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#204 - 01/03/03 11:31 PM A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix
Anonymous
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I have been following the most recent BML discussion, and have noted, in my own experience, as well as in reading posts throughout this board that:

1. The BML diet Plan is a well-balanced, healthy plan that has saved rescued gliders, orphaned joeys, and kept many gliders healthy and happy

and

2. The BML diet Plan seems to be modified often for a myriad of reasons (no bugs due to aflatoxicosis, a question on honey due to it being toxic to children under two, some gliders won't eat it the way it is written).

I feel that I am correct in guessing that at least a few members of this board have been modifying the BML (myself included), trying to stay within the original guidelines as close as possible. For these reasons, I decided to do some research using the USDA Nutrient Database to do a nutritional analysis of the BML. (NOT INCLUDING THE REPCAL AND HERPTIVITE SUPPLEMENT, SINCE WE WOULD NOT BE MODIFYING THAT). This is very enlightening, as I thought, "Oh, honey is just in there for sweetness, " but, it turns out that honey contributes 10 mg of Calcium to the plan.

This is my own research. I arrived at it by looking up the nutritional analysis for each ingredient on the BML diet plan and adding them together.

Here is the breakdown:

Proximates:
Water: 528.33 g
Energy: 1053.19 kcal
Protein: 37.3925 g
Fat: 21.3 g
Ash: 4.82875 g
Carbohydrates: 196.541 g
Fiber, total dietary: 4.365 g

Minerals:
Calcium: 419.99 mg [DOES NOT INCLUDE REPCAL]
Iron: 15.083 mg
Magnesium: 160.95 mg
Phosphorous: 679.38 mg
Potassium: 953.925 mg
Sodium: 187.64 mg
Zinc: 7.086 mg
Manganese: 3.982 mg
Selenium: 59.705 mcg
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid: 44.5015 mg
Thiamin: 1.1745 mg
Riboflavin: 1.269 mg
Niacin: 13.26 mg
Vitamin B6: .927 mg
Folate, total: 130.967 mcg
Vitamin B-12: 1.439 mg
Vitamin A: 422.02 IU
Vitamin E: 1.243 mg

This was for the following recipe:
1/2 c honey 1 Egg, boiled
1/4 c apple juice
2 oz plain yogurt + 2 oz mixed fruit juice
2 2.5 oz jars Gerber or Beechnut Chicken Stage 1
1/4 c wheat germ
1/2 c Baby Rice Cereal, Dry

I would like to know the calcium to phosphorous ratio after adding the RepCal to the mix, but I don't have that information handy.

Also, this could help anyone in developing a diet plan, if they chooose not to go with BML, as they can see what EXACTLY is in this part of the healthy BML diet Plan. I stress that this is only part of the diet, not to forget fruits, vegetables and insects.

<small>[ 01-05-2003, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: Glider Society ]</small>

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#205 - 01/04/03 12:26 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Hi Glider Society (aka Rescue Gramma)! Both the RepCal and Herptivite labels provide directions for the DOSAGE/mg amounts to be used so you should be able to factor the CA/P ratio into the equation without too much trouble.

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#206 - 01/04/03 12:26 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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Glider Greetings, Glider Society <img border="0" alt="wave" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" />

Just happen to have those numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> since I have also been working on the problem. Will be interesting to compare numbers and see how close we come.

2 TSP. REP-CAL = 2268 mg. Ca
1 TSP. Herptivite = 106 mg. Ca and 52 mg. P

The REP-CAL number is a good number. The Herptivite numbers may be a little rough; but, they are certainly in the ball park and good enough for what we are trying to do.

Hope this is helpful to you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

BTW, the web page listed in your profile wouldn't display for me. Don't know if it was something temporary or if you have a problem.

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#207 - 01/04/03 12:27 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Wow, I can see that you did alot of work here.

But I guess that I'm missing something here cuz how could I use this info as a whole, rather than being broken down into individual components?
ex: item=x amt of protein
" x amt of vit c
" x amt of whatever etc....

I hope that I am making myself clear

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#208 - 01/04/03 12:42 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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My website won't be up and running until Monday. I have been busy designing other websites, and mine kind of took the backburner!

I will have individual items listed with their individual amounts as well. I will also double check my numbers and factor in the supplements before I have it online. Then, you can download it from there, if you like. I figured my post would be way too long with all of the individual information up here.

