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#24642 - 08/07/04 04:13 PM Could this be Possible?
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I had a female het for Leucistic in a holding cage last Dec. She (Lil Dipper) was 6 months and there was another male 6 months and a male 4.5 months old. The 4.5 month old was a het for Leucistic and a white faced blonde male. The 6 months old male was a white faced blonde (Bailey), no Leucistic gene. One evening in Mid Dec. I went into the glider room and the little Boy 4.5 month old was breeding with the het girl. I had to go and eat dinner really quick so I just left them there. I knew the older male would be on her soon and I didn't want them fighting. It was early in the evening about 7:oo pm. I ate dinner real quick and came and pulled Bailey (blonde male, no het gene) out of the cage and put him in another cage for the night. He was already on her and there was some fussing going on between males. I wrote down the date and Jan 3 put Sunny(Leucistic het male White Faced Blonde) in with Jolene. About three weeks later, Jolene shows up pregnant. Sunny bred with her on Jan 6. On Feb 29, Lil Dipper has a Leucistic Baby Girl. On April 25, Bailey tried to breed with Lil Dipper again and I removed him successfully for the evening. On May 24 she was suppose to be in heat again and I was going to be out of town. I didn't not want them to breed because Bailey did not have the Leucistic gene. There was another female in the cage named Sterling and she was expecting her first joeys and I didn't want to remove Bailey so Sterling would not be stressed over losing Bailey. I asked my babysitter to remove Bailey from the cage and check for them breeding that week. Well I told her the wrong nights and she never really looked into the bag. I returned on the 29th of May and on Wed. June 9 discovered that she had joeys in the pouch. I projected her due date to be Aug. 12 which is this week. There are two joeys in pouch. I have heard that they can hold a baby for 6 months before delivering, but is it likely that she would have a joey inbetween that time, plus go into heat? I am just wondering if these babies in any way could be Sunny's even though he was removed on Dec. 13 from the cage and even though she had another joey in Feb. From the size of these babies, it looks like they will come out this week and that she did indeed get pregnant on May 24 or 25th. Can anyone that knows or experienced this get back to me please?
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#24643 - 08/07/04 11:15 PM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: ]
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I think I'm gonna have to read that three more times before I get it all digested, lol. Congrats? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I'm not sure what to tell ya!

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#24644 - 08/08/04 12:11 AM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: ]
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Well I am wanting to know if anyone has ever had a joey that was in a period of Stasis for 6 months before being born. I have heard of it, but wanted to know if it is possible to actually have one joey and then another 6 months later.
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#24645 - 08/08/04 01:49 AM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: ]
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Hum...well it seems like I read somewhere (probably here) that they can store fertilized eggs and release them later. But gosh I read so much half the time I can't remember when or if I really read it!!! Menopause is the pits!!! But...I am curious now!!!! LOL
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#24646 - 08/08/04 07:15 AM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: Izzyandrileysmom]
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i have read that too steph but never read a time period

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#24647 - 08/08/04 11:42 AM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: ]
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If I did I can't remember but the info has to be somewhere. I bet Judie would be the one who knows!!

Good luck Sheila!!

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#24648 - 08/08/04 11:49 AM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: Izzyandrileysmom]
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I have heard that is has been as long as 6 months. This is with a male that was neutered and 6 months later it shows up. It would seem impossible that she would go in heat again and have another baby inbetween, doesn't it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
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#24649 - 08/08/04 02:13 PM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: Izzyandrileysmom]
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i read an article about this somewhereon marsupials being able to do this,for the life of me i can't remember where i read it either or how long they can keep stasis....
i know i have also heard that there have been a few cases of it where nuetered males were fathers again 3-4 months after the nueter......
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#24650 - 08/09/04 12:58 AM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: ]
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Sheila, I am no Expert! I do know that One of my gliders has 2 babies and they look to be very different in size! She is a very small mom, so I am thinking that she had one and it never came OOP until the other one did. I am sure it could just be a size difference, but there is a big difference and it is the Girl that is so much larger. As for time frames I am sorry but I too do not know the answer.
Is it possible that Baily, with no Leus. Gene, had been the father of the Leustic glider? That would about throw out every thought we have all had on genetics but I was just wondering.. You know how unpredictable that Mother Nature is! LOL Congrates on the new babies and I can't wait to hear more about them and their colors... Good luck and I hope someone can come along soon and answer your ??'s.. Destiny - Missy

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#24651 - 08/09/04 01:48 AM Re: Could this be Possible? [Re: ]
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In kangaroos, it's possible for this to happen, according to Animal Planet. I know that they arent' related but being both marsupials it makes sense that it could also true in suggies.

