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#21469 - 06/03/04 10:42 PM Help to those who have biters
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If you look down at the names of my gliders, you will notice that one of them was a biter (nibler). She was the first glider of the 3 that i had, that bit anybody even once. But once she sank her teth into me, she did it a lot. What worked LIKE A CHARM was a combination of blwing and bribing (I know its an alliteration). Basically what I would do is feed her things she loved EVERY day, without trying to handle her. This included meal worms, wax worms, and almonds and peanuts (go easy on the nuts, they are pretty fatty). If she would bite me, I would blow on her a little to make her stop. She has stoped biting COMPLETLY after about 3-4 days. Then, once they dont bite much anymore, then start making them work for the food (come out farther and farther, and spend time on you). Soon enough you will be able to just take the bonding pouch around, and have a grand old time with your cranky sugarbutt <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />. This might be a slower way of doing it, but in the end you solve the problem of biting very quickly and can then proceed to easily bond with your new baby.

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#21470 - 06/03/04 11:49 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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Thanks I will try that with Stitch.. I been working with him and making some progess but Ill try some of your ideas. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />

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#21471 - 06/03/04 11:55 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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We don't recommend blowing in their faces as it actually scares them and makes them mad. It's been found that any kind of negative discipline with gliders usually backfires on you. While I can't tell you how to handle your gliders, there are several other ways to handle biters. I have several myself.
Usually, they learn very quickly with a firm loud NO, when they go to bite, and with licky treats. If it goes beyond that, then, there are other methods as well.
Good luck whatever you choose to do, if you need more help, please let us know!
Chey <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

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#21472 - 06/04/04 12:13 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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have you tried "hissing" at her (the way sgs do when they don't like something,) then distracting her?

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#21473 - 06/04/04 01:10 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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i've also found the a firm "NO!" to be effective in this regard. not loud, but with force. they dont like it.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> so it works without really bumming them out

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#21474 - 06/04/04 09:17 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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In my defense, I should state that when I say "blow" I mean very gently. The reasons I do so comes from years of animal training. Sugar Gliders are not like dogs. They do not have the same predisposition to be human friendly. Therefore, one wants to avoid the possibility of associating bad things with ones voice as much as humanly possible. One short gentle breath is not any "worse" than a sharp no, which startles a glider, but it does not associate your voice with punishment. The glider on the other hand should hear your voice while he/she is eating, and while being played with. That way the little angel is familiar with your voice only in good situations. I would use the firm no as a deterrent only after you have already bonded firmly and it is no longer in the danger of hurting the way you two get along.

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#21475 - 06/04/04 11:44 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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there is actually a sound the parents make to tell their joeys no, it is a quick "cheit cheit"

you probaly would have found the same results, by offering just the licky treats alone, and as you said, giving them time to come to you.

one of the biggest mistakes people make with the licky treats is when they allow the glider to lick it all off. if one thinks of their finger as a tree branch and the lickys as the sap. then allowing them to only take a few licks, then redipping to replenish the licky treats,

In the wild they lick the sap, then bite the branch to get more sap.

Never ever use negitive reinforcement to teach your glider to trust you, the blowing in the face is something they do not like, but also keep in mind, that if your glider is close to your face when you speak, the air may also be offensive to them, bringing back the memories of the blowing.

And who needs a glider with issues???

many times when we work with the rescues, that have had the negitive treaments the smallest thing can be a trigger, and many times we have no knoweldge of what that glider had done to it, that it didn't like.

here is a quick page of Baybe and I, and yes she too was a biter, a blood drawer at that.


Bourbon and Baybe
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Baybe,My Roots

SGGA

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#21476 - 06/05/04 10:22 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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I have to say that I agree with Bourbon on this one. I don't believe that any animal should be given a negative response to an action during training. No response to a negative and posititve response to a good action would be the way to go, especially with gliders. Even lightly blowing in their face would be something they don't like. I have heard my glider mommies yell at their kids by making the psssssssssssst noise so that works as well. This is a more natural way of telling them no and not scary to them. It jut makes them stop and look around for mom. There are plenty of bonding methods out there that work so there is really no reason to use negative reinforcement. I think you would have had the same response with just the licky treats like Bourbon mentioned. Of course we aren't the owner of your glider and this is just our opinion and you are very entitled to yours as well. Everyone has their own ideas about how to train their animals and that is ok. I just didn't want to see a bunch of people start blowing in their gliders faces in not so gentle fashion and have the glider react in a negative manner as I have seen that happen. I have seen someone blow in a gliders face for biting and the glider just bit down all the harder so this doesn't always work for the better. Each glider is different in how they will react. I am so happy that you and your glider are getting closer together. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Your obviously doing a great job of bonding with your glider.
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Danielle
owned by 4 dogs and 2 gliders really soon
Formerly known as K & D Exotics


