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#2107 - 02/16/01 11:33 PM How could I be so stupid?
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I can't believe what just happened. I'm still in shock.<BR>I've been so incredibly careful with Godfrey. He was a pocket joey, about 15 weeks OOP, and so tame that he would stay with people he hadn't even met. He was healthy, playful and so loving. I put him in his cage whenever he wasn't on my person, and have every conceivable toy and the best BML and stuff for him. So how could I do what I just did?<BR> A little while ago, I needed to go to the bathroom, and had him cupped in my hand, where he was happily staying put. I did this because I wanted to avoid what ended up happening. If only I'd left him in his pouch instead of carrying him on me. <BR> I got up from the toilet, flushed, then put him on my shirt while I tucked in my shirt. While the toilet was flushing, he lost his grip, and was flushed. I tried to grab him, and did everything I could to dismantle the toilet, but he's gone. <BR> The worst part of this is that he totally trusted me. Totally. And I loved him more than I can imagine loving an animal -- or, to be honest, a person. I was scheduled to pick up his mate this weekend. I feel like I shouldn't subject another glider to me. <BR> WARNING: Not only make sure your toilet seat is down all the time, but don't ever let your glider anywhere near a flushing toilet, even when he's securely attached to you. How stupid could I be? I'm sure that while he was drowning, he was thinking, "What's happening? Why aren't you rescuing me?"<BR> <BR>How could I kill my glider like that?<BR> <BR>Lucy

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#2108 - 02/16/01 11:41 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: Anonymous]
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Oh Lucy, I'm so sorry to hear what happened. I know you feel horrible. I felt pretty horrible myself when my first glider I had gotten was killed by a ferret I had. I love ferrets I think they are really great pets, but I knew that I shouldn't have gotten one with my glider. I was just so confident that nothing would happen. I am so sorry to hear what happened.

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#2109 - 02/16/01 04:06 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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I am so sorry Lucy. <BR>Thank you for posting your story. <BR>I take my gliders to the bathroom with me all the time, but I will never do it again. <BR>Please don't be so hard on yourself. It was an accident.

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#2110 - 02/16/01 06:00 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: hiya1]
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Im so so very sorry. Dont blame yourself and be so hard on yourself,it was an accident. You didnt mean for that to happen. Im so sorry. Thank you for posting this (i know it was very hard)warning for us all. Take care.<P>------------------<BR>God Bless us all big and small....<BR>bmxgirl(overprotective mother) & Mya™(the"baby",innocent and knowing)<BR>http://www.dreamwater.org/mya/page1.html
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#2111 - 02/16/01 08:36 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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I am so sorry for your loss []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/sad.gif[/] and I'm sure your glider loved you very much. There are so many gliders out there being mis treated and neglicted please don't let a total accident, stop you from being a loving mom to another one. <p>[This message has been edited by Pixygirl (edited 02-16-2001).]

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#2112 - 02/17/01 12:37 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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I know we have talked via email, but I just wanted to say again how sorry I am for your loss. When my glider died, someone sent me this wonderful poem. It had rainbow in the name. Does anyone know the link? I think it could really help. Please call me if you ever want to get together and talk.<P>By the way, someone sent a rather mean email to Lucy. This board is supposed to be a support group, not a place to be cruel to one another. It is very hard emotionally to post a real story, and we should not make it even harder by yelling at those that do. These stories are here so that we may all learn from them. How many gliders' lives have been saved because of these stories, and how many might be lost if people are afraid to post? <P>Brittney

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#2113 - 02/17/01 07:38 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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<A HREF="http://rainbowsbridge.com/poem.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://rainbowsbridge.com/poem.htm</A>

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#2114 - 02/17/01 01:51 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Lucy, I am so sorry to hear about your loss, but I agree, with Pixie's reply, don't let what happened keep any other future gliders away from such a good mom....There's alot out there that need a loving home, and a caring Mom~<BR> []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/heart.gif[/] Stephanie<BR> []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/]Tobi<BR> []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/]Timone

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#2115 - 02/17/01 03:25 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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I feel like I need to cry, it's so sad.....don't call yourself stupid, you were loving that 'lil glider as much as possible I'm sure. I know from other incidents that a sugarglider living a very happy short life, is a million times better then one being kept inproperly and hated like at a pet store I've been to.....that 'lil glider is as happy as can be in glider heaven...