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#24652 - 08/09/04 09:20 AM Re: Destiny, You are the only one that has really [Re: ]
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You are the only one that has caught on. The new babies are one Leucistic, one het. They will be coming out this week. I am even suspicious that Bailey could also be the Father of Larissa too. Even though Sunny was 4.5 months, he did sucessfully breed with Jolene three weeks later at 5.1 months. Bailey had her for ten min max. The only way to be 100% sure it to let Bailey breed with Larissa and Lil Dipper again which is a risk if Larissa is the daughter. This is such a nice little group that has babies sucessfully and I really didn't want to take Larissa out.

Anyway, the proud owner of this Baby is Babysdevil because I promised her the next female white and she has been waiting a long time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/muchlove.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />
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#24653 - 08/09/04 09:30 AM Re: Destiny, You are the only one that has really [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
I have heard the same thing. Katy had twins 2 months after neutering Sundown, and I wondered if this happened since she wasn't seperated from him. I sure hoped the neutering worked, lol, as Sundown will reject all male joeys he has. I hand fed thier last 3 and I didn't want them to have anymore. Babysdevil is so lucky, I really want a Leuccistic someday. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
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#24654 - 08/09/04 10:10 AM Re: Destiny, You are the only one that has really [Re: ]
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If it was only two months, he may have already gotten her. It takes about 11 weeks plus three to five days after they breed.
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#24655 - 08/09/04 11:46 AM Re: Leucistic [Re: ]
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Yayyyyyy!!
I'm sorry Sheila.. I don't know the answers either.

1-- if babies can be held in stasis for over 6 months, maybe Sunny IS the daddy.

2-- if not... then Bailey would have to be the dad.. which means, either he carries the L gene.. somehow... OR

3-- To get a L.. perhaps both parents actually do NOT need to carry the gene! Maybe just one carrier.

I'm afraid the only REAL way to know... would be to have blood tests done... but that would be a pain.

All I know is.. Wooooo-hooooo! I'm soo excited to get these girls! Little sweeties!

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#24656 - 08/09/04 12:31 PM Re: Leucistic [Re: ]
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Even though they are not mine, I am so excitted. I'm going to be able to hold and see a leucistic in person <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> ... All I can say is Bec you better be locking your doors <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> j/k Congrats Sheila! they are both adorable (Becs already showed me the pics <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> )

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#24657 - 08/09/04 11:15 PM Re: Leucistic [Re: RSXTC]
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The pictures I showed Rebecca were before they were out. They should be out sometimes this week!
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#24658 - 08/10/04 06:12 AM Re: Leucistic [Re: ]
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Hum... I've done a little research on embryonic dispause and I haven't found much in regards to gliders, but I did find information about kangaroos and koalas. There have been cases where koalas in zoos have held embryos for almost a year. Maybe it's a marsupial thing... None the less, congratulations <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Sheila, I recommend pairing both of those males of yours with leucistics or hets. On the off chance that the other male is a carrier, it would be well worth your time to get that other blood line in there.

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#24659 - 08/10/04 09:57 AM Re: Leucistic [Re: ]
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I know turtles can hold eggs in them for a number of years. But I really have no clue with gliders. I would do what AwesomeP said. The only other way I can think of is DNA testing, but I am sure that is not fun for the glider and very pricey for you

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#24660 - 08/10/04 12:20 PM Re: Leucistic [Re: ]
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I am going to leave him in there and breed back to the quad which will be Larissa who is suppose to be Sunny's baby. She is white so if he is the carrier, I should know within the year. She is 6 months and should breed soon. My vet is President of the Aviatory Society of US and he is going to a convention next week. He is going to ask Kathryn Delaney Johnson because she has a research lab with gliders.
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#24661 - 08/10/04 05:00 PM Re: Leucistic [Re: ]
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My GOODness, Sheila, I've read this post a dozen times over, and I still don't know what to think. lol. I think that BabyDevilsAngel has the choices right, it's gotta be one of them. lol. I just have no clue which.

