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#226138 - 02/28/07 08:14 AM Information on tail injuries and pictures
queenduck Offline
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Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 6249
Loc: Kansas
Some of you may know this story, but, let me repeat so others will understand. A few weeks ago I had a male glider jump out of the pouch while I was peeking at his babies, Sushi. After 1 1/2 hours of trying to outsmart him, I finally caught him. But he bounced from cage to cage, would get behind the cages next to the walls, and I was moving things, leaving treats in pouches, usuing the towel, etc. My goal was to get him in the cage and keep him from fighting with the rest of my males. I finally got him caught, no injury, and I went to bed.

2 nights later.. I heard fighting in the glider room, I'd go in, turn on the light, check gliders, and couldn't find any one in distress. This went on for a long time, could never catch anyone fighting and everyone was in their own cages. I even tried sitting in the dark, but they knew I was there and were quiet. I finally gave up looking at them, figured someone was protesting breeding and was loud adn vocal to tell the male how serious she was about not breeding. Off to bed I went.

Worked 12 hrs the next day, came home feed gliders and did a pouch check, all little smiling faces were there. Got one cage out to play, went to bed, worked another 12 hours, came home and fed, played with Fu's family, checked all sleeping gliders, all there and happy to eat works.

So, finally, the next day, I am off and cleaning cages. I find what looks like a large catipiller in the bottom of a cage. Pull it out, it's a gliders TAIL!!!! I about died. Check on this cage, they are in a peep and will not come out, but.. they stuck thier heads out, ate a snack and seemed fine. So I figured until I could get them fed, they'd be fine. I have a WT male in this cage, and a WFB female. Seeing the remains of a tail, I knew it must by my girl, Jo, because the tail I found had no white tip.

I couldn't figure out what happend. Did they fight with eachother? Then I noticed, Finn and Fawn and joey cage was ONLY 1 inch away from their cage. I must have moved it when I was trying to catch Sushi. I feel so bad. The cage was stright in line, like it always is, but too close. I coudln't believe I hadn't noticed it already.

So I checked Finn and Fawn's cage, all are well an healthy. I feed everyone early, turn off all the lights, and an hour later everyone is out and eating.

I see BO, my WT on the side of the cage, and notice he is missing 2 inches of tail???? WHAT, the tail I found had no WT. So I look at Jo, the female, she is in the wheel. She is also missing 2 inches of tail!!!!!!!!!! Both look like it happend days ago (prob, when I couldn't find anyone fighting). They both looked almost healed.

So I took them to the vet, who said.. that they were almost healed and she didn't want to do any surgery. She cleaned them, gave antibiotics, and had me soak them nightly. Since neithor touched them, or appeared distress, no ecollar no pain meds.

A week later, all is well, skin is almost healed and fur is fluffing over their tails again. Eating well, playing well, all is good.

Then this Sunday I found this...


The one with bone ends showing is Jo, my female, the one with red raw area is Bo, my male.

I had my camera in hand when I found it because I had been taking pictures of Fu's family and joey. So I thought for future reference, a picture might help another glider.

So, all night trying to get pain meds and vet. Putting them in different cages, cleaning would, attempting ecollar (NOT EASY). I called in sick/lied to work and missed Monday. And both gliders had surgery Monday, amputation to the next vertebrea, stitching the skin, and e-collar while sedated. They are now and several meds, including pain meds, and not happy campers.

BO is great, has a good appitite, but Jo needs coaxing. I was up almost all night with them.

Thankfully for me my friend Linda S. lives close to me and knows the vet, so she took the first shift after surgery and kept them for me till last night so I wouldn't have to call in a second day and get fired.

SOOOO, after this long post. I wanted everyone to see what can happen if your cage is too close. And to say the HAVE to have surgery, even if you 'think' it looks good. I was told by Teresa that they needed it, but it didn't look like it to me or my vet, and in the end, my gliders had lots of pain and lost even more tail than if we had just done the surgery to begin with.

So, wish us luck, quick healing, and rest. I won't be around much until they are better.


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#226140 - 02/28/07 08:30 AM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: queenduck]
Gossamer Offline
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Registered: 11/22/06
Posts: 1667
Loc: Long Island, NY
Poor babies. Thanks for posting this Alicia. Are they chewing on each others tails?
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#226143 - 02/28/07 08:34 AM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: queenduck]
Carrie T Offline
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Registered: 06/10/01
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Loc: Doniphan Mo
Oh my Alicia, what a horrible thing to have to go through. I'm so sorry for you and your babies and hope they heal quickly. Thank you for posting this. I too have cages side by side and it makes me realize how easily this could happen. heart hug2 hug2 heart

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#226144 - 02/28/07 08:36 AM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: Gossamer]
queenduck Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 6249
Loc: Kansas
Well, at first I never saw any of them do it. But then Sunday I saw her grab hers and lick/lick, I don't know if she groomed his too. So they are seperated, both have ecollars, torb, metacam, antibiotics, etc. Bo is healthy and just mad about the ecollar, but eating and running around. Jo will eat, but it takes coaxing, she's just not herself yet.

But as it it now, they can not get to eachother, and they can not get to their own tail. So I am just waiting for them to heal.
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#226157 - 02/28/07 09:03 AM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: queenduck]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Alicia,
That's so sad cry I can only imagine your horror at finding a tail in the bottom of the cage... I'm glad they're healing okay now and on the road to recovery...
hug2 hug2 hug2
Thanks for sharing your story - I think we can all learn from it...
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#226169 - 02/28/07 09:40 AM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: sugarglidersuz]
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 3346
Loc: Mobile,Alabama
I'm sorry about ur suggies. Poor babies....I wish them the best.
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#226188 - 02/28/07 10:21 AM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: jannee66]
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Poor gliders--So sorry this happened, but thanks for posting. I just read stories all the time about people just "tossing" unfamiliar gliders in with eachother-I know this isn't the case here, but it's a perfect example of just how aggressive they can be to each other. Hopefully others will take it as a warning, and see just one of the outcomes of gliders fighting--others being far more tragic than this!
Hoping the get better soon.

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#226216 - 02/28/07 11:43 AM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: ]
BeckiT Offline
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Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 16083
Loc: Manitowoc, WI
I'm so sorry Alicia cry Hope that Jo is feeling like herself soon!
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#226234 - 02/28/07 12:51 PM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: BeckiT]
Anonymous
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I am so sorry to hear about your tragedy. I think your post will save alot of other gliders in the future. I hope every thing is going good now.
My condolences,
Jay

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#226244 - 02/28/07 01:14 PM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I am very sorry about the babies losing their tails, but I am getting ready to move my gliders into their own room, and their cages will have to be pretty close together. If I put cage covers on all of the cages (on 3 1/2 sides) will it prevent them from getting to eachother?

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#226269 - 02/28/07 02:00 PM Re: Information on tail injuries and pictures [Re: ]
BeckiT Offline
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Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 16083
Loc: Manitowoc, WI
It's always recommended to have the cages 6-8 inches apart Laura. Even though 2 of my cages are repts, they're still a foot apart and as soon as I get some stuff rearranged they'll be further apart...
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