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#2116 - 02/22/01 07:27 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Lucy,<BR> I am so sorry for your loss. I know what an impact these lovely little creatures have on our lives. Please don't be to hard on yourself, accidents do happen. Maybe it was ment for this little one to touch your life for a short while. They say everything happens for a reason, but it seems so scensless to lose such a precious little creature. Just always remember, you are not to blame. Maybe some good will come from your tragety, you never know, your experiance could save the life of another glider.<P>Again, I am so sorry,<P>Mare<BR> &<BR>Setheme []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/]<p>[This message has been edited by Setheme's Mom (edited 02-22-2001).]

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#2117 - 02/22/01 07:34 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: minkasmom]
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Lucy, I'm so sorry for your loss. What a horrible thing for you to try to deal with. I have taken my gliders into the bathroom before, but never again. My thoughts are with you.

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#2118 - 03/01/01 09:06 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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I just want to thank everyone for their kind replies. It has been a tough couple of weeks, though time seems to ease the pain of a loss somewhat. I read these stories regularly, because I want to learn from others' experiences. I've been gratified somewhat to know that others have changed their "bathroom" habits from my loss of Godfrey. Thanks to those who responded, and to powers that be to make this possible.

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#2119 - 03/03/01 07:51 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: Anonymous]
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It sounds to me like you were a very very good mother to your glider. I think you shouldn't let this tragedy keep you from getting another glider. I only hope I will be as loving to my glider when I get one as you were to yours. I'm very sorry.

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#2120 - 03/04/01 05:23 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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I don't usually post or read the Real Stories as I too have lost my beloved in the beginning of November and it still hurts. He died due to a seizure and I felt that I could have done something to prevent it but with much support from glider people friends was told not to blame myself. Just as I will tell you, Don't fault yourself! The poor little guy lost his grip and if someone you know slipped or fell and died from it, you can't blame yourself if it was your rug they slipped from but can only try to keep from having that rug from being able to slide or something so it can't happen again and be aware of the hazard. It teaches us to now be aware of the danger in Godfrey's case of the bathroom. I have in the past, dozens of times taken a glider into the bathroom with me but now I won't anymore! <P>This is hard for me to make myself read about another's glider dying as it makes me cry from missing my Arrow and trying to not feel guilty. I AM SO SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AS I TOO KNOW HOW IT FEELS!! []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/sad.gif[/] Do what a good friend told me to do and it really does help. When you think on him, remember the good times and smile and don't make yourself miserable on what had happened to take him away. When you feel sad, remember you are missing him because he made you happy and you him and remember the good times again! []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif[/] Hopes this helps you to deal with this sad time of your life but think of him and smile for all the love the two of you had for each other. And right now he had crossed over that rainbow bridge and is right now playing with his new friend, my Arrow. []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif[/]--------Hang in there!!!<P>Love, Tessa []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/heart.gif[/]

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#2121 - 03/07/01 08:05 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Tessa you are such a sweetheart!! No one could have said it better. []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif[/]<P>Lucy, your story really touched me, mostly I think because it's so tragic, and also because it hit so close to home. I always took my boys with me to the potty. I promise, in Godfrey's memory, I never will again.<P>It's been almost a month. I hope you have forgiven yourself. In times like these you doubt yourself. You know in your heart you are a wonderful, caring person. I hope that we were able to help you see that. It would be tragic if you never owned another glider! It matters not how long you are on this earth, but how you loved and were loved while you were here!!<P>Take care,<BR>JenniferP []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif[/]<BR>Fizzgig []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/]<BR>Gelfling []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/]<P>