If you would like, I could email it to you, nailteach.

I bought my last batch of supplements from To & Fro, so I didn't have the actual container here, so thanks for the numbers, Randy.

<small>[ 01-04-2003, 01:45 AM: Message edited by: Glider Society ]</small>

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#209 - 01/04/03 12:48 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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Glider Greetings, Glideroo <img border="0" alt="wave" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" />

It's not quite as easy as you would think.....as I found out the hard way. Started off by E-mailing REP-CAL and they would not give me the information. So I sat down and figured it out. <img border="0" alt="read" title="" src="graemlins/read.gif" />

The Herptivite amounts are all quoted in mg. per kilogram or PPM. To transform thse numbers into mg. per TSP. take a little work. Similarly, the REP-CAL only says 35%-40% calcium per container. Transforming that information into a form that we can use(mg. per TSP.) requires some thought, since not everyone is a math whiz. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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#210 - 01/04/03 12:53 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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Glider Society,
Yes, I would greatly appreciate it if you would send that info to me.
Thank you
Nailteach@msn.com

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#211 - 01/04/03 01:25 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Randy: Could you email me with details of how you calculated that 1 tsp. = 106 mg Ca. in the Herptivite since the calculation I did came out with an entirely different result & I don't know if I'm missing some important piece of the
puzzle and may be doing the calculation improperly.

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#212 - 01/04/03 02:12 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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Glider Greetings, Glideroo <img border="0" alt="wave" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" />

I'm away from the house for the weekend. Will send you the figures first part of next week. Since you got different numbers from me, I'm starting to worry that I screwed up.....wouldn't be the first time, though. <img border="0" alt="worried" title="" src="graemlins/worried2.gif" />

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#213 - 01/04/03 05:51 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
mary h Offline
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Registered: 08/06/02
Posts: 385
Loc: Wallis, Texas
This is great! I have been wanting to do exactly
the same thing but have not gotten started. I did
purchase a digital postal scale so I could get a
more accurate weight of the amounts used. Have done
a lot of research but haven't started a chart yet.
One thing to keep in mind, calcium in the food eaten is more
readily absorbed than the suppliments. REP CAL
which comes from oyster shell, from what I have
learned is only absorbed at a rate of about 10 to
20 per cent. When added to the calcium in the food
it does not have much of an impact. Maybe enough
though, keep digging. If the BML ratios are right
this should be a real lifesaver for those who use
the results properly when altering their diet.
mary h & Charlie
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#214 - 01/04/03 08:25 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Mary H is correct that calcium (as well as other minerals/vitamins) are more readily absorbed from natural food items than from vitamin/mineral supplements. This is something that should not be forgotten for anyone who wants/is attempting to develop an alternative diet for their glider(s).

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#215 - 01/04/03 09:11 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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Registered: 04/01/99
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RG, I believe that what you have listed excludes the rep-cal and herptivite, is that correct?
Randy, yes your figures are off.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> but thats okay I had one of the drs. to do my analysis..
but no need really unless you plan on building a totally new diet plan from the ground up.

somethings to keep in ind while doing the switching of ingredients, that each one, and Mary and I have spoken regarding the honey, but also the different types of energy's and the different type of fats, as well as other things.. but this will show to be very interesting..

PLEASE be careful, and until something comes up positive don't make changes immediatly, this will give others some type of guideline.

What may have been more interesting is watching the individual foods, such as what if I replaced the chicken with veal or instead of using honey using something else and still trying to keep those figures close.

I will sit back and watch this thread for a while and see what happens.
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#216 - 01/04/03 11:44 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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Registered: 08/05/99
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I just have two question. Are you taking into account the veggies and fruit? The "mixture" is only part of the diet. You need to calculate the veggies and fruit to come out with a proper ratio.

The other question is asked by my husband Dr. Bruce," what constitutes the nutritionaly balanced diet you are trying to achieve? And where is the data supporting it? If you don't know what nutrtional values you are trying achieve how are you going to get there?"
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#217 - 01/04/03 12:03 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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I'll be watching very closely for an answer to this last question, as well. Could prove to be very interesting as to whether there even is an answer <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

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#218 - 01/04/03 12:37 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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This is very interresting indeed, and i will follow this thread if it stays good.
My understanding is that by picking apart the BML and since the herptivite and rep-cal are not being calculated in that i suspect by trying to figure out the nutritional value of each component it would be possible to look for alternative itmes.

