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#23010 - 06/26/04 03:14 PM NYS--new law bans gliders
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http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S07616&sh=t

This bill has just passed senate and assembly and will take effect in January 2005.
As of a few weeks ago, the text of this bill had a whole section listing exotic animals which were to be considered "companion" animals and thereby exempt from this bill--including sugar gliders.
That section is no longer there.

NY glider owners:
find out who your assembly members are and contact them, you can search by zip code here:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/

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#23011 - 06/26/04 03:39 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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oh wow.. so this affects the whole state of NY... do they have a grandfather clause

edit: okay it seems they do have one if you apply within 60 days of the effective date... now does that mean that if you apply you can still breed or not? anyone know?


Edited by TMarie (06/26/04 03:42 PM)

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#23012 - 06/26/04 03:40 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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Oh no! Don't tell me I have to move just to keep my gliders. I sure hope they are on the safe list. I tried to read through some of that but it is very confusing. I will have to contact my assemblymen and see what he says.

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#23013 - 06/26/04 03:41 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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If you read the text of the bill, yes, there is a grandfather clause, but among other requirements, you cannot breed them.

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#23014 - 06/26/04 03:46 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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yes i just got to that part.. was just going to edit my post..

you also have to be 21...

i'm wondering if they will require males to be neutered .. if that's in there i haven't gotten to taht part yet..

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#23015 - 06/26/04 03:52 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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I just emailed my assembly men and I hope to hear something soon about it or I may call the office Monday morning. My hubby and I have been thinking of moving to Maine anyhow and this just may be the fire to put under out butts and move there. I will let you know what I find out.

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#23016 - 06/26/04 03:52 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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Oh no... this is horrible, we need to do everything we can to stop this.. I can't believe it!

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#23017 - 06/26/04 03:55 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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Well i guess in one good way there is a clause that lets you keep them if you are 21 but this is sad....

i would call and not email.. usually their email is filtered just to let you know

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#23018 - 06/26/04 05:17 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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I'm so sorry they are doing this. The reason is "monkey pox" and the FDA would love nothing more than to ban all exotics. I wish there was something that could be done but many prairie dog owners/breeders have been working very had to lift the ban and so far nothing. Now there may be exemption for placing gliders but it would only apply in the same state. This really is awful, right now NY but how many others will join. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" />

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#23019 - 06/26/04 06:53 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
SkyBlueGliders Offline
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Registered: 07/10/03
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Loc: Northern New Jersey
This is sad for all the Ny owners..but as it states....if your 21 and older, you can own the gliders...Just hoping a Ban does not come to NJ ...

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#23020 - 06/26/04 09:36 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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Registered: 02/19/04
Posts: 15514
Loc: Long Island, NY
It sounds like they are going after the reptile/ crocidilian species and Large exotics. Whithin the past year, we had a guy not to far from me with two alligators in his back yard. They were were babies but they were 4 feet long and they got lose. One was found immediately and the other took almost 2 months to find. We also had someone with an african servle get out his basement window and ran around for a week in a populated community. Than there was the man in manhattan 4 months ago living with 6 monkeys. All of the people with these large exotics and venomous are required to get a permit like the gliders, but they don't. Pennslyvania has these shows were you get any type of reptile/venomous and you dont need a permit to sell or buy. I think they need to regulate that first and see if it stops. It wont stop it all but might slow it down. Usda gives you a permit and see you later all it is is paperwork signed and mailed back to you with or without a liscense. They dont even check up, the are supposed to, but i worked with venomous snakes for about 2 years and not once see the usda do a check. And the office was a block away!! Yes it is a time consuming job to keep track of all exotis in a state. Lets hope they aren't for gliders!!!


Edited by gliderdad79 (06/26/04 09:39 PM)
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#23021 - 06/27/04 05:56 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" /> This is just sad. Who will be next. We need to find a way to stop this. My gliders and my weapons I don't plan to give up either with out a fight. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />
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#23022 - 06/27/04 06:21 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" /> This is just sad. Who will be next. We need to find a way to stop this. My gliders and my weapons I don't plan to give up either with out a fight. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />

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second that!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
this control they are trying togain makes me feel like a slave even if I dont live there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
this is horrible and I wll be thinking of everyone in new york <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#23023 - 06/27/04 06:29 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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The prairie dog people have really been fighting this issue for the past year. Monkeypox issue just made things so much worse so now a lot of counties, etc.. are trying to ban all exotics. PD's have been banned for some time now and that means that these poor guys are getting killed instead of saved and put into good caring homes. Some people (including us) had to keep a lot of pups they had for sale and that means that we have to try and give all these little guys the attention they deserve and that is hard when there are so many and I was lucky to only have 7 left. It's a lot of mouths to feed as well. Some people had over 150 pups to take care of and they are suppose to keep them for life at this point anyway.I don't mind too much as I love them and they are doing fine here, but they would do better with one on one attention. I now have 15 as I had 8 of my own before and that is alot of pd's to play with every day. These laws are going to start affecting a lot of people with a lot of different exotics everywhere so please watch out and speak up now before it's you and your animals. It's just a matter of who is next at this point.
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#23024 - 06/27/04 07:31 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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well i am in ny, and i am going to do what i can...i am licensed and i am going to give them a call, and find out any info i can. im not giving my gliders up either way. it seems more like the bigger animals that its focusing on, like gliderdad said, but unfortuantley it most likely affects all exotics, because people caint get a permit, or take proper care of thier exotic pet(s.

