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#27628 - 10/18/04 05:10 PM Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay?
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I have never given the gliders any kind of nut due to things I have read online...

Recently, Lilly was climbing up and down my pantleg and wandered into my pocket. She emerged holding a pistachio that my cousin had given me earlier. She went completely insane. She usually eats food slowly and calmly.. not this. she had a death grip on it and she was eating so quickly that the entire thing was gone in a matter of seconds. Me, my husband and a friend were trying to get that thing away from her while she batted at us with her paw and chewed as quickly as possible. after eating it she became sweet, friendly and calm once again...

my question... is it ever okay to give the babies a nut? if so, what kind? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> obviously she loves them but I have never even considered letting any of them have one.

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#27629 - 10/18/04 06:58 PM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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Nuts are very high in fat but as a very very occasional treat I do give walnuts to my suggies. They love them.
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#27630 - 10/18/04 07:10 PM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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I'll be honest (mea culpa)--I give my gliders nuts every day. I've been an owner since 1999 and a licensed breeder for 3 years. I don't feed peanuts, tho, because I fear aflotoxins. I feed walnuts, almonds, and pecans. My gliders would be upset if they didn't get a nut every morning. Some are very selective, and will only eat one type of nut. I go into the room and shake the nut can, and they come out of their pouches and cling to the side of their cages. I have a couple of chunky gliders, but most of them are well within their weight limits. I own 15 gliders now, and only one doesn't like nuts. Mine also love grapes and raisins, and banana chips (occasionally) as treats.

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#27631 - 10/18/04 11:41 PM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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Pine nuts is another kind of nuts some like. I offer pecan pieces on occasion.

Cautions on nuts (other than the fat content): I'd recommend using unsalted, unseasoned nuts. My personal preference is raw nuts (health food store) that I freeze to keep fresh. Also, peanuts in the shell are where the risk of aflatoxins are. I don't believe its an issue in shelled roasted peanuts.

One other note, the only time we have had trouble feeding nuts was when one of our gliders was ill. We were giving him favorites so that he would eat. He choked on the nut (actually it was a sunflower seed). I had visions of having to do CPR, but he coughed it out. This could have happened with any food since he was ill, however, I personally would not feed them again if a glider wasn't feeling well (call me paranoid!!!)

~Lynn


Edited by ZacksMom (10/19/04 09:56 AM)

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#27632 - 10/19/04 04:21 AM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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[:"magenta"]i am not positive, but i think i read about a glider who died from eating a roasted peanut(aflatoxicosis). i could be mistaken, though. can anybody clear this up please? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> [/]

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#27633 - 10/19/04 10:29 AM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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Attached is a file I've saved with links to information about aflatoxins and also treatment possibilities in some farm animals. I may be wrong about the peanut shells -- I didn't see it mentioned in any of the articles.

A word of caution/encouragement about aflatoxins. From everything I've read they are pretty common in our environment. Also, my understanding is that they are pretty difficult to totally avoid. With food for human consumption, there are limits to the amount of aflatoxin contamination that is allowed by the government -- meaning that they are allowed into our food and that you and I probably consume them frequently. What that means is that even if your glider only ate human grade food, it still could be exposed to aflatoxins unintentionally. Whether we are talking corn, peanuts, tree nuts or whatever, the key imho is moderation and common sense. There is no way to totally protect a glider. Ozzy died of jaundice, and aflatoxins are one cause of jaundice. However, he never ate any of the key items that could cause aflatoxin poisoning. What this suggest to me is that some gliders may be more suseptible to the effects of aflatoxins. Chip ate the exact same foods and remained healthy.

I hope this helps --
~Lynn


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#27634 - 10/19/04 12:10 PM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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In the United States, aflatoxins have been identified in corn and corn products, peanuts and peanut products, cottonseed, milk, and tree nuts such as Brazil nuts, pecans, pistachio nuts, and walnuts. Other grains and nuts are susceptible but less prone to contamination. Raw nuts and even roasted nuts can be contaminated with aflatoxins depending on storage conditions.

How can one be sure that the nuts being given to their gliders do not contain aflatoxins? Just because the nuts are human-grade does not mean they are aflatoxin-free. So how can you eradicate aflatoxins in nuts? It's not as difficult as you might think. The steps involve:

1) Rinse the nuts in water first (a lot of mold is removed in this simple way).

2) Cover the nuts with water, add about 1/4 tsp. vitamin C powder (for a pint of nuts) and mix. Let stand for 5 minutes. The water penetrates the nuts, taking the vitamin C with it and the vitamin C neutralizes/detoxifies them.

3) Pour off the water and bake/roast the nuts in the oven at low heat (twenty to thirty minutes at 300 degrees Fahrenheit, stirring them frequently). This will also destroy the trypsin inhibitors (substances that inhibit or prevent the pancreas from producing trypsin which is an enzyme essential for the absorption of protein by the intestine) found in raw peanuts and tree nuts. DO NOT BURN THE NUTS or the result will be benzopyrene which is a carcinogenic organic compound produced by charring animal or plant matter.

4) If preferred, you can spray all nuts and seeds with a solution of 15-30 drops GSE [grapeseed extract] in 2-cups water to kill any aflatoxins mold or fungus that may be present. IF you choose this method, all nuts should still be baked/roasted afterwards as outlined above.

5) Store in refrigerator or freezer in an appropriate plastic container and/or plastic bag.

I personally never feed nuts/seeds not only due to possible aflatoxin issues but also because of two other concerns: intestinal blockage and possible lumpy jaw. However, I know many members do feed nuts and/or sunflower seeds on some type of basis (even if only as an occasional treat) and thus the reason I have posted the steps that can be taken to avoid mold/aflatoxin problems if your glider just has to have those nuts/sunflower seeds.

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#27635 - 10/19/04 05:02 PM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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Once again, Glideroo, you exhibit your wonderful knowledge in the glider kingdom. I always pay attention when you write. I didn't know that aflotoxins could be a problem in many nuts...I thought peanuts were the problem. I think my gliders would go 'on strike' if they weren't offered some sort of nut everyday. I have conditioned them to expect them. So far, they are fairing well...I hope it continues because my gliders love nuts. Again, almost every single glider gets a nut each day. Should I be doing something different? My guys (and gals)love them!

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#27636 - 10/20/04 05:50 AM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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Great way to protect our gliders-Glideroo! Thank you!

I had a client whose 3 month old glider passed away. I did a necropsy with tissue samples to the vet school. What came back astounded me--she died from toxic hepatitis. She was only 3 months old. My dad's (vet) concession was a possibility of two things-alflatoxins or some kind of cleaning product. I spoke with the clients, and they use only water on the cages--that leaves one thing--and YES--=they were feeding nuts. They did not prewash them to my knowledge. Food for thought-just not nuts!

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#27637 - 10/20/04 11:30 PM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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Speaking of nuts, my gliders won't eat them! They won't eat mealies either! I don't know why! Are they not old enough to like them? I dunno! I thought all gliders loved nuts. Mine seem to go nuts over things that are green, such as Fresh green beans. Are my suggies just weird?

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#27638 - 10/21/04 03:47 AM Re: Nuts... a story and a question.. is it ever okay? [Re: ]
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[:"magenta"] one thing which concerns me is that aflatoxins are found in milk. i drink alot of that, and when i get gliders, i imagine they will take a taste of it sometimes. unless gliders hate milk (i wonder about that.)

also, what's this about vit c? i read on another thread to use it on fruit. i had no idea it could neutralize and detoxify contaminated foods. where do you get it? crush up a vit c pill? [/]

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