Maybe even build a new mixture or diet, that may be appealing to gliders that just happen to HATE the BML.

Tanja

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#219 - 01/04/03 12:50 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
mary h Offline
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Registered: 08/06/02
Posts: 385
Loc: Wallis, Texas
That is interesting that the bugs do not have any
nutritional value. Have been feeling a little
guilty for not feeding them. Just don't have the
stomach for it. It's hard to kiss a glider right
after it has eaten a worm. From some of the earlier
threads it was recomended that only gut loaded
worms or crickets be fed. I do think this should
be cleared up. If all the glider is useing them
for is to clean its teeth you would think it could
do a better job with a clean gut.
mary h
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#220 - 01/04/03 05:07 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Hello, everyone! I have been extremely busy today, but I will be working on getting the individual item analysis up soon, maybe tonight, if I have time.

I am mainly working on this because I have been feeling guilty about modifying the BML, trying to stay as close to Bourbon's original recipe as possible, but not knowing the nutritional make up. This way, if things need to be exchanged, then I will know what balances I need to reach.

To answer Bourbon--I didn't list every single type of lipid, etcetera, because I thought it would be too long a post, and, I didn't want to do all the work right away if I were the only one interested, but I do have the information for everything down to amino acids.

To answer Ellen--I didn't factor in fruits and vegetables, as that changes from day to day, and I believe it is up to the glider's human companion to do that on a daily basis. I did stress that I had not factored that in, but again, my post was somewhat lengthy.

I would also invite anyone who has time to double check and recheck my figures!

I will keep you all updated as I continue, so that we can all work together! Thank you for your support and interest. And, if anyone would like to help, please email me!

And, finally, is there anyone out there who knows the nutritional content of insects? If it is true that they are only for dental hygeine, then HALLELUJIA!! I really have an aversion to feeding them to my gliders, but I do because I would do anything for them.

Thanks again, everyone!

<small>[ 01-04-2003, 06:08 PM: Message edited by: Glider Society ]</small>

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#221 - 01/04/03 05:15 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Here are links to Dr. Ross's analysis of the BML diet.

BML Study 1
BML Study 2

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#222 - 01/04/03 05:26 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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The above was actually posted by Ashli's dad, Beetlejuice.

This might be a good time to let you know about a new service that GliderCENTRAL will be offering to you in the near future. You'll hear more about it in the next week or two, but here's the thumbnail sketch:

Dr. Dierenfeld has agreed to do an individualized analysis of your glider diet for a small fee, part of which will go towards the EVF and/or research fund. So if you have to modify your glider's diet, or feed a rotation diet over several days, her team can analyze what you feed.

What it will require is EXACT measurements of EXACT things you feed over several days.

This is considerable sacrifice for her, given the fees she CAN charge for this, and is done as a service to GliderCENTRAL! It will take us a few days to get things up and running for it, so stay tuned while we get this organized.

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#223 - 01/04/03 05:30 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: Anonymous]
Anonymous
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hi,

just so happens today is BML making day, and i was reading this before i went to make it. so there i was, in the kitchen, blender ready, ingredients lined up, and i happened to pick up the jar of chicken puree with broth (we don't have gerber, or beech up here in british columbia, so it's heinz, pres. choice, or pablum brand) and i see the amount in the jar, 100 ml, which equates to 3.52 oz! so, it's put in 2 jars, or put in 1 jar, or put in 1 and a bit jars and chuck the remainder. my last batch had the 2 jars, and keiran eats it, when he feels like eating.. personally i don't think he eats enough, but if i put any food on my hand, fingers, he eats it no problem... i think he just likes being hand fed.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> i'm sure, if along with the grapes he gets, i were to sway a palm branch over him he'd be delighted <img border="0" alt="roflmao" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

anyway, what i'm wondering is, will putting in the two jars of chicken be a problem??? next time should i just put in 1.5 jars?

he gets mealies, yogurt, fruit, veggies, all bran buds, along with the bml.... he nibbles at it all through the night and especially in the morning before he is going to head to sleep. he gets his mealies when i am transferring him from my bathrobe pocket to the day's travel pouch, and i feed him grape during the day to help him keep hydrated.