BabyDevilsAngel, I won't even go IN to how lucky lucky lucky YOU are. lol. I am excited for you too...

Sheila, who are Bailey's parents? Wouldn't it be something if somehow, he DOES have the Leucistic gene? Is there any way at ALL, that it could have mutated in him and even though his parentage might not be on the BEW gene, he still is a carrier. Man, I just...don't...know. lol.

I am however SO thrilled that you have another little white angel on the way. You have worked so hard and had some great success with your Leucistic breeding program. Good Job Girl!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> Keep us posted on what you learn, and I can't wait to see pictures of these little ones as they grow. Luv <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Ames!

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#24662 - 08/10/04 09:21 PM Re: Leucistic [Re: ]
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You do need both gene's to produce the white. There has been some speculation that one of the new joeys is one dad and one the other. I am going to have to get out Bailey's baby pictures. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> The parents of Bailey are Frodo and NOel. Hailey on the other hand is a Possible Het for Leucistic so there is a 50% chance that these babies will carry the leucistic gene. The only way to know for sure is to do a DNA or breed Bailey to Larissa. Only time will tell but for right now, we will enjoy them. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />


Edited by Judie (10/07/04 02:22 PM)

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#24663 - 08/10/04 09:36 PM Re: Leucistic [Re: ]
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Oh my Goodness, How Exciting, so it's possible that Noel or Frodo one might very well have the Leucistic gene?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> Now that is something to think about, for sure. hehee. You are so lucky, My Girl, to have so many beautiful little angels to kiss on and adore every single day.

And Cyndie, you're not the ONLY one who sits and gets lost in the meet the family section. hehehe. I am right there with ya, Hun.

Luv <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Ames!

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#24664 - 08/11/04 02:18 PM Re: Big News [Re: ]
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To our surprise this little girl is not a Leucistic but something very interesting. She is all white with a little gray tip on her tail. She is not quite ready to be all out of pouch but will soon.
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#24665 - 08/11/04 04:34 PM Re: Big News [Re: ]
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she still sounds so cute <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#24666 - 08/11/04 05:38 PM Re: Big News [Re: RSXTC]
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You can see pictures here Haley and Honey
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#24667 - 08/11/04 05:53 PM Re: Big News [Re: ]
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man I can't wait till she has some hair so we can see what you made for us Sheila
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#24668 - 08/11/04 07:51 PM Re: Big News [Re: ]
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Oh My Goodness...how fascinating. This story just keeps on getting more and more interesting. She's adorable Sheila, and I can not WAIT to see what she looks like in a few weeks. Huge Congrats to you, Lady. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> LuvAmes...

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#24669 - 08/11/04 09:49 PM Re: Big News [Re: ]
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What an adorable baby. I just love the tip of her tail. It is so precious. I can't wait to see photos of her when she has her fur. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Congrats Sheila!!!!
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#24670 - 08/12/04 01:25 AM Re: Big News [Re: ]
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Ahhhh... so I finally have a good understanding of the situation after many confused emails and rereading that post and looking at Sheila's site....

How crazy would that be if by chance that Bailey was the carrier of the leu gene after all! It's looking like there's a good chance with that almost leu baby he had with Lil'Dipper! And what that might mean for Frodo and Noel and their other offspring if it was true. That could open up a whole new lineage of leucistics!

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#24671 - 08/12/04 04:08 PM Re: Big News [Re: ]
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The fact that this little one has a gray tip on her tail.. proves that Bailey is most likely the father... it also proves that he is probably not a carrier of the Leucistic gene.. and it also proves that this little one is not 100% leucistic herself. In fact... with her lineage... she's really only a possible het for leucistic! I'd venture to say since she is sporting soooo much white.. that she probably DOES carry the gene.. but maybe not. Who knows! Either way.. she is just adorable... and it'll be SOO cute to see an all white glider with a gray tip!! Awwww!!! How Unique!

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