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#2122 - 03/08/01 08:31 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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I continue to be amazed at the care I have received from all of you -- no one but other glider owners could understand how much this hurt! I am doing better, and did go on and get the female glider. It has been an adjustment, as she is fussy and crabby and bonding is taking its sweet time. But it has been wonderful to be able to love a glider again. Thank you again. I hope I'll be able to meet many of you who have helped me in this loss this summer when you STAY in Kentucky (I would capitalize on state rivalry and note that there's a reason housing is in Kentucky and not Tennessee, but Bourbon and others might not like that []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif[/]). Anyway. Thanks again. I'm so gratified that others who carry gliders with them to the bathroom have changed this practice. I want that sweet glider's life to have meant something. []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif[/] <P>Again, thanks to all.<P>Lucy []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/]

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#2123 - 08/05/01 11:31 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: Anonymous]
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I know is been a while, but i just read your post. Its a mistake anyone of us could have made. I take Penelope in the potty with me all the time, but not anymore. Now im paranoid and check the toilet like 5 time before flushing, even when i know shes in her cage!! You have made us all aware of a very real danger and Im 100% sure youve saved quite a few glider lives. []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/heart.gif[/]

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#2124 - 08/20/01 01:42 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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yes thank you for your post, I hate bathrooms, but only real stories about the true Dangers in a bathroom will actually make a point to keep our gliders out of bathrooms,<P>I can totally understand, I lost a pet on my behalf, but it was really my falt!! and for me it was something that even years and years passing, 5 years now I never -ever felt any better, sometimes I feel even worse with time.<BR>I'm so sorry, I hope that Tessas idea really works for you, and PLEASE remenber what everyone is posting for you. because beating your self up on it only hurts, and if you keep doing it like me, it only gets harder and harder.

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#2125 - 08/20/01 06:53 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Thanks. It's been 6 months since this happened, and I still think about it every day -- the toilet is the only one at my workplace. It gets easier with time, but I doubt that I'll ever forget. The main comfort I get is when people tell me they won't take their gliders into the bathroom any time the seat is up or there's the potential for this happening again.

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#2126 - 08/20/01 10:46 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: Anonymous]
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Lucy,<BR>I just wanted you to know that, I have taken Zia to the bathroom with me the same way a few times but ever since I read your story I don't take her in the bathroom at all andI keep the seat down at all times. I can't imagine what I would do without her. <BR>

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#2127 - 08/31/01 10:57 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Dear Lucy,<BR>I feel for yourloss,I know this will stay with you for a very long time. What you experienced is what is referred to as a hard fact of life. with everything, we all live and learn. Sometimes it is a hard thing. Accidents happen and unfortunately, there is not much we can do to reverse our actions except perhaps not to repeat them. You shared your painful experience and that might very well save someone ealses baby.<BR>It is good you shared your story, I wish you peace of heart. A friend. []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/heart.gif[/]<BR>

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#2128 - 09/02/01 10:20 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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<P> you know what you could have doneor maybe still can???There is a trap in your basement im guessisng if you live in a house anyway. Or even if you live in a amartment. In the basement there is a pole that has all of the waste that couldnt flush all the way dow due to size and not being able to go through the scree

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#2129 - 09/28/01 09:47 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Letton, <P>I am so sorry for your loss, and I hope that you don't continue to blame yourself. It is obvious how you loved your baby, and sadly accidents do happen. <BR>I also want to thank you, you've given me hope that one can eventually go on living after the loss of their baby. I just lost mine yesterday, and I feel a pain and a sadness that I could never explain.<BR>My prayers and thoughts are with you.

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#2130 - 09/30/01 10:51 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Tyler & Dna, thanks for your support. This happened in February, and we checked as thoroughly as possible through the plumbing system. Unfortunately, there was no reverse system, and no outlet whereby he could have escaped. I never go into that bathroom (the only one at work) without wondering "now, could he have survived?" But he really couldn't have. Thanks so much. And Dna, I'm so sorry for your loss. <P>------------------<BR>Lucy

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#2131 - 12/07/01 09:52 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: Anonymous]
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I know this happened a while ago, but I really wanted to say "I'm sorry", so, I'm sorry []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/sad.gif[/]<P>------------------<BR>Happy Holidays from Alex,<BR>Porsche, Lily, Kiwi, Rosey<BR>and me :)<BR>Alex (a.k.a. Junk Food Boy)<BR>Zeus (a.k.a. Lick Frog) <BR>Rest in peace my little <BR>friend.

