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#20904 - 05/20/04 05:10 AM Pine "Good or Bad"

I've been told pine is good and i've told pine is bad. what is it? i used it before, now i use aspen. i need to get my fact's straight so i can give good info to people so there gliders will be happy.

please give your opinion and if you have some proof please list it also.

thank you


#20905 - 05/20/04 07:10 AM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]

Robert, usually pine is adbvised against because of the strong odor. It's irritating to their super sensitive noses. Imagine if you had their sniffers and were put in a house of pine, where you couldn't get away from it? It's also (I believe) been known to cause respiratory problems.
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#20906 - 05/20/04 08:39 AM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]
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Registered: 02/19/04
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yes, i have read, that all "soft wood", such as pine, cedar, etc, been known to cause respitory problems. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> cedar,white pine and ponderosa pine contain phenols. these compounds are acidic and potentially dangerous to small animals. they affect the lungs and liver. in the former they constantly irritate the nasal passage, thus increasing the potential for bacteria attack. in liver they place a heavy load on its blood filtering capacity. once the liver is unable to filter out phenols, it becomes far less effective. further, it appears that phenols depress the immune system, including conditions typically seen in older gliders. in short, the phenols reduce the life expetancy of animals. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />

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#20907 - 05/20/04 09:38 AM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]

I definately wouldn't use pine. Just think of how strong the smell is for us and then times that by 10 or more. I would feel sorry for any glider who was kept in pine. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

#20908 - 05/20/04 02:50 PM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]

well this post was not for me but everybody to see. i understand the 10 times worse part. it would be like cleaning your house with pine sol every day. maybe we can come up with a list of good alternative litters.

well thank you for your help.


#20909 - 05/20/04 10:20 PM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]
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Puppy Pads,paper towels,newspaper, aspen shavings, sheets, there have already been so many choices of litter on other threads...just do a search, there are LOTS out there! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />
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#20910 - 05/21/04 12:45 AM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]

Carefresh is a good alternative litter. It is made out of recycled newspapers w/the ink pressed out, so it is non-toxic. You can find it at your local pet store in the small animal/bedding aisle.

(pine is fine for other animals, but I wouldn't recommend it for gliders because of their sensitive noses... cedar causes upper respiratory infections)

#20911 - 05/22/04 06:47 AM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]

I actually use steam rolled oats.. you can get a 50 lb bag for about $13.

#20912 - 05/27/04 10:08 PM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]

Dukefan, its not ok for SMALLER animals, not sure of the effects on dogs and cats. But I know for smaller animals, hamsters, gliders, rabbits, guinea pigs, etc etc its NOT GOOD for, so keep that in mind everyone! just cuz its cheaper doesnt mean its better or healthier! Personally I use newspaper(in a tray, they cant reach it) for my gliders and carefresh for my rabbits litter boxes. Personally I think carefresh is probably one of the best beddings out there, I've tried feline Pine and corn cob, and other types of litter that reminds me of cat litter but isnt...and its just not as absorbant as the carefresh bedding. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

#20913 - 05/28/04 11:13 AM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]

HERE is an article I compiled for SGRC about cage litter/bedding. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

#20914 - 06/01/04 09:58 AM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]

Thank you Courtney. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

#20915 - 06/01/04 10:04 AM Re: Pine "Good or Bad" [Re: ]
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Personally, I use Aspen. It is very absorbant and does not mold. None toxic as well.
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