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#26352 - 09/17/04 07:11 PM Joey came oop!
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This morning Tootsie was making alot of noise. I got up and went to see what was going on she was in her pouch w/ Rollie. And the Jeoy was all the way oop. The jeoy was so cute. Anyways Tootsie was making a bunch of noise at Rollie and then she was biting him and crabbing at him. It looked like Rollie was trying to get to the baby. But i don't know if he was going to harm they joey or not though. But since the last 3 joeys didn't survive w/o any reasonble idea why and i did see rollie eating one of them, i got worried. I took Tootsie out of the cage w/ her pouch and put her in my hamster cage. And left Rollie in the other cage. I just put them back together though now that the joey is back in the pouch. But i'm going to bring over my extra cage and seperate them when i can't keep and eye on them and when the joey is oop. I think it's best. Even though some people don't like seperating father, but through my experience w/ them i think it's the right thing to do
Anyways what i want to know is when i can i'm going to weigh the joey to see if it is up to it's weight. So how much should the joey weigh? I'm also going to supplement the joey when i can. So how much do they usually eat? Thanks for your time
Sheena

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#26353 - 09/18/04 12:48 AM Re: Joey came oop! [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
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A nice healthy joey will usually weigh 12 to 15 grams when it finally comes oop. although I have also had a few who were 8-10 grams. Size also depends on how big the mother is.

Supplementing a tiny one that is 12 grams or so is about .30 cc. 8-10 grams about .20 cc. My suggestion is not to supplement more than every six hours and let mom do the rest. It is also best to leave dad with the family. Since babies do not retain their heat due to their small size....the mother will usually become stressed and will be afraid to leave the little one or she may abandon him.

If the joey is nice and healthy...Dad will not dispose of him. Parents usally only eat their little ones if they themselves are severly stressed or malnourished or if the wee ones are weak and dehydrated from lack of milk. Joey becomes cold and thus the smell of the tiny one changes and then the parents dispose of the tiny one which in a way...ends the needless suffering and pain.

Good Luck and Congratulations on the little one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
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#26354 - 09/18/04 02:46 PM Re: Joey came oop! [Re: ]
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The stress of moving mom from one cage to another and back again may work agaisnt you, so be careful with that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohwell.gif" alt="" />. If you absolutely must move anyone, move dad.

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#26355 - 09/19/04 08:49 AM it's a boy, & feeding questions!! [Re: lillysmomma]
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Last night i got a quick look at the joey to see that it was a boy! Woohoo! I'm so excited. But im not going to name him yet tell i'm sure he'll survive. Well as for seperating the dad thing, last night i just kept them together, they did pretty good only a few crabs here and there. It doesn't bother Tootsie too much of switching cages because she has always been moving back and forth cause i live at 2 diff. houses and i have to take my gliders with me. I'll just take it from here though and see how it all goes. But it's so scary when i wake up in the morning to check on the joey, i'm so scared that all i'll find are remains. It's such a horrbile feeling. But the time that she usually cannabalizes the joey is right when it's ears start to pop open and the eyes open. It's really sad.

Anyways i was going to make the supplementing Formula. So all i do is mix the baby BML w/ the puppy milk. And heat it up. My baby BML is allready frozen so do i just take out one cube of it, thaw it out and then add the milk, and warm it up? How long does it usually last in the fridge for? I tried to weigh the joey on my dad's fish scale but the lowest it goes is 1 oz. What kind of scales do you use? I can't seem to find one that works? Tootsie sure seems to be making alot of noises at her joey right now and it's making me nervous. Almost like a crab, and it's not singing. She also seems to twitch alot almost like she has the hiccups, but she doesn't. Should i be worried? Thanks for your time and helping me out here it means alot
Sheena

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#26356 - 09/19/04 11:09 AM Re: it's a boy, & feeding questions!! [Re: ]
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Use only a 1/2 cube of the BML and then mix it with a teaspoon of already mixed puppy milk. Heat for about 12 to 15 seconds in the microwave. Stir and make sure it is not hot. Cover with Saran Wrap and put the mix in the frige when you are done feeding.

