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#25755 - 08/27/04 11:31 AM drawing blood from gliders for tests
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Does anyone know the best way or place to draw blood from a glider. My vet isn't sure and the only other time I had it done was at the ER vet in an emergency (she drew the blood from his little forearm and within minutes he started self mutilating the area, and went into shock an hour later and died. Since then I have been really scared about having blood drawn from my gliders. I have one glider that moves her back legs kind of strange, it's not HLP we know because she has had xrays, has been examined, had stool samples run, and urine tested. My vet can't figure out what is wrong with her and other than moving strange she seems to be doing ok, her weight is holding, she eats and drinks. She does not have a fever (the vet checked). I had a rescue female that was a breeder for many years that walked that way for awhile and also on her the vet (different vet that no longer treats gliders) could not find anything wrong other than the way she walked. She now walks fine and even plays and jumps and glides. My present vet (which is the only one that treats gliders near here) has a very cautious attitude and really doesn't want to put her through a lot of stress, he says it could cause more proplems than it solves. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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#25756 - 08/27/04 12:13 PM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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I would have your vet contact one of the vets in the vet Resources, this is what my vet did. Normally blood is drawn from the tail and the glider has to be anesthetized. If your glider is very ill, this may not be the wisest choice.
I currently have a very sick glider and we are unable to draw blood due to his condition. A more glider knowledgeable vet will be able to determine what tests your vet should consider next and help him go from there. As you probably already know, gliders don't have a lot blood and sometimes it is hard to get enough to run tests, depending on the equipment your vet may have for this.

Someone else may come along with better advice, I only know this is the recourse my vet took in order to get the help we needed with my glider. Good luck.

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#25757 - 08/27/04 12:40 PM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/25/01
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My suggestion is to have a C&S done. The vet can do one from fecal or urine.

I am only guessing....but your glider sounds like she/he has some sort of bacterial infection which is causing loss of calcium. From experience....an oral Calcium Supplement Syrup can be given to help with the lack of calcium from the infection.

Have your vet contact another vet for consultation as to C&S and what kind of meds to give until the results are back from the lab.

Dr. Teresa Bradley DVM will do a consultation via phone. She is owner of Belton Animal Clinic here in Belton, MO. Phone number to office is 818-331-3120.

Your little one is very ill. Please seek help ASAP. Please keep us updated with the progress of your little one.
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#25758 - 08/28/04 01:14 AM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Thanks Judie, my vet is away until Tuesday. But I am going to ask the vet that works with him (she doesn't treat gliders) if she will send out a urine and fecal for culture I got both tonight and they are in the fridge awaiting transport in the morning. I will try to get fresh samples in the morning, but I thought it best to get something to tonight since my little girl decided to cooperate. She did come out to play tonight for a little while. When she first started walking strange we thought she may have had a fall. When it didn't resolve we had urine and fecals run (standard tests but not cultures) the vet found nothing wrong with them. Her mate had recently been treated for a UTI and was doing better but I at that time asked the vet if a male could pass a UTI to a female since their reproductive tract and fecal and urinary tracts are all in the same place. He didn't think they could, but wasn't sure. We have had her xrayed to check for calcium loss and the xrays came back fine. It's strange but while at the vets she moved around a lot better than she does at home. Some days she walks better than others. Since no bacterial or viral reason was found and the xrays came back fine it was concluded that she may have taken a fall while in the playroom or in her cage or her mate may have unintentionally injured her while attempting to mate (he had recently been neutered and would still try occasionally). The question being if it was nerve or muscle injury which was a wait and see thing. She doesn't curl her tail over her back the way she used to she can still move it but she doesn't hold it up all the time they way she did before putting a male in with her. I still want them to do cultures on her stool and urine just to check for any problems. I had another female that had similar symptoms (also seen by a vet and no definative reason found for her behavior) and after a year it has resolved itself, we worked with her a lot to get her moving more so her muscles would build up, she had tried to glide and fallen, limped for awhile and began to "baby" the injury. If you've ever sprained an ankle or wrist you will know that it is ok for a little while but if you continue to it makes it harder later on to get your strength back. Though not my friendlist glider, she has a lot of heart and spunk. I'll let you know how the test results turn out. I have given her a little extra liquid calcium, I don't want her to become calcium deficient during her recuperation. The boy I lost before after having blood drawn was not in with her and was in fact kept in an entirely different room of the house. So I don't think this is a contagious thing. Her mate is fine, loving and playful. I'll let you know how things turn out.

