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#280216 - 05/06/07 05:11 PM Color breeders, I have a ???
krysKritters Offline
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I know this question has been ask and answered probley 100 times, sorry I can't seem to find it.

I am curious what are the odds that 2 leu 100% hets will produce a leu?

Is it 1 in 4???

Or is it luck of the draw, maybe they will and maybe they won't???

Anyone have a 100% het paired up? what have you gotten so far?

(FYI... I have none of the above, I am currently owned by BBs grin )
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#280226 - 05/06/07 05:33 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: krysKritters]
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Yes, you are correct. 1 out of every 4 (or 25%) of the joeys will be leucistic with 2 100% leu het parents.

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#280236 - 05/06/07 05:58 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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I have one pair of 110% leu hets. Dad also has a wf.

So far this is what they have had.

2 wfb boys, poss. 66% hets

And right now, 1 boy, looks like a grey and 1 wfb sex unknown so far.
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#280238 - 05/06/07 06:02 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: queenduck]
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110% Huh??? lol
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#280249 - 05/06/07 06:28 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: princessmegi]
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OK, that is what I mean... statistically it is 25% chance but they could have 5 or 6 joeys all hets before they have a leu (or never have a leu).

In other words it is not 1 of every 4 JOEYS is a leu but each joey has a 1 in 4 chance of being a leu. Right?
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#280250 - 05/06/07 06:29 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: krysKritters]
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Yes. I believe that's correct. There is no guarantee that you'll ever get a leu.
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#280272 - 05/06/07 07:13 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: princessmegi]
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110%, typo. LOL. Yep, it won't be every 1 in 4, look at me, I have had 4 and no leu. Peggy got one on her first try.
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#280278 - 05/06/07 07:29 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: queenduck]
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You are correct that it is a 1/4 chance of each joey being a leu. You are never guaranteed to get a leu.

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#280331 - 05/06/07 08:17 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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Two 100% leu hets will average about 25% BEW babies over their lifetime together. Out of 24 joeys, 6 should be white. They could have 18 hets then 6 BEWs. I remember Sheila saying that one of her pairs had 6 normal joeys and then 2 white, so that would still be 25% (2 out of 8).

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#280348 - 05/06/07 08:30 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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Got it.

GizmosGal, that is kinda what I wanted to know. (I guess I should have asked it better.)

Could 2 hets NEVER have any leus? I guess that says it better...

Queenduck... roflmao I didn't even see that the first time, where can I get a 110% het (JK) grin
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#280350 - 05/06/07 08:31 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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I had Snuggle (66% leu het) and Bug (100% Leu Het) together and Snuggle proved himself to be a 100% Leu het first go around. They gave me One Leu and One Leu Het. grin

Thats cause they love me! roflmao
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#280353 - 05/06/07 08:33 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: Srlb]
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WOW! That was some luck. clap
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#280365 - 05/06/07 08:44 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: krysKritters]
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What about a lue x 100% het. That's a 50% chance right? Well what if you have a 66% het and a lue and the 66% het proves out. Then he's officialy 100% het right? Will their babies still have a 50% chance?

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#280381 - 05/06/07 09:05 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
gliderlover1 Offline
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ouch.. you're making my head hurt.. lol
Actually I'm really curious about all this too.
Ok. so if 25% is lue and %50 het.. what is the other 25%??
oh, and what is the difference with a lue and a BEW? I thought that was the same and Albino was the red eyed. See.. I'm confused. heehee

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#280384 - 05/06/07 09:07 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
princessmegi Offline
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A leu is a black eyed glider with white fur. BEW=Black Eyed White. Just 2 names for the same coloring. Albino has red/pink eyes.
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#280386 - 05/06/07 09:09 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: princessmegi]
princessmegi Offline
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Also a glider can't be part leu/ part het. It is either leu or leu het. Het just means they carry the leu gene. And the % is the chance that they carry it. A 50% het has a 50% chance of carrying the gene.
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#280417 - 05/06/07 09:50 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: GizmosGal
Two 100% leu hets will average about 25% BEW babies over their lifetime together. Out of 24 joeys, 6 should be white. They could have 18 hets then 6 BEWs. I remember Sheila saying that one of her pairs had 6 normal joeys and then 2 white, so that would still be 25% (2 out of 8).