Digital Scale can be found at Osco or Wal-Mart. It is about $30. The scale does weights in oz. and grams.

The hipcup thing along with the chittering....is Mom trying to get the little one to unlatch as she is trying to tell the wee one dinner is over for now. This is normal behavior.

Congratulations on the arrival of the little boy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
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#26357 - 09/19/04 05:24 PM Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
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OMG help me, my poor lil boy was eaten. OMG i can't stop crying. It's all my fault. I knew i shouldn't of put Rollie back i knew it, but i did. I'm so stupid he ate the joey. I came home and he was eating my lil boy. I'm so scared it's all my fault. My dad is going to be so mad. He told me to keep them seperated but i didn't. OMG what am i gonna do. I'm so shaken up i thought for sure this one would survive. I was just going to make the food for it. Why does this have to happen to me..why <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" />...........

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#26358 - 09/19/04 05:29 PM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
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[:"#CC66FF"] Sheena I'm so sorry you lost your little baby. I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

Take Care,
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#26359 - 09/19/04 05:57 PM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Sooo sorry for you as I know how much you wanted this little guy to survive.

It is possible that the joey had died befor the male disposed of him.

My suggestion...is to neuter the male and just enjoy your pair of gliders as pets. This will end the pain and suffering for all involved.

Sending a big hug for comfort. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
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#26360 - 09/19/04 05:58 PM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
kati Offline
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Registered: 03/19/03
Posts: 720
Loc: NY
The babies death is not your fault. A number of differnt things could have gone wrong. I think you would have run the same risk by seperating them. If this is the 4rth time they have lost the joey you might want to think about neutering, then you will not have to go through the pain again.

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#26361 - 09/19/04 07:11 PM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
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Oh honey we are all very sad for your lost. Please don't cry. And most of all please don't blame yourself for the baby dieing nobody knew what was going to happen. NOT EVEN YOU. I know you feel bad but things will get better. Just enjoy your other two gliders as pets and think about getting dad fixed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" />

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#26362 - 09/19/04 07:21 PM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
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Please remember you cannot control the actions of the joeys parents, and that this joey may have died even if dad had been removed from the picture. Had it died from loss of heat due to him not being there to keep it warm, you would still be blaming yourself. There is only so much that you can intervene in these situations. You did all you could. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#26363 - 09/19/04 08:03 PM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: lillysmomma]
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Registered: 02/19/04
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> I am so sorry for your loss, Please don't think this is your fault, there could have been other reasons for this as Judie said, maybe the baby died before the father disposed of the the baby. My thoughts and prayers are with you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />


Edited by gliderdad79 (09/19/04 08:04 PM)
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#26364 - 09/19/04 08:55 PM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
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Oh you poor girl! If it makes you feel any better I had three joeys that were eaten by the mothers BECAUSE I took the father away. So you see, we can never know what will happen. Im sure this wasnt your fault. After all the pain you have gone through, i definitally agree that you should have your male fixed. Youve been through enough... Hope you feel better soon!

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#26365 - 09/19/04 09:39 PM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
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Thanks everyone. I know i shouldn't blame myself but it's hard not to. I just really thought this guy was going to make it i really did. I still feel like it is my fault. Even my family was like, i knew it, you should of kept Rollie seperated. I'm just so depressed, i can't even go in my room, i don't want to go to school or anything but i know i have too. THis one hurt more then any of the others. When i left to go visit my sisters's dog the joey was in the mom's pouch and was fine.I just don't know. I'm probably going to be neutering dad. Even though all i've ever wanted was a joey. Thanks for everything but no matter how much i try i can't stop crying. I think i'll be taking a break from the board as well. I love it here and all i really do, but it's just so depressing. Thanks for your kind words they do make me feel better.
Sheena

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#26366 - 09/24/04 11:02 AM Re: Oh god no...Baby died [Re: ]
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[:"magenta"]i hope your heart will heal in time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> i agree with the others. time to neuter the male. [/]

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