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#22549 - 06/16/04 09:38 AM Urinating on self?
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We just got 2 female gliders about 3 months ago. They have been fine until lately- the one glider seems to be urinating on herself, which causes her belly to become yellow and her tail to constantly be wet and matted. I clean her with dry shampoo each time it happens, but she keeps doing it. Is this normal?

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#22550 - 06/16/04 09:48 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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This does not sound like normal behavior to me. Is she hissing at all when she is going? I would suggest a trip to the vet to have some tests ran. Have them check for a possible UTI. That is the first thing that came to my mind after reading your post.
I may be wrong and if so, someone correct me. I'm sure others will be along shortly with their opinions and comments.
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#22551 - 06/16/04 12:51 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"]yes, i also think a vet check is in order. if it is a uti, she should be treated asap. [/]

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#22552 - 06/16/04 01:15 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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I would also get her into the vet for some tests. They should run a stool and urine sample at the very least. She really could have a UTI or she is so sick that she feels too weak to come out and go to the bathroom where she normally would go. Please keep us updated on what is happening. she will be in my thoughts and prayers. You want to get this treated as UTI's can lead to things such as self mutilation which can kill them. Please make sure to get herlooked at and treated for what is wrong.
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#22553 - 06/16/04 01:31 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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No, she's not hissing or acting odd in any other way. She is still eating plenty and is up playing all night like usual. We did get new pouches recently. Maybe she's trying to get the "new" smell out of them?

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#22554 - 06/16/04 02:21 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"]it could be that she is just marking the new pouch. but i would take her to a vet, just to be on the safe side. i would not want to take any chances with something as deadly as self-mutilation. but it's up to you. [/]

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#22555 - 06/16/04 06:08 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Gliders don't urinate on thier pouches in order to mark them, especially females. This is not a tyical behavior at all. When a glider just starts to do this out of the blue they are trying to tell you something. Gliders don't usually show us many signs that they are ill so if they do give us a sign we really need to listen. So please check with your vet to make sure they are ok. I would tell you if this was a normal behavior for a glider. Even if he tells you she is healthy than you at least have peace of mind. Maybe I am wrong, but I have only had one glider urinate in his pouch and he was ill as he had giardia. Has anyone else ever had a glider urinate in thier pouch consistently if they weren't ill?
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#22556 - 06/16/04 07:31 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Last winter...one of my females became wet under her tail...looked much like a hampster with wet tail. Took her and her mate to the Emerg clinic. The problem....Giardia.

Seems I had purchased a male three months prior who I had treated for Giardia within days of his arrival. After two months of being in isolation.... I put him with a healthy female in my glider room which was a Big Mistake. Within a month of moving out to the glider room the male was ill again and so was the healthy female I introduced him to. None the less.... I had to treat everyone in my glider room due to possible contamination. Not fun when one owns thirty gliders and babies.

So, my suggestion is to get your glider to the vet ASAP.


Edited by Judie (06/16/04 07:33 PM)
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#22557 - 06/16/04 10:24 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
How old is she? I have seen this only a few times with a young joey when they first started going on their own. The only other time was with my first glider who was ill with C-difff. I head everyone's advice and get a vet visit ASAP. Keep us updated please.
Judie, I can only imagine how fun it was. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" /> More reminders of how a serious illness can affect all our gliders.

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#22558 - 06/17/04 08:22 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Well, we have an appt at 1:15, so we'll see what the vet has to say! Thanks for all the responses. I'm glad I came here, I just thought this was some silly thing they did, I had no idea it could be serious!

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#22559 - 06/17/04 01:38 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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OK, well the vet appt didn't help much. He said that 'maybe' she's stressed out and is over-grooming herself. He said it didn't appear to be from urine at all, but from her licking at her tail. In fact, she licked it the whole time we were there. I've seen her lick at her tail, but I assumed she was trying to clean the urine off herself. But, he gave me antibiotics to give her 'just in case'.

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#22560 - 06/17/04 02:47 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Did he take a stool or urine sample? If he didn't he most certainly should have. This could be a UTI or giardia or about 100 different other things. If these anitbiotics do not clean anything up in the next couple days I would take her back in and make him take the necessary tests to see if anything is going on.
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#22561 - 06/18/04 10:14 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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No, he didn't take any samples (although it wouldn't have been difficult considering she did #1 & #2 on his arm as soon as he picked her up). And we're leaving on vacation tonight too. I hope the antibiotics work. If not, maybe I can find a vet down in FL that actually knows sugar gliders, unlike the vet yesterday.

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#22562 - 06/18/04 11:16 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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I would say that if the antibiotics don't seem to clear anything up in the next couple days I would take her to a different vet and request those test to be done so you can make sure to get the proper antibiotic that will help her. So sorry you are going through this and then having to deal with a vet that doesn't know much about sugar gliders. He should have been prepared to get that urine sample right when he picked her up/ He could of at least done the stool sample since he had that there to do it with. Some vets just don't have clue one as to what they should do. I really hope those antibiotics help her and she doesn't have to go back but watch her very closely to make sure they are helping.
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#22563 - 06/18/04 02:52 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
There is a Sticky.... post with a Yellow Tack at the top of this forum titled [:"blue"]"Wellness Exam and Glider in a Crisis Emerg Care" [/]. Please read and then print it off and take with you should you have to go to another vet.

And if your glider is not showing improviment in a few days...then I would seek vet care again....requesting a fecal float as well as a UA for proper treatment.


Edited by Judie (06/18/04 02:57 PM)
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#22564 - 06/18/04 07:11 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"]i agree with k&d. if the meds do not help, see another vet asap. keep us posted if you can. i will keep your little one in my thoughts. [/]

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#22565 - 06/20/04 09:29 PM Re: Urinating on self? Update [Re: ]
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Well, I'm glad to report that after a few days on the antibiotics, her tail is almost completely better! They did fine on our trip and we're now having a great vacation. Thanks for all the help through this!

