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#245631 - 03/27/07 09:39 PM leu + albino = ?
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If a leucisitc (BEW) and an albino glider were paired, would their joeys be all leu's or all albinos, or some of each?

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#245637 - 03/27/07 09:45 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: RSXTC]
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i would think some of each, if they are both full blood.

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#245640 - 03/27/07 09:47 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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i really should get this… I read all of these type posts.. but the genetics of it just give me a head ache … lol..
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#245686 - 03/27/07 10:21 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: Xglider]
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I don't know about Glider genetics, but in genetics, when there's two different recessive alleles, one of them usually wins out over the other. I would assume they'd all be leucistic, since I always thought albino was like the most recessive you could get. I dunno though. Cool question.

Man, that would be one valuable set of joeys, though.

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#245690 - 03/27/07 10:24 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: RSXTC]
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What a good question! thumb I have no idea what the answer is but I will be watching this post to see if someone does.

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#245692 - 03/27/07 10:25 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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off topic....but HAPPY BIRTHDAY MEAGAN!! jump

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#245695 - 03/27/07 10:28 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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that would be neat to know for sure, but from my basic college bio classes I think i would agree with Hillary
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#245731 - 03/27/07 11:00 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: Kitkatt1216]
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I understand anatomy, diet, bonding, care, housing. But gentics. yup see you later not my deal. I know with snakes you would as hillary said the only way you could get one or all of the same (dont they only have 2 joeys at most?) The onlu waythat you could get them all the same "morph" would be if both parents were both Of the same "morph" And that would have to be 100% pure BEW x 100% BEW. But then again i could be completely off since i dont do genteics.

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#245826 - 03/28/07 01:08 AM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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It depends which is more recessive of the two. I wonder if anyone has ever tried this out. Maybe even with other types or animals if they have found one to be more recessive or dominate of the two? Good question. I would also agree, I would think that Albino would be more recessive because that is lacking ALL color pigment. Whereas leucistic is only a partial block.
Just a thought, Not for sure???

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#245827 - 03/28/07 01:12 AM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Furf
(dont they only have 2 joeys at most?)


Gliders can have up to 4 joeys at a time.

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#245831 - 03/28/07 01:20 AM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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LOL, the general consensus is... genetics are confusing! And I agree. But I know there are a handful of people on this board that are genetic wizes, so hopefully one of them will have an answer for me. smile

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#245851 - 03/28/07 03:00 AM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: RSXTC]
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You would get NO Albinos or Leucistics. You would get 100% Lue/Alb hets. Now if you had a 100% leu het Albino and a 100% alb het Leu then you would get some of each. Each glider must have the gene to produce the color. So it really wouldn't be that much different than breeding a leu x grey or alb x grey except that he joeys would be het for both instead of het for one of the genes.
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#245853 - 03/28/07 03:08 AM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: Lynsie]
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Originally Posted By: Lynsie
You would get NO Albinos or Leucistics. You would get 100% Lue/Alb hets. Now if you had a 100% leu het Albino and a 100% alb het Leu then you would get some of each. Each glider must have the gene to produce the color. So it really wouldn't be that much different than breeding a leu x grey or alb x grey except that he joeys would be het for both instead of het for one of the genes.


Okay Lynsie, lol, you totally lost me there. If you had a 100% leu het abino??? and a 100% ablino het leu??? Let me see so that's a albino glider that produces Leus and a Leu that produces albinos, right. . . lol. WOW, Now I bet that is an expensive glider.

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#245928 - 03/28/07 09:31 AM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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100% Albino Het Leu = A leu that carries the Albino gene
100% Leu Het Albino = An Albino that carries the Leu gene
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#246017 - 03/28/07 12:03 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: princessmegi]
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Okay so what is (BEW)?

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#246020 - 03/28/07 12:04 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: princessmegi]
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It is not possible to get a gray glider for a leu paired with an albino. I don't know what you would get, but I do know that you would not get a gray. In order for a glider to be a leu or an albino it must possess 2 albino or leu genes and no gray gene. If the glider had a gray gene it would be expressed over the leu/albino, there for the glider would be gray. If neither parent possess the gene for gray, it would be impossible for the gliders to produce a gray baby.

