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#25942 - 09/06/04 10:17 PM Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post)
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OK guys/gals here goes what our weekend was spent talking about.

First how many of us actually duplicate a Sugar Gliders natural habitat. Now, when I am talking about duplication of their natural habitat here goes what I am talking about.

1. Misting cage 1-2x's daily with 80-85 degree water (mechanical or automated)
2. Moss as a substrate for the bottom of the cage
3. Actual log with holes routed out for the gliders access
4. Maintaining humidity level in the day an dropping it at night.
5. Live Plants as only form of climbing apparatus in cage.
6. Temperature Drop during the night.
7. Is there anything else I have forgotten ?

I breed snakes and we mimmic their habitat as closely as we possibly can, especially when it comes to acclimating a new snake or a snake that has gone off feed for some time.

So my question is has anyone tried to mimmic the sugar glider habitat and if so how did it go. We are currently doing some research as far as temperature and humidity levels for gliders in the wild so I would like to have any input that you may have for making this a succesful project.

If we get enough information within the next couple of weeks then i'll start this project before winter time comes (winter comes early in Wisconsin) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> .

Also if there are enough interested individuals we could possibly put up a journal on our website (When its done <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> ) so that everyone can read and see our progress to see if the animals behavior actually changed any.


If there are any of you out their that does something of this nature please Email us or just reply to this post.

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#25943 - 09/06/04 10:30 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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well i think were planning on moving to a house with a few more bedrooms so i want to make one a glider room, because right now we take up all of the bedrooms. That would be so fun to make a glider room and do all of that stuff i was drueling reading it. If we do move i cant wait, that would be a blast.

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#25944 - 09/06/04 10:32 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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This is an interesting thought. Please keep us posted as you explore this. With gliders being aboreal animals, I would think that might be the hardest part to duplicate.

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#25945 - 09/06/04 10:33 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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hmmm and maybe it would be very cool if you just had the fruits and veggies growing in the cage and you could set loose the live meal worm, crickets, chicks, pinky mice, etc. That would be very cool.

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#25946 - 09/06/04 10:57 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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Kinda sorta what we were thinking is putting in the insects and letting them capture them on their own. It will give them their predator instinct back. Hey if I could find a type of berry non-poisonous and easy to grow indoors thats not too invasive I'd might just try it.

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#25947 - 09/07/04 12:54 AM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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sounds like a nice idea, but there are a few things that I noticed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I don't think that misting the cages would be necessary or beneficial. I'm not sure that they would really notice or care much. It is a good idea to keep the humididty at a good level, but if you had too much moisture on the cages it might make things stinkier or stickier.

The plants would be dead really quick. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" />
They aren't too gentle to the fake ones and they manage to strip them clean pretty quick. Mine have killed a number of houseplants. It would be nice if you could find something large and vigorous enough to tolerate the beatings. I just don't know what would. Maybe you could grow a large Acacia tree, or have an indoor garden going so that you could rotate in fresh plants while the others recover.

Logs, they love logs, branches...those are always good. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I think what you are trying to do is ambitious and would be fun if it worked out, but I think you have a really tough task ahead of yourselves. I think you'd need an entire room to dedicate to the project. I thought about doing it, but I realized how tough it would be and how many little things there are to consider like ventilation, cleaning, maintenance, cost, which gliders actually get to live in the environment....

What some people do is grow plants native to glider lands and put cuttings and flowers in the cages to entertain their gliders. Other people set up large glider playrooms. Another thing I think works is to take elements of their natural diet and allow them access to those items. I believe doing that has a positive effect on their behavior.
Good luck on your quest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#25948 - 09/07/04 10:44 AM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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i find this very interesting im going to bump it to see wat other people think (bump)

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#25949 - 09/07/04 01:02 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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I know its going to be difficult with the plants which is why we are looking for a vine of some sort that we can keep the plant outside of the cage with the vines going inside.

We actually believe that misting the entire cage via a misting nozzle (same ones used in our chameleon cages) will be very beneficial at not only reducing the odor and cleaning of the cage but as well as reducing the odor on the glider themselves.

As far as the moisture goes its really no different than our chameleon cages, which have a drain hole in the bottom of the pan to prevent buildup as well as drowning the roots of the plants.

It looks like to prevent food being tossed everwhere we are going to use a rotted out log cut in half as a kitchen and insects and pinkies crawling around during the night as their protein source.

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#25950 - 09/07/04 02:53 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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if you stood a log upright and put holes deep into it then put mealies only it would be good so that they reach inside of the tree to get the bugs im guessing like theyed do in the wild.

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#25951 - 09/07/04 04:22 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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Darn thats a pretty good idea <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/agree.gif" alt="" />

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#25952 - 09/07/04 04:36 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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ty im getting just as excited as this as problably you are.

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#25953 - 09/07/04 04:41 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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now would you put pouches in there or just put a few plants in for a while every month or so that they can make their own nests.