thanks for any advice or comments gang, oh i guess i should tell you how old he is.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> he came oop on sept 30/02

have a great rest of the weekend

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#224 - 01/04/03 05:43 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Critter Creations Offline
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Registered: 11/02/00
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OMG Lucy that is awesome. Tell Dr. Ellen that I think she is the greatest for taking time out of her hectic schedule to do this for us. I just simply can not believe that we will be this blessed. What a great start to the New Year!!!
I bet she gets 200 requests in the first two days LOL. So many diet alterations wanting to be done lately. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> This will be a great help. <img border="0" alt="dance" title="" src="graemlins/dance.gif" />
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#225 - 01/04/03 06:07 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Oh wow, this is GREAT !!!!!
Kuuuuuudoos, to Dr Dierenfieled, for donating herself to this cause, for an affordable fee. <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" />

I have to say i'm impressed.

I don't forsee myself in the future making use of this offer, but i'm glad it's there.

I sure hope that the analysis that people are asking for will be posted, for all to see.

Tanja

<small>[ 01-04-2003, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: reyoko69 ]</small>

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#226 - 01/04/03 06:15 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Ashli--thank you for the BML study links. They are extremely helpful.

Also, I, too, am pleased with this wonderful news! What a wonderful thing it is to have such generous people who care, like Dr. Dierenfeld. It does sound like the new year will be a great one for glider research and information!

Well, I'm back to work on that analysis...

<small>[ 01-04-2003, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: Glider Society ]</small>

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#227 - 01/04/03 11:27 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Very interesting thread. Forgive me for jumping in as a rookie, only having had gliders for a month now. I've read hundreds of posts in the last couple of months trying to learn nutrition, and your forum is incredibly informative and thought provoking. Ellen's post seems subtle but very key. As a doc of human babies/premies, we have been fighting the same battle, i.e., what is optimal and what are reasonable goals? Human baby formula makers pool human breast milk, analyse the contents, try to replicate it (knowing immunoglobulins and the like are missing) and add exhorbitant amounts of some minerals such as iron since the additive iron is so much less bioavailable than breast milk iron. I know I can foul up a baby's metabolism with an I V much easier than their own gut would have allowed, even fed a poor diet. The liver, bowel and kidneys have extraordinary abilities to regulate and enhance absorption for things needed, and not absorb/excrete those dietary elements that are present in the body in excess to maintain balance. That being noted, a few questions:
1) Counting # mg of some ingredients of BML without counting mg of same ingredient in insects, fruits etc. seems to me to make the whole exercise less than satisfying
2) I have two joeys sharing a great cage (Thanks Ken at K&D Exotics), who eat primarily at night. How do I know if Mario is eating all the high calcium foods while Luigi is gobbling the phosphorus load? Same issue for % protein, etc.
3) We test premies on hyperalimentation regularly for various blood levels. Has anyone ever tested wild Sugar Gliders to know the normal levels of blood chemistries, then compare BML-fed family member's blood to those measured norms from the wild?
Trial and error can be good science, and bloodwork on suggies doesn't seem very practical. It appears BML has an impressive track record. Sorry for the length. Any thoughts?

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#228 - 01/04/03 11:41 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
BeetleJuice Offline
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Registered: 12/12/01
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Loc: Summerville, SC
schlep,

Excellent post <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> , a bit above my head though. We'll have someone who should be able to offer some insight reply in the morning. Welcome to GliderCENTRAL.
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#229 - 01/04/03 11:55 PM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Welcome, schlep! We so often refer to our gliders as "babies", so you'll fit right in!

These are wonderful things to consider, and hopefully we can find more research being done on gliders in general in the future.

I can say that since the fruits and vegetables change daily, measurements have to be taken on a daily basis. I usually go to the USDA Nutrient Database to calculate my overall nutrient composition, although I still need to find out the exact composition in the insects and mealworms I use.

That being said, here is the link to the BML nutritional analysis, ingredient by ingredient and overall:

BML Nutritional Analysis: Ingredient by Ingredient

Note the change in the amount of overall Vitamin A. I had missed one last night. Also, please note that this is ONLY the mix! I didn't take into account the insects, fruits and veggies, or the RepCal and Herptivite Supplements. I just wanted to see the nutritional breakdown of the mix, in case I need to adjust it at times for my gliders to eat it.