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#22566 - 06/20/04 10:12 PM Re: Urinating on self? Update [Re: ]
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judie i just wanted to know if your glider that had Giardia was under the clear after a stool sample..and then he all of a sudden had it again? just wondering cause i had a similiar problem where i got a male and his brother and they both had wet tails and they where treated with parasites then i went back to check thier stool and they where clear, but is it possible for my male to carry this and still test negative for tests? thanks

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#22567 - 06/20/04 10:23 PM Re: Urinating on self? Update [Re: ]
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Wettness does not always mean it is Giardia. And yes, Giardia can be difficult to find. The glider I mentioned earlier.... he arrived ill with mushy stools...it took about two weeks and five trips to the vet....befor we found it. And when the vet did the fecal float it came back neg. About 15 min later....the glider had another really mushy stool and I asked the vet to please check again. And guess what...Giardia was found. The bug does not come out in every movement unless the glider is chalked full and at certain stages to where it is floating like in the stool.

What is the name of the med your vet put your glider on?
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#22568 - 06/20/04 10:46 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Registered: 02/14/01
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Loc: Lexington, KY
I've had two gliders with giardia. The first one was very sick, but was not diagnosed for several weeks. It took three vet visits before the diagnosis was finally made (by K&D's vet!), even though all the vets involved were very knowledgeable. The mushy, greenish, and later, clay-colored stools were typical, lethargy, lack of appetite, and dehydration were the symptoms.

I really don't trust a negative result for giardia the first time, if I have any symptoms that don't add up. Part of it is, as I understand it, the organisms are hard to see, and secondly, it takes them awhile to be visible and active.

My second glider with giardia was diagnosed on a wellness trip to the vet. He had no symptoms whatsoever. This one was actually more stubborn, and took two trials of antibiotics to cure. I still have him checked every few months, but the recovery seems to have been complete, and he never showed any symptoms at all. I'm convinced that's because it was diagnosed in a wellness visit, rather than waiting till he got really ill.
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#22569 - 06/21/04 12:58 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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That's why we do stool samples every 6-8 weeks on our guys to make sure they are ok. I am terrified that they will get something like this and me not know it. This way we hopeully catch it early if it happens. So far we have not had a problem, but one can never tell. My vet says that even if there is the slightest concern that giardia is present and he can't find it he treats for it anyway just to make sure. That's how hard it can be to find. We did this with one rescue at one time and even though his stool floats came back normal he still had loose stools and it seemed like he had giardia according to the vet so he treated him and after treatment his stools were fine and he remained healthy as a horse. We had ruled out everything else before treatment though. You dont just want to treat for something like this all the time or it won't work when you need it to. I did this under my vets directions.
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#22570 - 06/21/04 08:40 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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well i had 2 that had a parasite it was called something else, something common with reptiles i will have to look up the name..but they put them on metronidizole but i had to go back 3 times to see if they didnt have again and also he didnt give me enough meds for them..he only gave me a prescription for 1 glider...i think i may have found another vet though that speciallizes in exotics and knows more about gliders and hopefully isnt in it just for the money..i printed up the wellness check list and i am going to make sure all the neccessary procedures are done...i have to make sure the vet does what they can 100% to make sure my gliders are healthy..thanks

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#22571 - 06/21/04 10:57 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Salmonella? This is a bacterium and is treated with an antibiotic. Spreads by fecal-oral route and cross contamination is an issue just like Giardia.

When treating with meds....make sure the vet understands that you will be giving the med to multi gliders if there is a risk of cross contamination. If only enough med for one glider and it is being given to two gliders...then glider who is ill will not be treated for the required period and will appear to have gotten better only to become ill again.

Important to discuss obtaining enough med for all the gliders who are possibly exposed if dealing with an illness that can be spread easily by cross contamination issues.


Edited by Judie (06/21/04 11:08 AM)
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#22572 - 06/22/04 08:20 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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he said it was protozoin parasite....so i actually should be treating all my gliders with meds? rather then just the two that had it...i will make sure to tell my vet this, so he understands that i will need enough meds for all my gliders..thanks

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#22573 - 06/22/04 10:31 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
For one...I think you wrote that the vet gave you only enough med for the one glider thus not enough med to complete the treatment for the sick glider.....since you gave it to two gliders.

And yes, protozoan as well as some bacterial issues can spread to the other gliders through cross contamination.

Have you scheduled a vet appointment yet for a recheck?


Edited by Judie (06/22/04 03:45 PM)
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#22574 - 06/22/04 10:46 AM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Chaz, Giardia is also a protozan parasite.
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#22575 - 06/22/04 12:37 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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well i did end up getting enough for the sick glider of coarse..yes i went to the vet earlier and thier wasnt a trace of any parasites in any stools as of yet, but as for the gliders that where sick, i got them tested 2 times since they got sick and they didnt have anything. i am also going to go get a second oppinion tommarow from another vet. is giardia common with reptiles?

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#22576 - 06/22/04 06:52 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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can humans catch parasites from the gliders? if so do you know what the signs would be? thanks

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#22577 - 06/22/04 09:04 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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Yes we can if we dont wash our hands after caring for them. It would be the same symptoms that they had. Upset stomach, loose stools, etc.. It might feel a lot like the flu. I sure hope you aren't ill?
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#22578 - 06/23/04 06:08 PM Re: Urinating on self? [Re: ]
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no no im not sick, i just got done reading the post about Leptospirosis..mabey i should get tested...eventhough my gliders still test negative for it.

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