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#21477 - 10/08/04 04:22 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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I have to admit that I have only had my gliders for a couple of months, but I use the blowing method also. Not a harsh blow, but a gentle one followed by a firm no. It got to the point where all I had to say was no. Now they hardly bite. The reasoning behind this is that if you dont like the biting, and they don't like the blow, they learn quickly that biting is a no no. I combined the blow with saying no so that they would understand what no means. So now if I have to say no, they stop with no problem. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that is mine. I don't think blowing gently, (not in the face),is harmefull as long as you don't take it to an extreme. Kids don't like to be spanked, but there are people that use it as a disaplin, and their kids turn out just fine. It is all in how you do it.

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#21478 - 10/08/04 06:03 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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Spanking is stupid.
I look down on those who use PHYSICAL FORCE with their kids. How can you tell your kid not to hit and then go spank them? Are you teaching them that it's ok to hit certain areas? How brutal....
Be civil. Use your words and your mind.
And dont blow on your sugar gliders hard.

Another though, which I know to be well know in the parrot world, is to off-set their balance. When a parrot bites I learned, from very educated trainers, to shake the arm that they are standing on. Just enough to distract them from what they are biting, and think about their balance. This made it so that the punishment didnt seem like it was coming so much from you.
Donno if gliders are the same though.

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#21479 - 10/10/04 04:23 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: sweetheart26]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"] please. let's not compare blowing to spanking, ok? i do not think that is an accurate analogy.[/] <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />

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#21480 - 10/10/04 08:25 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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Using a very firm no works really well with Keira she was a biter and would chew on me in pretty much any place she could find. But she was so funny when I would tell her no she would immediately start licking my finger and just look at me like, "What Mom I was just giving you a kiss." Sneeky little booger <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" /> But all in all saying no firmly really worked well for her <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" />

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#21481 - 10/11/04 01:54 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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Sorry for the cofusion on the blowing to spanking issue! I was not suggesting peple spank their kids. All I was trying to say is that everyone has their own way of doing things. JUST BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE SAME WAY YOU DO THINGS, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S WRONG. Can you cmprehend that? I do blow on my gliders, not hard nor in the face. I follow with a firm No. Now They understand What no means. Now I rarely have to blow on them. IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH BLOWING THEN DON'T DO IT. BUT DON'T BASH OTHERS WHO HAVE FOUND SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR THEM.

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#21482 - 10/11/04 02:21 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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[:"magenta"]this is why i said, let's not use that analogy. blowing is an act which the glider does not like. spanking causes physical pain. i do not think one can compare the two. it is like comparing apples and chicken nuggets.

now can we all just be friends, and get back to the original topic please? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/needhug.gif" alt="" /> [/]

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#21483 - 10/11/04 06:55 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
We get in lots of biters.most are just not used to fingers, or hands. I use the sound Bourban spoke of OR if the glider is not responsive to that, just a strong, firm, "NO". I use lots of licky treats and bribery and have wonderful results with even the worst pit bull biter. We keep it positive and the gliders trust us much faster.
Angie

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#21484 - 10/11/04 07:27 AM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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I wouldn't know, I'm still glider less lol. But I think they must be really smart to stop after the no command. Maybe I never reliazed how smart they were. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#21485 - 10/12/04 02:41 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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I have the problem that Belle will always bite me when I place my hand anywhere near her! I swear she likes to always do one of three things. Eat, sneak out of her cage, and bite me! Maybe its because she's hungry?? She seems to mostly do it when I am getting ready to feed her and am placing food in her cage.

On a little note - I agree with sugarGsitter - parents don't try to tell other parents how to raise their kids, so why should we treat glider parents any differently. I know we all want the best for the gliders, just as people do with children.

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#21486 - 10/19/04 04:36 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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Charlesex,
I was not trying to start a debate! sometimes people take things the wrong way due to the fact that that when you type something , It may come off differently than what you actulally ment. You can't actulally hear the tone in which people say things on line! I know that blowing is not painfull to the gliders! I think on this subject, we should agree to disagree!

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#21487 - 10/19/04 04:39 PM Re: Help to those who have biters [Re: ]
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Oh, I forgot how to post hugs! (((((charlesex))))) There we go! That should do the trick! I still don't know how to add the little emotion pics! That comes from being technology deprived! Love you all!

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