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#23025 - 06/27/04 07:39 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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so what is going to happen? How do we fight this? There are not considered companion animals any longer? I'm so confused! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#23026 - 06/27/04 07:51 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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I'm thinking of everyone in NY...I would die if anything like that ever happened here

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#23027 - 06/27/04 07:57 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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Loc: Lexington, KY
WAIT -- it says that the companion animals are detailed in another (apparently already existing law) -- so I don't think this applies to gliders. I'll try to find out. I've been following this bill for some time, and remember seeing the list of companion pets. But I THINK they just removed the LIST from the bill, but it would apparently still stand that gliders are companion animals.
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#23028 - 06/27/04 08:08 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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If you lived with your parents and you were under 21 would you still get to keep the gliders??

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#23029 - 06/27/04 08:37 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
Lucy Offline
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Loc: Lexington, KY
Jelly Bean, it's not a law yet. In most parts of the state, gliders are still legal.

EVEN IF this is true and they've been taken off the companion animals list (and in the current reading of the bill, it doesn't appear this has happened), there are still two steps before this becomes law...it has to pass the state senate again, and has to be signed by the governor.

Please don't jump to conclusions about this until we know for sure they've been removed from companion animal status.
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#23030 - 06/28/04 01:45 AM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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Please read the wording carefully regarding what is being considered a wild animal:

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21 WILD ANIMAL INCLUDES, AND IS LIMITED TO, ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING ORDERS AND FAMILIES:
23 (1) NONHUMAN PRIMATES AND PROSIMIANS,
24 (2) FELIDAE (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DOMESTICATED AND FERAL CATS, WHICH
25 SHALL MEAN DOMESTICATED CATS THAT WERE FORMERLY OWNED AND THAT HAVE BEEN
26 ABANDONED AND THAT ARE NO LONGER SOCIALIZED, AS WELL AS OFFSPRING OF
27 SUCH CATS), AND HYBRIDS THEREOF,

EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
{ } is old law to be omitted.
LBD04272-19-4

S. 7616 2

1 (3) CANIDAE (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DOMESTICATED DOGS),
2 (4) URSIDAE,
3 (5) ALL REPTILES THAT ARE VENOMOUS BY NATURE, PURSUANT TO DEPARTMENT
4 REGULATION, AND THE FOLLOWING SPECIES AND FAMILIES: BOIDAE FAMILY,
5 ASIATIC (WATER) MONITOR (V. SALVATOR), NILE MONITOR (V. NILOCITUS),
6 WHITE THROAT MONITOR (V. ALBIGULARUS), BLACK THROAT MONITOR (V. ALBIGU-
7 LARUS IONIDES) AND CROCODILE MONITOR (V. SALVADORI) AND ANY HYBRID THER-
8 EOF,
9 (6) CROCODILIA.


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As you will note only certain Families/Orders are being considered wild aniamls for banning purposes. The taxonomic classification regarding sugar gliders is as follows:

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Class: Mammalia
Subclass: Marsupialia
Order: Diprotodontia
Superfamily: Petauroidea
Family: Petauridae

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As you can see, by Class, Order & Family, the sugar glider is not included in the ban. The state's effort is to get large dangerous/venonmous wild animals out of the general public's hands. As for the definition of Companion Animal as defined in SECTION THREE HUNDRED FIFTY OF THE AGRICULTURE AND MARKETS LAW, it has not yet been updated online. I shall attempt to find out if the listing of companion pets still includes sugar gliders and let people know. In the meantime, let all NYS glider owners take a deep breath and calm down as only very specific Orders/Families of wild animals are being banned and as previously stated, gliders are not among those Orders/Families.

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#23031 - 06/28/04 12:22 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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I wasn't assuming that the law had been passed, I was just asking a question. I don't live in NY, either...Arizona <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#23032 - 06/28/04 05:12 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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OK, cancel the panic.
I spoke with my contact in Albany (who remembered me well--I'm not sure if this is a compliment) this morning, who gently pointed out that yes, the entire section defining "companion animals" was removed, because the wording in section 2 was changed to simplify the whole thing by limiting what they're banning.
Read carefully just the first sentence Glideroo quoted. It USED to say "...includes and is not limited to..." but NOW says "includes and is limited to..."
The removal of that tiny little word "not" makes a HUGE difference. As it stands, anything not specifically listed is legal.
Sugar gliders are and will remain legal in New York State (except for NYC.)
[OT--Fennec foxes, a member of Canidae, were also on that original list of companion animals, and will be listed as exceptions in the amendment, which is already being written--such is our government.]
This bill is actually a good thing. I think that if you have to take precautions to keep it from killing you, it's not a pet, it's a prisoner.

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#23033 - 06/28/04 05:39 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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Wow thank you so much for clarifying that for me. I am so happy that my babies are safe and staying with me. Yipee...hooray...Yahoo...................

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#23034 - 06/28/04 11:19 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> good news!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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#23035 - 06/29/04 12:08 AM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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This is one topic I was glad to see resolved before I read it. It had my heart racing for a moment. I wouldn't dream of ever letting this state get their hands on my favorite furry friends! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#23036 - 06/29/04 10:24 AM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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Yay!!!

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#23037 - 06/29/04 01:09 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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I'm so excited! I was really worried there! Thanks! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
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#23038 - 06/29/04 02:00 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> glad I didn't have to come up and help you guys stomp some buts. hehehe
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#23039 - 06/29/04 02:02 PM Re: NYS--new law bans gliders [Re: ]
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You crack me up. I had my husbands combat boots all lined up for kicking butts too. Great minds think alike...lol.

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