No, I ment she said there would be 25% chance of white, 50% would be hets and what would the other 25% be? That's what I meant. I knew you can't be a part het and part leu. Just didn't say it right I guess.

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#280418 - 05/06/07 09:52 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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I think she meant there's a 25% BEW and 75% hets.
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#280423 - 05/06/07 09:58 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: princessmegi]
gliderlover1 Offline
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ok, so where do Mosaics come from? They seem like they would be maybe from a leu? I was thiking maybe they would be the other 25%?

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#280434 - 05/06/07 10:14 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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Actually, when two 100% leu hets mate, their joeys will have 25% chance of being a leu, 50% chance of being a leu het and 25% chance of not carrying the gene at all. I don't think it would be very likely that 2 hets would NEVER produce a leu. Over their breeding lifetime, if they really are 100% hets, there would have to be some white babies in there somewhere.

Mosaics are a completely different gene.

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#280435 - 05/06/07 10:15 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
princessmegi Offline
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Thanks I didn't realize that... smile

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#280436 - 05/06/07 10:16 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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25% White
25% Grey
50% Hets

The reason we call the offspring 66% possible hets is because we are only counting the grey babies. Because 25% are white and are obviously not hets that only leaves 3/4 of the babies being possible hets.

So two out of three being hets is 66%.


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#280439 - 05/06/07 10:20 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: princessmegi]
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Megi, that is why every gray joey out of 2 het parents is called a 66% het. There is a 66% chance that they carry the gene and a 33% chance that they don't. Otherwise all gray joeys from hets would be 100% hets.

leu x leu = leu joey 100% of the time

leu x leu het = leu joey 50% of the time (all gray joeys would be 100% hets)

leu het x leu het = leu joey 25% of the time (all gray joeys would be 66% hets)

leu x normal = 0 leu joeys, but all joeys would be 100% hets

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#280441 - 05/06/07 10:24 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: LupusBeau
What about a lue x 100% het. That's a 50% chance right? Well what if you have a 66% het and a lue and the 66% het proves out. Then he's officialy 100% het right? Will their babies still have a 50% chance?


Yes, if a 66% proves out, he is no longer considered a 50% het, but a 100% het.

Since one of them is a leu, all joeys would be 100% hets, regardless on whether the mate is a leu het or a normal. (Unless, of course, the joeys is white from a het mate.)

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#280445 - 05/06/07 10:32 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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Where is the mosacis from.From what breedings and where did the plats. come from and ringtails too.what do you breed to what to get these? I think I know but I want to be sure.I use to be in the cat fancy so I understand alot of this.Can any one enlighten me any?

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#280479 - 05/06/07 11:01 PM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: skylinechile]
Anonymous
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Mosaics in the US originate from wild caught mosaics. Mosaics are also capable of producing platinum and ringtails. You can have a white mosaic, a plat. mosaic, a ringtail mosaic, etc. With mosaics, you only need one parent to display the gene in order to produce mosaics. There is no such thing as a mosaic het. Not every offspring of a mosaic will be mosaic, though.

It is also possible to have a platinum that is not mosaic. Platinum has popped up randomly. Sheila produced one with a wf and a leu het.

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#280562 - 05/07/07 01:08 AM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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Wild caught gliders??? What state was this? Wow.. I don't know what else to say...

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#280572 - 05/07/07 01:18 AM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
SugarBaby22 Offline
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I have Comet & Stardust..

Comet was a 50% possible Leucistic het.. and Stardust, being the only daughter of my Stuart (RIP heart ) is a 100% het.

Last July they had their first joey, a single Leucistic female..so Comet proved out and is now also a 100% Leucistic het.

Then in December they had twins, a Leucistic female and a possible 66% het male.

laugh Some people have all Leucistics.. some get 1 Leucistic and 1 het.. some people get all hets.

I guess it's the luck of the draw? wink
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#280573 - 05/07/07 01:19 AM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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ok.. what's the difference between platinum and mosaic?
And what is a lion. Sorry.. lots of questions.

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#280575 - 05/07/07 01:23 AM Re: Color breeders, I have a ??? [Re: ]
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Wild caught is generally Indonesia or Australia. Not wild caught in the US.
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