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#2834 - 01/07/02 10:14 PM Gliders And Parasites
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I would just like to advise all glider owners, but most imortant those who are soon to be glider owners to really research where and what their gliders are coming from. Unfortunately I did not, and bought mine from a pet store that I later found out is notoriuos for poor care in sugar gliders. They sold me a baby that had gotten a parasite from its mother(along with 15 others). It got very sick and as if those little guys aren't expensive enough, I spent a fortune at the vet ridding it of it's parasite. Not to mention feeding your new baby, who is already terrified enough of you, though a suringe every 12 hours for a week doesn't exactly help the bonding process. By the way, if your looking for a sugar glider, especially in Austin, TX, STAY AWAY from Herpeton Exotic Pets-- They suck!! []images/icons/blush.gif" border="0[/]

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#2835 - 01/08/02 02:18 AM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: Anonymous]
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You were very fortunate you took your glider to a vet an in time. But your little one sounds like he is on his way to recovery. You will be a very good glider parent. <p>It is a proven fact that Sugar Gliders purchased from a Pet Store 55% of them will die before they are year old. This is from lack of knowledge of proper diet and poor husbandry skills as gliders are prone to bacterial infections. Many of these infections are from cross contamination from other animals in the store such as cats, dogs, hamsters and birds that are ill with them. <p><<<Glider Hugs>>> <img src="graemlins/read.gif" border="0" alt="read" />
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#2836 - 01/08/02 10:49 AM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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Judie: Concur with you that at least 55% of Sugar Gliders purchased from a Pet Store will die before they are year old due to lack of knowledge of proper diet and poor husbandry skills by petstores in general.<p>Then there are the petstores where 99.9% die before they're even 6 months OOP. Case in point is my Tyler. He was purchased from a pet store 3 years ago by my daughter. Of course, the pet store made it sound so easy to care for them: give cat food & some fruits/veggies. Fortunately for Tyler, something just didn't seem right about the pet store's advice & my daughter got online & did some research on gliders & a diet change was implemented. <p>About 9 months ago, I visited this pet store & had Tyler with me in his bonding pouch. I saw the man who had sold Tyler to my daughter & when I mentioned the fact he'd sold a glider to my daughter, he started to back away from me which seemed strange. I then opened Tyler's pouch & out jumped Tyler. The guy was surprised & his exact words were: "He's still alive?" I then learned that every glider they had sold in their store (except for Tyler) had died before they even reached one year OOP including the one this guy had personally owned. When I asked him to describe the glider's symptoms prior to death, they were the typical symptoms of HLP but this guy had no idea what HLP was or that it was diet-related. The only good thing I learned from this jerk was that they no longer sell gliders because they didn't want to bother with an animal that required so much care.

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#2837 - 01/09/02 02:27 AM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Glideroo, the 55% is an average. Not all gliders die when purchased from a pet store. Some owners are lucky enough to find a vet, books, and web sites of where there is some good information provided the owner will take the time to research. On one hand I feel the Pet Store should be able to provide the proper things required for the gliders in order to sell them as many people will purchase a glider as a compulsive purchase. And on the other hand the buyer should attempt to learn something about what he has just purchased or about to purchase just to be on the safe side. After all, purchasing from a pet store a glider is usually high ticket. Gliders in my area sell for $250-$300 in a pet store. Kansas they are as high as $350 for one glider. This is without any other merchandise.<p>My very first gliders came from a pet store. Sold me packaged food that later I threw out. Then I also purchased Carolyn's book. From here I did her diet for two years with glider aid on the side. Did the ratio thing to balance out the calcium and phosphates to try to keep a 2:1. My gliders were very healthy.<p>But to raise babies as a breeder I needed to re-do the diet thing as not everyone understood the ratios of Calcium to Phosphates. Too risky when selling babies. <p>The world of the internet was a great tool here. And with this the BML diet was found. Jackpot! <p>Personally, I do not sell any babies to the pet stores. Too many do not know anything about nutrition, sell improper housing and the list goes one. When I see gliders be it adults or babies being sold in Pet Stores I cringe out of fear for what lies ahead for them. <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" />
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#2838 - 01/09/02 09:08 PM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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Judie- It's funny becuase I actually did make the mistake of buying my glider on an impulse. Luckily, the situation turned out to completely ideal for my lifestyle and personality. It does make me very sad though that so many little babies are not going to have good lives. At least I saved one though, that's part of the reason when I found out he was sick I didn't just return it. But what you said about the pet stores knowlege is ridiculous. I recently found out that the [censored] they sold me and passed off as glider food should actually not be any part of normal gliders diets. They also had no books or anything on them. It is very sad.

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#2839 - 01/13/02 01:44 AM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: Anonymous]
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ok now, Jules, I am so very sorry about your glider, mine too had the parasite called trichomonus.. but its not Herpeton to blame for it this, I have been looking into this, for one because I work at herpeton South location, and have been looking into what is actually happening with our babies.. I believe one of our breeders in Dallas who suppplies us with the glider got new gliders that had the parasite and the mother or little guys some how caught it and were sent right over to us before they even knew it. When we first got them, it was in the begining stages, because they had not even a trace of any diahrea or dehydration, then mine started getting it and I took her to the vet and had to pay 80 for fluids and anti-biotic.. all tho this parasite is not potentioly fatel, and the only real concern is dehydration.. I am still very sorry and I'm trying to speak with all the managers about getting this settled, because many people who bought the christmas batch of gliders were comming in, and I was actually glad I had the experience with my glider, and knew what to tell them to do..And now she is doing absolutely great!! []images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/]
Please don't be upset with just our store because one of our breeders gave us some sick babies.. I actually think herpeton is one of the best pet stores, (for being a pet store) everyone that works there really is concerned and caring for the animals and tend to them as best as we can with what we have, i've actually learn SOOO much from being there, they do know a lot, most of them have tons of animals at home, I am a snake person but anyway.. its one of the best jobs I've had.. okay now I think I've said enough! I hope you don't think we suck THAT much anymore []images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0[/] <p>Also we actually have a few books on Sugar gliders at our store.. you just have to look, and some know more about the gliders then others, just people who love animals that want to work at a pet store. []images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/]<p>[ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: Iroc z Python ]</p>