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#2132 - 12/07/01 10:27 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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OOOOHHHHHHH Lucy. My heart goes out to you. I am glad you are talking about this, it helps with the healing process of loss. This happened in February and you are just talking about it now--you must have been deeply affected by this. But talking about it helps in the healing process. Bad things do happen to good people. This is one of those times. It is not your fault and accidents do happen. You also learned a valuable lesson and have helped others through your loss. I am sure many people do the same thing you did. Undoubtedly, you have saved someone their glider by posting this. Why are the good ones always taken from us. I think God needs a few good gliders in Pet Heaven. Obviously, your glider was needed. I really feel for you. It must have been a horrific experience and I feel your pain. <BR> John (Rocky & Adrienne)

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#2133 - 12/07/01 10:48 AM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Thanks, John and 2 Boys Mom. I did post this in February right after it happened. I appreciate it being brought to the top, though, as it could happen to other people and would love for people to learn from this. Thanks for your sympathy.

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#2134 - 12/07/01 02:39 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: Anonymous]
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I have read so so many of these stories, that I try to always be careful that the toilet seat is down. But as I keep reading them it just keeps reminding me to always check. My hubby sometimes forgets to put it down. I think the best thing to do is as soon as they come out to play, or even before, just slam that door CLOSE from the bathroom right after you put the toilet seat down. You never know, one day they might just learn to turn the handle, []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/smile.gif[/] One night I went to sleep and told my hubby to watch Flaps []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/] of course, he didn't pay attention for a few minutes,..less then a few minutes and she fell in the toilet and was drowning. Luckyly he heard blup, blup and he ran to the bathroom and there was flaps trying to swim. He got there in time. We where just lucky!!!! I'm really really sorry of the lost of your baby, I would feel really bad myself, but like everyone else says, don't let this stop you from giving love []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/heart.gif[/] to another sugar baby (that's what they are sweetie pies)and you sure can give them your love.<BR>Liz & her critters, (Flaps []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/] []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/heart.gif[/]Gizmo []http://www.sugarglider.net/ubb/images/icons/blush.gif[/])<BR>

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#2135 - 12/07/01 07:15 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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Lucy ... I see this an old thread recently brought up again. My heart is out to you. What people need to understand is that no matter how experienced one is, or how bonded the sugar glider is, tragedy can happen in a flash. It is brave of you to share such a heart rending story. <P>Please all on this board ... never think you are sooooo bonded that your glider won't get into trouble. It can happen, quickly, anytime and any place. I am myself guilty of feeling too close to my glider, but got lucky. I played with him everywhere and anywhere at anytime. One night about 10 PM as I was waving goodbye to friends leaving, my Arnold decided to hit the ground running and go straight up a tree. He never went below my knees before in his whole life, and I swear I didn't know he could run so fast. I just stared and cried and couldn't move. Fortunately I had sane friends and neighbors nearby tht got an extension ladder and found a very scared Arnold about an hour later very high up in the tree. Arnold is kept on a much shorter leash now (figuratively speaking).<P>Does anyone know if the group has been queried on the biggest dangers to gliders? I read lots of stuff on nutrition, which is certainly a major factor in glider health, and definetly the most important factor we can control. I suspect that our human environment poses a great deal of risk as well. There is much we can educate ourselves in about avoiding illness, but how do we avoid injury and worse from normal everyday factors?<P>------------------<BR>A Girl & Her Squirrels <A HREF="http://www.sugar-gliders.com" TARGET=_blank>www.sugar-gliders.com</A>
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#2136 - 02/16/02 02:49 PM Re: How could I be so stupid? [Re: ]
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It was a year ago today that I lost my beloved Godfrey, so I thought that in his memory I would bring this to the top. Not a day goes by nor a toilet flush that I don't remember him. <p>RIP, my friend.

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