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#25954 - 09/07/04 04:41 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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it would be very cool to see a glider make a nest out of just leaves and see where they put them.

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#25955 - 09/07/04 06:26 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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correct no pouches, lets face it fleece, cotton or any other of those fuzzy materials do not exist in the wild so I would like to see what they will actually make their homes out of.

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#25956 - 09/07/04 06:56 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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Do you know if gliders flourish more in the dry season or the wet season? Are you going to try and replicate the seasons?

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#25957 - 09/07/04 07:17 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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Hey these are the ideas I need. I will do some reading but does anyone know off hand when dry season begin and wet season starts or vice versa.

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#25958 - 09/07/04 07:52 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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Wet season is November to April, dry season is May-October. It usually stays the same temperature throughout the year. I have no idea what time of year sugar gliders like better.

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#25959 - 09/07/04 09:10 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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Guess what I just might have to do this for a full year and see. Hmmm Wet season is approaching and they are basically in dry season year round in captivity. Now I need to read about basic temps and humidity levels.

Geez just had a vision of hooking up a 5 gallon container to my misting system to simulate the wet season

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#25960 - 09/07/04 11:08 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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I hope were not making this too complicated for you but if your going to replicate a gliders habitat you might as well do it right.

By the way this is my 501st post so now im a glider addict and now i have a bold title yay. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/party.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />

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#25961 - 09/07/04 11:09 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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oops i meant glider slave lol.

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#25962 - 09/08/04 08:12 AM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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Complicated nah, life is complicated this is educational, informational and absolutely fun.

Uh doesnt look like your an addict yet. Personally maybe but not according to this board. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

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#25963 - 09/08/04 01:33 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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what kind of moss would you use on the bottome of the cage? Peat moss or the stuff that grows wild in the trees

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#25964 - 09/08/04 01:58 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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The moss I will get we call it Pillow Moss I do not know the actual name of it. A buddy of mine basically ships it from florida up to me for our Chameleon cages once it roots its pretty darn idestructable.

By a mistake we once left it in 2 inches of water for a week and it never died.

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#25965 - 09/08/04 01:59 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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hehehe just noticed your in Florida <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#25966 - 09/08/04 02:11 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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I wouldn't think that misting the cage would be a good idea. I know I don't have many post, but I'm studying to be a vet tech. Here are my thoughts on misting: Gliders don't have a double layer coat to be protected from water and don't produce water resistant oil to coat their fur with. Also, moisture is a breeding ground for bacteria and gliders seem to be prone to bacterial infections.

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#25967 - 09/08/04 09:33 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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very good point. I guess it wouldnt be a very good idea. Ha ha what if a glider was sniffing the nozzel or something and it sprayed them that wouldnt be too plesant.

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#25968 - 09/08/04 09:43 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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OK sorry not to burst your bubble but I am a retired Emergency & Critical Care Veterinary Nurse with 13 yrs of experience. Within those 13 yrs I had 7 years with exotics. So while I do realize your concern for gliders getting damp or even wet for that matter it happens naturally in the wild. Please remember that gliders live in the outback, therefore they are exposed to not only foggy nights as well as your everyday rain showers.

It is very easy to say that these animals are cute little fuzzy animals, but please remember that they are in the wild in temperature from 0celcius to upwards of 40 celcius during the hot season.

Hey who knows we might be surprised to see a glider rolling around in the water the way a chinchilla rolls around in dust. Now that would be a sight to see.

As far as baterial infections go I am hoping that the combination of peat and regular moss will keep that down. As I mentioned before there is no difference between this set-up and on for a Vivarium set-up other than the cage itself.

One last note the water being use will go through a RO/DI unit which is the same for all of my other animals. The moisture itself will not cause bacteria there needs to be a medium (food maybe). Also because of the cycle that the misters will go off in, they will continuosly cleaning most of the surrounding areas when the gliders are in their logs thus washing away most of the food particles, urine and excrement left behind (theorectically). In the event there is a medium left for bacteria to grow, I believe that I will have a bigger problem with molds than bacteria.

Lets face it after doing some reading today it seems that gliders like a bed of leaves, twigs and grasses so there will be a presence of moisture until they eventually dry out. I am sure that in the wild bacteria grows in there homes the question is what type of bacteria. Is it pseudomonas, serratia, Klebsiella who knows this is the reason to pursue something like this in captivity to learn as much as we possibly can.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> sorry got a little carried away <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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#25969 - 09/08/04 09:51 PM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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also you dont want them to live for 4 or 5 years instead of 15 thats not what you want to do right. because i mean if you truly do replicate the diseases they would get in the wild that would mean that half of it is a success but you dont want to kill your gliders.

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#25970 - 09/09/04 04:33 AM Re: Duplicating Glider Natural Habitat (Long Post) [Re: ]
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Oh, another thing about misting, it will make your cages stink to high heavens. I know that when I wash my branches they stink 10 x's worse when they are wet and since glider scent it oil based water wont wash it away.

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