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#246024 - 03/28/07 12:08 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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BEW = Black Eyed White (A Leucistic)
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#246042 - 03/28/07 12:25 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: princessmegi]
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It is not possible to get a gray glider for a leu paired with an albino. I don't know what you would get, but I do know that you would not get a gray. In order for a glider to be a leu or an albino it must possess 2 albino or leu genes and no gray gene. If the glider had a gray gene it would be expressed over the leu/albino, there for the glider would be gray. If neither parent possess the gene for gray, it would be impossible for the gliders to produce a gray baby.


So you wouldn't get an albino, leu, or a grey? IDK, I still think they would end up producing greys since neither have a gene in common. Who knows confused
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#246045 - 03/28/07 12:29 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: Lynsie]
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See I was thinking along the same lines as Lynsie but now I'm all tripped up. . . Maybe it would be blue!! lol, now that would be a GLIDER!

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#246098 - 03/28/07 01:33 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
silverwolf Offline
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Looking at the genetics I would think that you would get some of both. It would also depend on whether the black gene for the eyes is dominate or recessive. Your glider would be white but the color of the eyes are what would matter.

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#246116 - 03/28/07 01:55 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: silverwolf]
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#246136 - 03/28/07 02:24 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
jkaradeema Offline
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I agree with Lynsie. I believe you would get double hets - 100% albino/leu hets. You should never get a white color out of them because they both would need a gene in common to produce white babies.



Edited by jkaradeema (03/28/07 02:28 PM)
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#246155 - 03/28/07 02:38 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: jkaradeema]
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I think you would,as Lynsie said, get 100% het for albino/leu. In order to produce either color each glider has to have the gene. Seeing that neither do then you would get a grey. The leu. and albinos still have this color in there genes so it isn't impossible. I THINK!!!!!
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#246160 - 03/28/07 02:43 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: silverwolf]
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Originally Posted By: silverwolf
Looking at the genetics I would think that you would get some of both. It would also depend on whether the black gene for the eyes is dominate or recessive. Your glider would be white but the color of the eyes are what would matter.


Not really true, silver, or please correct me if I'm wrong. Albinos are lack of pigment, giving them more of a pinkish skin with the white. . . Leus don't have that pinkish. . . At least that's what I remember, I've never seen either, SO PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG! smile

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#246168 - 03/28/07 02:49 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
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I didn't say you wouldn't get albino or leus, I just said you wouldn't get a gray. Personally, I think you would get leus. Leus actually have pigment, so they would most likely dominate over the albino, which totally lacks pigment. I am 100% positive that you would not get a gray though. The genetics to produce gray just wouldn't be there if both leus and albinos are true recessive traits.

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#246217 - 03/28/07 04:00 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
RSXTC Offline
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Registered: 02/27/06
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Originally Posted By: JazzyJ

After reading that thread, my head is REALLY spinning! LOL

The outcome seems to still be debatable. There are some people that are 100% sure of one outcome, and others that are 100% sure of another. dunno

Who's gonna be the first to test this first hand? thumb

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#246253 - 03/28/07 04:58 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: RSXTC]
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we just got done doing punett squares in my biology class and I was going to make one of this case.

I guess it depends on whether one is homozygous or heterozygous. It also depends on whether the traits are recessive or dominant. Im thinking that Albino is recessive and the leu is dominant... if it were a homozygous leu with a homozygous albino then the possibility is that, according to genetics, they would be leu. Proof:

Trait: Leu : (represented by) L --- Albino: (represented by) l

Parent: Homozygous leuistic (LL) pared with Homozygous Albino (ll)
So if the albino is really a resessive trait and if my caculations are correct then the babies would be Heterozygous Leus(Ll)



I figuered this by doing a simple punnett square cross... If the traits are dominant or recessive as I predicted then the children would be leu but posses a ressive trait to produce albino...

Correct me if Im wrong

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#246371 - 03/28/07 06:27 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: ]
Lynsie Offline
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They are both recessive traits and homozygous(I'm guessing) because they would not be hets.
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#246377 - 03/28/07 06:31 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: Lynsie]
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OK furfs done. I will stick to buttercream and 1005 cuteness

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#246381 - 03/28/07 06:34 PM Re: leu + albino = ? [Re: Lynsie]
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Well I am assuming that the leu is a dominant trait over the albino... it all depends on which is expressed more

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