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#25795 - 08/29/04 12:58 PM Tootsie has a joey I.P.
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Okay, here is the deal. My sweet Lil tootsie has a joey in her pouch once a again. I'm guessing in maybe a couple of weeks it should be out. The problem is in the past she has cannabalized 1 of her joey and rejected the other, and she cannabalized another joey. Many of you probably thought i should of got Rollie neutered but i'm sorry i didn't. Umm... So what i'm going to do is i'm going to supplement this baby from day one. She usually waits until the baby opens it's eyes before she starts pushing them away, and i still haven't figured out why...And on some nights i might seperate Rollie. He might be the one causing the rejection. He ate her last joey, and she always crabs at him when she has a joey and he goes in the pouch with them. So i thought i would let you all know,and any suggestions would be great. And i do have a rejection kit too. Wish me luck for this lil joey <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" />

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#25796 - 08/29/04 10:34 PM Re: Tootsie has a joey I.P. [Re: ]
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Your problem can be caused by a number of things. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />
What is their diet like?
How are you sure that the male ate the last joey?
Was the joey already cold and lifeless or did he kill it? Sometimes they will cannibalize a dead joey becuase it is their natural instinct to try to "dispose" of a corpse that would cause problems if left around... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" /> Some cannibalize in a nastier way becuase they aren't getting enough nutrition to support a life, so they eat the joey...
Sorry about the raw questions, but the info would help us help you.

Were the joeys getting milk? Was their skin wrinkled and they were dehydrated looking?

Also some males are too eager to get back into mating once a joey comes oop, she may have been crabbing at him for being a nuisance. I have one male that did this, but he seems to have gotten over his habits. What I did to make the females life easier was spend time with the male during the day so that the female had some time to herself to nurse joeys.

I myself think it's best with rejection and joey problems to get to the root of the problem if possible rather than try to spend time supplementing and such. It seems quite often that females aren't getting an adequate diet or simply aren't producing enough milk and for those reasons they reject their joeys. Supplementing can be a lifesaver and is very useful in the right situations, but sometimes it can bring more stress into a situation. You just have to look at your situation carefully and decide if it is the best thing to do.

Environment also can play a big part with rejection. If you can give us some more details we can try to give you some more help. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

One thing to keep in mind is that not all gliders are meant to be parents and that all parents aren't always good parents. There's only so much you can do, the rest is up to nature. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#25797 - 08/30/04 05:36 PM Re: Tootsie has a joey I.P. [Re: ]
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Okay, they are on the BML diet. Just to let you know after her last joey cannabalized Tootsie went to the vet and had her pouch checked, everything was fine, so that illiminated that. She said that she was one of the healthiest gliders that she has seen, and the nicest. I was giving Tootsie some Wambaroo milk replacer also. Yes, i did see the dad eat the baby. But it was dead when he was eating it. THe first babies that were cannabalized i noticed on the lil boy he had bite marks on his face, he was the first to be eaten. Then the lil girl looked just fine with maybe a scratch she was rejected i found her on the bottom of the cage but got to her too late. So i made sure to check for any signs of rejection on the third joey I was prepared to take action if there was but there was none. But one night woke up to see them eating her. I did see mom pushing her away from her the night before though when she was trying to get back in the pouch. The joeys looked pretty healthy though. Hope i answered enough of your questions! Thanks for the help, SHeena

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#25798 - 08/31/04 05:04 PM Syringe Size. [Re: ]
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Okay, since i'm going to be supplementing the joey, i want to be ready. I have a syringe and cathator. Um, i practiced with the father giving him some mix through the syringe. Is it easier to have a smaller syringe? Mine is not really big but in the picture on Feeding Rejected Joeys the syringe is smaller then mine. So should i get a smaller one, will they be easier to control? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> I seemed to squirt too much out when i was using it on Rollie. Wheen feeding them do you just put some on their lips and have them lick it off, or do you actually stick the Cathator in their mouth? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> Please help, i don't want to make any mistakes. Yesterday i saw the lil one's feet, so i know it won't be long!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

