move either up or down his throat easily. Or it can actually cause a blockage in the lower intestine. BML thinned down with a little extra apple juice is actually better in that situation.
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#185238 - 12/13/06 06:22 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: Xfilefan]
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I am so happy that you know the boys so well and were able to catch this early. I have been so busy here with a SM and also supplementing a joey that this is the first time I have been able to get online since yesterday.
Meeko sould be feeling better today, usually the antibiotics start working preaty quickly.
I am keeping you all in my prayers, please have a safe trip, and you can give your boyfriend my number too incase he has a question. Please let me know how things are going. You are a wonderful glider mom.
(((((hugs)))))
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#185345 - 12/13/06 11:32 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: ]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
I am trying to be patient, but I don't see many signs of improvement. Meeko ate all of his melon (fresh, very juicy), some yogurt, and some sweet potato baby food last night. He took one mealie from Brendan, which he ate very slowly. And he has been grooming like normal, albeit less with the claws and more with his tongue and front paws.

I want to focus on those positive things, but his breathing seems to be a little more labored today. If he crabs he clicks afterwards for a couple seconds, and he is trying to lunge at me, sometimes with only the slightest bit of touch. I'm worried that he is in pain... Meeko is not as bonded as the others, but we were done with the lunging over a year ago. Everything is drooping, ears, tail, even his eyes are partway closed.

The vet's number is busy... as soon as I can get through to him I will ask him what to do.

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#185349 - 12/13/06 11:37 AM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
He sounds very ill at this point. I wouldn't wait to get through to the vet - I'd drive him directly over there and tell them it's an emergency, that his condition has worsened...
God Bless
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#185366 - 12/13/06 12:21 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: sugarglidersuz]
SarahW Offline
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Talked to the vet. He says Baytril can take 2-3 days to really reverse an infection (he said, "especially a respiratory infection"), but to keep him posted. If Meeko isn't showing good signs of improvement in another 48 hours, we should bring him in. If it gets dramatically worse before then we should bring him in.

So until then... sigh. I just don't want Meeko to be in pain. He is such a good little glider.

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#185370 - 12/13/06 12:39 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
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You're in the best position to know how he's doing, so if you feel that he's getting worse, then bring him in right away... only you can make that call. In the meantime, I'll keep praying for him & for you. I know it's hard to watch them be in pain cry But at least he knows you love him heart
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#185371 - 12/13/06 12:39 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
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First of all, you need a few of these hug2 hug2

Now comes the hardest part: patience in letting the medicine get a good grip on Meeko...this is not an easy thing, and remember that keeping a VERY CLOSE EYE on progress is a MUST-DO thing!

It's encouraging that some appetite is present...if you can keep the liquids going, that'll be a VERY HELPFUL thing, too!

Continuing prayers of healing for you & Meeko. angel
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#185382 - 12/13/06 12:49 PM Re: Meeko is sick [Re: SarahW]
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I wonder if you could try putting in one of those warm steam humidifiers in his room. That way you keep the room warmer and humid. Hope he feels better soon.

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