Thanks, everyone, for all the information! <img border="0" alt="thumb" title="" src="graemlins/thumb.gif" />

<small>[ 01-05-2003, 01:01 AM: Message edited by: Glider Society ]</small>

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#230 - 01/05/03 12:11 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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To answer Ellen's (or rather, Ellen's husband's <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) thought-provoking question:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> The other question is asked by my husband Dr. Bruce," what constitutes the nutritionaly balanced diet you are trying to achieve? And where is the data supporting it? If you don't know what nutrtional values you are trying achieve how are you going to get there?"
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My objective was to understand the nutritional value of the mix, so that if I do need to exchange something in the mix, I will be aware of exactly what I am taking out, so I can make sure I am exchanging it for something of equal value.

Since I'm not sure exactly what a glider's nutritional needs are (I realize I have a long way to go in the research area!), I am just working on the assumption that the BML diet Plan (mix, plus fruits and vegetables, plus supplements, plus insects), meets most (if not all), a glider's nutritional needs.

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#231 - 01/05/03 12:44 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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Schlep, keep checking back. My husband said he will answer in the morning.
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#232 - 01/05/03 03:26 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
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Glider Greetings, All <img border="0" alt="wave" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" />

mary h: It's late and maybe i missed something. I've read this thread three times and never did see anyone say that bugs had no nutritional value. Insects do have significant nutritional value. The common ones generally are about 20% protein and anywhere from 6% to 18% fat. I don't remember the exact amounts of Ca and P; but, the ratio is bad for all bugs that we normally feed. Bourbon did say in one post that the bugs were in the BML diet primarily for tooth cleaning purposes and not for their nutritional value; but, I'm sure that she did not mean to imply that they had NO nutritional value....only that the protein necessary for glider nutrition came primarily from the other components of the BML mix. Bourbon....if I'm putting words in your mouth, tell me to put a lid on it.

mary h & Glider Society: You can find some information on the nutritional value of bugs here:

BUGS

I have been looking for other information as time permits; but, this is all that I know about right now.

To All Nutritionists (and Nutritionist wannabees like me): The chart that is returned when you use the link provided by Beetlejuice.....BML_STUDY_1.....was apparently done some time ago as it doesn't seem to provide data for all of the components in the current BML recipe. Also, I think that there must be some typos or missing information as not all of the "TOTALS" add up. BML.....STUDY_2.....may also be outdated; but, I haven't had a chance to look at carefully, yet. Ellen, graciously, offered Dr. Bruce's time to discuss the charts with me some time ago; but, I needed to do more reading and calculations so that I could discuss the situation with at least a minimal degree of intellegence. Now, I guess that we all will benefit from his insight!!

BOURBON: I've got BML tatood on my b____! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Not planning on creating a new diet. [censored], I don't fully understand this one yet. I wanted the nutritional values so that I could do a future post on BML using actual numbers to show people what you have been preaching, forever......that the BML diet can handle a great deal of variety and variability in fruits and veggies without having to sweat every last milligram of Ca and P and the associated ratios. I thought a few examples with actual numbers might help people better understand how the BML diet works. I don't think most people realize how clever you and your group of researchers were in creating a diet that would allow for such a wide range of options.

Ya'll are probably tired of reading.....well, I'm tired of typing. Good night. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

<small>[ 01-05-2003, 04:28 AM: Message edited by: RANDY ]</small>

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#233 - 01/05/03 06:37 AM Re: A Nutritional Analysis of the BML Mix [Re: ]
mary h Offline
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Registered: 08/06/02
Posts: 385
Loc: Wallis, Texas
Randy
Go back to the BML Controversy thread and look
at the posts by Glider Addict on1-4-03. Read
both of the posts on page 2. If I understand
this correctly, the insect are not added for
their nutritional value. I am sure they have
a certain value but it is not as valuable as
the tooth cleaning aspect. Glider Addict uses
an apple branch in place of a bug. Not to be
quoteing Bourbon, but read what she has to say
about the neutrional value of a bug compared to
a few kernels of corn. Our gliders, 57 at the
last count, have done quiet well on the BML for
almost 8 years without eating bugs, pinkey mice,
or day old chicks!
mary h & Charlie
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