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#25799 - 09/01/04 04:57 PM Re: Questions!!!! [Re: ]
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Can anyone help and answer my questions in the post above? I don't want to make any mistakes, and loose another Joey. Please reply soon it won't be much longer before the joey comes all the way oop. Any day now! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> Thanks for your time and help!
Sheena and the Joey

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#25800 - 09/02/04 12:01 PM Re: Tootsie has a joey I.P. [Re: ]
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Have you read the thread "How to hand feed a joey" at the top of this forum, it would be a good place to start at least. I will keep my fingers crossed and I hope this goes well for you, but just be prepared that even with your help, she still might reject the joey--there are just so many reasons why a mom rejects a joey, and it could just be that there is something developmentally wrong with them and she knows it. But I do hope this works out, I know it is so devasting to lose a little one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Good luck!

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#25801 - 09/02/04 01:11 PM Re: Tootsie has a joey I.P. [Re: ]
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When hand feeding a joey, for the most part you let them take the milk in themselves at their own pace. You want to make sure you do that or it could damage their stomach. The hand feeding a joey link is a good thing to read. There's a lot of great info. The syringe should be have a french catheter on the end, or a syringe with a small tip will work. vet offices have them and some pet stores carry ones that will work fine

Are you still giving Wombaroo this time?
It really helped with a female of mine who wasn't making much milk. This could be the case. The only way to know is to look at the joey's belly and since it is translucent when they're young you can actually see the milk, or lack of, inside.

If the mother trusts you I wouldn't think that you handling the joey would be cause for rejection. Is the father as tame?

Have you supplemented them with some extra protein?
Maybe some Superworms or mealies, maybe some chicken? That may help a lot if you do. In the wild their mating seasons correspond with summertime when the bugs are plentiful.

If mom was pushing the joey away that would suggest to me that she might not be making enough milk, but ya never can say for certain. Hopefully you can help this one make it, and hopefully I am able to help <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#25802 - 09/02/04 01:39 PM Re: Questions!!!! [Re: ]
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Supplementing can be difficult for a few joeys as they only want to feed from their mother. So...have patience with the little one.

One feeds the joey by placing the tip of the cather into the little one's mouth. Make sure the tip is on top of the tongue.

Use a 1 ml/cc syringe. Anything larger...you will have difficulty controling the flow of the mix...running the risk of asperiating the little one.
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#25803 - 09/02/04 04:10 PM Re: Tootsie has a joey I.P. [Re: ]
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Thanks for replying it means alot to me. I saw the lil joey today when she was cleaning her pouch and it allready has grey fur and everything won't be long now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/clown.gif" alt="" /> I have been sprinkling some Wombaroo on her BML mix. is there a certain amount i should give her? Mom trusts me pretty well she never bites and is so sweet. Father on the other hand I can pet him and all but he does bite if i put my fingers in front of him. Or if he's running around he'll jump on me and start biting my back or whtever. But he's not so protective over the last joeys at all. I just coax him out and give him some mealies. I have been giving my GLiders meal worms for more protein. ANd i have read the thread on feeding a joey. So i guess i just need to get a smaller syringe. When my sister takes Her dog back to the vet Friday for a bone scrape i'll have her ask if they have one. I have so much going on right now that loosing this joey would just really get me. Right now i might loose my Grandpa, and a dog. So hope the best for this joey to make it so my heart doesn't have to go through another ache i don't think it can take much more and this will certainly be their last joey so they and me don't have to go through this again. Thanks

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#25804 - 09/03/04 01:20 AM Re: Tootsie has a joey I.P. [Re: ]
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I hope things do go well for you!
For my gliders I give 1/2 tsp to two TBSP of food.
I don't use BML but my food is similar and when I fed BML I fed the same amounts. I'm not sure what others give, and there isn't really an agreed upon set amount for what is the correct amount. This is what has worked for me and I have had no problems, and it has helped a female of mine, who previously rejected, to produce enough milk to successfully carry two joeys with both maintaining normal weights and growth rate.

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