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#19241 - 03/31/04 08:33 AM Briskys
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Okay guys don't "jump my case" because I just had to ask. I was looking at the post about Happy Glider food and saw Briskys mentioned. I don't feed it, I feed BML. Is the only problem with it the hardness? I talked to a very knowledgeable breeder who has been feeding it to his gliders (with fruits, veggies, and protein) for over five generations of gliders. He says he has never had any problems with it and you have to be careful about the rumors being spread on the internet. So what's the deal? Is Lumpy jaw really all that common with this food? I am asking this purely for interest's sake. Like I said, I feed BML and have no intention of switching over. Oh and can we please keep the arguing to a minimum? The last time I asked about a pelleted food, I felt like everyone was berating me when I didn't even use it. I love everyone here, but things can get a little heated sometimes. LOL!

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#19242 - 03/31/04 08:40 AM Re: Briskys [Re: ]
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I'm not sure how common lumpy jaw actually is. But you'd be surprised at the number of posts there are about Brisky's in this forum and some of the better ones are in "Best of the Board". Start with a search in the Best of the Board for "Briskys" and you'd be surprised at what you read, some of the posts are rather long and tedious to read, but have a wealth of information in them. I've never used the product nor would I, the bad things I've heard about it out number the good things considerably.

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#19243 - 03/31/04 08:58 AM Re: Briskys [Re: ]
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Thank you. Sometimes I forget about the "search" thing. I think my brain hasn't woken up yet...too early!

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#19244 - 03/31/04 09:31 AM Re: Briskys [Re: ]
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okay here is the best I can do for you and that is stating what I know regarding Briskys.

Yes there are people who has used it for many years with no problems..

Also keep in mind, that there hasn't been any problems in the last few years like there was back then. with the exception of the lumpy jaw.

lumpy jaw is most common amoung gliders that eat the hard foods, yes brisky does have a higher incidence than others (could be because more people use it than other hard foods)

a few years back.. this is not rumor but fact...

there were a lot of people that lost many gliders that were feeding briskys, this was on every board, as well as on the glider list (an email group).

some people had their food tested, other did not, but it seemed to come in spurts, it was hard to determine the batches, since many of the distributers would break them down themselves and place them in smaller containers without the lot numbers on them. when they posted on the boards, blaming Briskys for it, Briskys threatened a lawsuit.

he came onto the glider list, and defended the Briskys food, stating that it was due to storage problems. mind you the package stated to store in a cool dry place, which many of these people did,

Beverly Oaks came back and stated she stores hers in the freezer, he came back and stated that she was storing hers properly. my concern then was why doesn't his packaging state that. he never replied.

for many years there had been problems with Briskys. "Kim" had recieved a bag from him that had bugs in it, others did as well, when gliders had problems, he response was it must have been a bad batch, or that it was a storage problem or that they were feeding other things with it. he would always replace it.

someone visited Briskys and seen the setup he had, she publically stated that his machines were very old and he had several that was side by side with differnt feeds in it, the various feeds were being crossed. and that she had seen bugs all over the place crawling in and out of the feed. (supposedly this was to be expected, since there was a variety of grains being used.)

this all was accepted and made sense, since like most flours etc.. there are eggs to the bugs in the foods, which is why refrigeration or freezing is recommended, also various bacterias are killed by freezing.

aflatoxin also was a concern, since he used corn as his base. he seemed to think that if one or 2 or 3 bags was infected that all of them was, which is not the case with aflatoxin. a handful of affected corn, may affect only a few batches.

another concern we had was the euclyptus that he was using, we asked what species and what part of the plants, since certain species and certain parts of the plant are actually toxic. He stated that was a "trade secret" when he was questioned by someone close to him, he admitted he didn't know, he got it from his supplier and was unaware of the speciaes or which parts.

He also had a clearance sale on his food at the end of the year, he sent out cards to his "clients" and offered it at a cut rate, this was adamatly denied by Briskys, however Tiffany of the SugarPouch, lost 5 or more gliders from the batch she bought from him on this clearance, she still has the card he sent her advertising it. It was packaged differently that the other batches she had recieved previously. again I repeat.. she STILL has the card.

right after that Exotic Nutrition came in, when Sugarlove contacted Dick Briskys, to inform him that someone else was selling briskys under a different name he replied that he had given him permission, which she had posted publically. Then a week later, he stated he never gave anyone permission to repackage his food.

there was just far too much going on that wasn't up to par and far too many lies and cover ups at the time, no one knew what to believe. Hence the "rumors".

I am sure changes have been made at Brisky to clear up the problems that was happening at the time.

Will "I" ever trust Briskys? No.. is there still a problem with his food..
well that I can not say, as I still don't advocate it, however; many people as you stated have used it for years.

I do know that I still have lots of reservations regarding it. Just as the people of "yesterday" that was involved with this period, still has reservations.

as for feeding fruits and veggies and protein with the briskys, Dick Brisky himself will tell you not to add anything that is more than 5% treats.

My suggestion to anyone feeding Briskys is to feed it as directed, it was intended to be fed as a sole diet. according to him, it has been tested to be nutritionally balanced. by adding the other things to it, through the balance way out of whack. I have spoken with many long time owners of Briskys, they too also feed other things with their briskys.

I do not advocate the use of Briskys with the BML, nor will I ever. But then again, I do not advocate the use of any 2 diet plans at the same time.

If you do speak with Dick Brisky , you will find he is very personable, but will not go into any discussions regarding the nutritional content , nor the ingredients of his product.


Hope this has helped answer your question.
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#19245 - 03/31/04 09:59 AM Re: Briskys [Re: ]
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Thank you for all the excellent info. Bourbon!!! Don't worry, I don't plan on mixing any diet plans. My babies love the BML and I feel safe using it. I just read that other post and got curious. I also looked it up once, but only found an article on the lawsuit. It was very one-sided.

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#19246 - 03/31/04 10:31 AM Re: Briskys [Re: ]
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I will attest that I was the person who talked with Dick directly to inquire as to exactly which sp or subsp, of eucalyptus he was using in his euc's bedding, & I contacted him directly - He stated to me that it was a eucalyptus mulch - the same used in gardens as mulch

An out of state friend took pics of the insects they found living in their <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />'s cage bedding & these insects were also were found living in the actual mulch package, we still have no idea what kind of insect this was, I still have the pic's but they are somewhere in my boxes.
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#19247 - 04/01/04 03:23 PM Re: Briskys [Re: Devil_Bunny_Girl]
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Does that mean that exotic nutrition IS Briskys??? If tahts true, I didnt know it. I, too have heard of the "bugs" you speak of, I was told if you get briskys to store it in the freezer or you will find a bag full of weavels. wow.

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#19248 - 04/01/04 07:29 PM Re: Briskys [Re: ]
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here was the explaination we were given, this was in a post of yesterday.. about 4 years ago

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However, there was a Sugar Glider diet marketed by the same company that I asked the Brisky's about...they said the company had permission to repackage brisky's....HOWEVER, while the ingredients are the same as the accu-feed Brisky's sells and make....the guaranteed anyalsis is different. I informed the Brisky's of this and they looked into it. They said that it didn't appear to be their product and that since the guaranteed anaylsis was different they could not guarantee that this company was putting the right amount of things in the product since Brisky's recipe for the accu-feed is a secret...anyway, just thought i'd share since there is a possibility that this company may be marketing it elsewhere also.

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