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#25759 - 08/28/04 02:28 AM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Registered: 02/22/03
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There is a vein that runs in the tail, that from what I know is the preferred place to take blood. I would have an experienced vet to consult by phone if yours has never done it before. (We had trouble, because we had an ill glider that didn't have a tail). You also need to be careful how much you take or they can die of shock from blood loss. Frequently in a small glider, in order to get enough to run tests on at all, it's too much for the glider to lose. They don't have all that much to begin with. Again, please have an experienced vet by phone available if you decide to have this done. And if mutilation could be a concern, keep an ecollar on hand just in case, ready to go. And please keep us updated. I hope she starts feeling better!
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#25760 - 08/28/04 03:55 PM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Thanks Xfilefan, my vet and I have discussed blood work which neither of us were comfortable with having done with this particular glider. She is about 50 gms (and before anybody panics about her weight, both her parents are very small and she has always been on the small side) She is also a bit high strung. I had the vet send out urine and feces for cultures today so now the wait begins (10 days for a C+S) We transfered her and her mate to a different cage today. The new one has a full shelf top living area with their food, a wheel, water dish, watter bottle and their beds. Access to the bottom 2/3rds of the cage is from a ramp. Hopefully this will encourage her to come out more.

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#25761 - 09/02/04 06:42 PM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Nothing back on the test yet. The reports just say pending. She is eating a little more as long as I hand feed her. I'll post when I have more info.

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#25762 - 09/04/04 10:34 PM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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we have some answers, the urine culture came back with Klebsiella Pneumonia. She and her mate have both been put on Baytril. She is also on Pettinic to help build her up. I actually saw her hanging from the top of the cage tonight playing with the wheel trying to get it to turn. I'm glad I insisted on the urine and stool cultures. When the vet saw that I had asked for a urine culture to be sent out he said he hated to waste my money because urine cultures almost always come back "no growth seen" so he was really suprised when this came back. He and I are both glad I insisted. Hopefully the Baytril will help. I will keep everyone updated.

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#25763 - 09/04/04 11:33 PM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Registered: 02/22/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
I'm so glad that you have found something to work with, and have a med that seems to be making a difference. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> We'll pray for your little one's continued recovery. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#25764 - 09/05/04 12:21 AM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Registered: 08/08/01
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my glider had pnumonia and her bacteria became resistant to baytril. so if u have the same problem my vet gave her in shot form twice daily 1 1/2 cc's sterile saline miixed with amikacin 3mg/kg and reg. penicillin 30,000 iu/kg for 3 wks devided the dose into body weight of glider. just a little knowlege in case u go thru the same thing.

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#25765 - 09/05/04 01:24 AM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Arkmom,
that's great news! I'm glad to hear you got a diagnosis! Hopefully she will soon be back to her old self again!
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Chey <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

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#25766 - 09/05/04 05:55 AM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Thanks everyone. The lab is running or ran a sensitivity so hopefully we have them on the right med. He isn't showing signs of being really sick the way she is, but because they sleep together we are treating both. Well at least if they have to have shots I can give them at home. I just went through this (not the same disease) with some foster gliders that had yeast and staph growing in their stool. The staph was resistent to both baytril and metronidazole so the vet asked how do you feel about giving shots at home once a day. I told him a lot better than schleping them down to the office and putting them through the stress of transport once a day. The oldest foster boy really hates waiting in the travel cage at the vets. They are doing better now and hopefully so will these ones. thanks again everyone. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#25767 - 09/05/04 07:01 AM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
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Good Luck <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#25768 - 09/07/04 11:12 PM Re: drawing blood from gliders for tests [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I may have been wrong about which glider was hanging from the top of the cage. I think now it was her mate. She is still hanging in there. I'm talking to my doctor (well not my regular doctor since they couldn't give me an office appt. for a month)

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