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#25449 - 08/20/04 11:31 AM Lobster Roaches and silkworms?

Hi everybody, I'm new. I posted in the Help I'm New forum, and would like to get a better response for this question. While keeping geckos, I developed an allergy to mealworms, and am very skeptical of using them for my gliders which I do not have yet. Crickets are disgusting, foul little creatures, waxworms have too high of a fat content, wild bugs may have came into contact with pesticides, superworms don't breed. Which leads me to believe that I could start raising Lobster roaches or silkworms again. The roaches are very prolific, very clean, easy to gutload, don't smell, don't chirp, soft bodied, and are a lot more nutricious than most of the aforementioned insects. Silkworms are very easy to feed and are just the right size for gliders. It's probably unlikely, but has anyone had experience using either of these insects? Thanks.

#25450 - 08/20/04 11:35 AM Re: Lobster Roaches and silkworms? [Re: ]

Whats wrong with crickets, that would be my second choice after meal worms?

#25451 - 08/20/04 11:46 AM Re: Lobster Roaches and silkworms? [Re: ]

Crickets stink, they're noisy, unclean, cannibalistic, their breeding habits warrant that you need to have a wet substrate dish for them to lay eggs in, and as soon as the babys hatch, which is after a few weeks, if the dish isn't removed they will be eaten. Roaches are just easier, they don't lay eggs, they give live birth. They're a lot easier to keep clean than crickets, and don't resort to cannibalism very easily. They have a longer lifespan as well. Best of all they don't seem to harbor the internal parasites that crickets do, mainly hookworms and pinworms. Mealworms are mainly just chitin.

#25452 - 08/20/04 11:12 PM Re: Lobster Roaches and silkworms? [Re: ]

I don't know about roaches, but I know you said they were soft bodied. One of the big reasons for the mealworms is the exoskeleton helps clean the gliders teeth. Just FYI. Someone posted about the silkworms a couple times before. I believe the conclusion was that they were safe, it was just that some of the members got attached to them and couldn't feed them to their gliders anymore. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will reply soon.

#25453 - 08/21/04 02:47 AM Re: Lobster Roaches and silkworms? [Re: ]

yes, silkworms, from a nutritional standpoint are the best. they do tend to instill "affection" in some people. they are cute. but i do what is best for my gliders, so they get silkies (so do my hedgies, and my sto did too). here is the info....

Silkworms are HIGHLY NUTRITIOUS (High content of Calcium, Protein, Iron, Magnesium, Vitamins B1, B2, B3)
Silkworms are SILENT
Silkworms do NOT ESCAPE
Silkworms sit still when placed in terrarium and will stick to branches and wait to be eaten
Silkworms are ODORLESS
Silkworms do NOT POSE A THREAT to the health or hygiene of you pet as other insects can
Silkworms are welcomed by FINICKY EATERS

Silkworms Crickets
Bombyx mori Acheta domestica
Crude Protein 63.8% 11.4%
Fat 10.6% 22.7%
Ash 7.4% 9.9%
Carbohydrate 18.2% 56.0%
Calcium 0.34% 0.08%
Phosphorus 0.8% 0.78%
P:Ca ratio 2.35:1 9.75:1

as garnered from

there is also some research to show that silkworms are valuable in the prevention of and the fighting of fiberous growths, both cancerous and non-cancerous. they are actively being studied for this use in both animal and human uses.

our gliders may not have a huge "history" of cancer, but hedgies are very prone, and that is why i got into silkies to begin with. all of my babies LOVE LVOE LOVE silkies! and they are easy to receive, maintain, and feed.

#25454 - 08/21/04 08:54 PM Re: Lobster Roaches and silkworms? [Re: ]

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"] tbone, crickets can carry aflatoxins, which can cause illness in gliders. that is why some (including myself) would not use them. just my thoughts. [/]


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