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#2840 - 01/15/02 09:09 AM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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Wow, ok, well.. I wish I read that a couple of days ago, but I just got on this board. Last Friday I got my first little baby glider, from the Herpton's in Austin... so far, she's been doing great, already attached to me. She came from the north Austin location, the second to last one left. I think I'll end up taking her in this weekend to the vet just to get checked out. What vet did you take her to? I found one that dealing with exotic pets on south Lamar, but I was wondering if you might know of one closer to me (I'm off of 183 and I35???) Thanks!!! <p>Ashley and TinkerBell "Tink"

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#2841 - 01/15/02 09:13 AM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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Just to add something really quickly Jules... I actually did notice that she had a little diarrea when I first got her, but I figured the pet store wasn't feeding her right. After a day or so of being fed properly, I noticed everything seemed to be normal and as it should. But I had gone to that same store two days before and was playing with another little girl, and she had the same problem... interesting...

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#2842 - 01/15/02 08:02 PM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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Ashley, I am not sure of a vet nearer to you, I know there is a Bird and pet vet on wesgate an S. Lamar, which is the one you were talking about I think, but they are pretty reputable and are fully aware of the parasite problem..
Also just to let you know the glider food we feed them, tho it isn't a complete and balanced diet, it would not cause them to have diarhea, and we only have the gliders from a few hours to a few days before they are all bought, its sad tho.. so many people just buy them on impulse becasue they are cute and want a pet, and not even bother to do research on them, if you do your reseach you wouldnt even need any silly basic book on them.. when you go to a petstore, ask questions dont just buy, even if the petstore people dont know, the head managers should, ask them to find out, ask them about their breeders.. all captive born gliders come from breeders, whether it be from breeders directly or from pet stores.. and that is for everyone to know.

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#2843 - 01/16/02 12:28 PM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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The vet sounds good to me, it was the one I was planning on registering her at anyway. That should work well. I did research on sugar gliders for about three months before I bought my little girl, which was a big help. I rented out a book from the library and make copies of some of the information, but I never bought the book from the store. I'm not quite sure why both girls I looked at had diarrea, I assumed at the time it was due to the moving around and traveling and probably being scared, so I got her anyway. Well, I'm glad I did! She's the most wonderful little thing ever! She's learned that if she wants to sleep with me at night she'll hang from the top of her cage and bark at me until I get her. Then she falls right to sleep on my chest. It's very precious! Thanks for all the info! <p>Ash and Tink

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#2844 - 01/20/02 10:18 AM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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I'm sorry for the misfortune & I hope your gliders gets better (which I'm sure he will []images/icons/wink.gif" border="0[/] ). I have done my research & I never get my pets froma petstore. I either get them from breeders, shelters like the humane society, the paper (only if the people selling are responsible, & rescues. I really don't like pet stores []images/icons/mad.gif" border="0[/]

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#2845 - 02/05/02 03:51 AM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
Bourbon Offline
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Registered: 04/01/99
Posts: 5333
Loc: Bee-Bopping round SnakePit USA
Jules, I am glad your little one is doing better..
I commend you for making that extra step and costs of course to keep your little one alive<p>Iroc Although I commend you on the care of your glider, and finding out what the problem is as well as trying to speak with the management, the facts remain that the people that purchased the gliders did so in good faith, Jules wasn't the only one who spent a fortune, a few others did as well, and yet even more lost their gliders.<p>As far as that parasite being fatal, that all depends on how you look at it, anything that can eventually take down a glider is fatal, dehydration is not something that most impulse buyers would look for even if they knew how. When petshops sell gliders, few ever consider on whether or ot that buyer knows anything about what they are doing.<p>Being Usda Licensed, means also the breeder you purchased them from should be as well, which also means the gliders should have been vet checked. either by the breeder, or by the store.<p>Now the store, being that it is their reputation on the line, should vet check them as a precautionary measure, they are bringing them into a place where other animals are housed. Thus jeopardizing those other animals (if nothing else by the employees who handle, water and feed them all)<p>someone here must assume responsibility for the vet fees/and or gliders that were lost. whether it is the breeder (yeah right that will never happen) or the petstore they were purchased from.<p>Problem being around Christmas, many of these big breeders only think of the money, the stores only think of the impulse buying season. but now you have customers (last I heard were a buisnesses best advertiser) who are seriously disgruntled with just cause. Too bad you don't have a petshop, for I believe in my heart, that this would have already been handled satisfactory.<p>As a side note, Herpetons has been on my list of places I would ever suggest for many years and many reasons, as this is not the first time something like this has happened. Those owners were never taken care of, nor were the gliders, and that is something that can not be changed now.<p>Jules on the bright side for you, something can be done, it may not be financial, but you can be sure this doesn't happen again. I am going to start telling those that have already emailed me regarding this exactly what they need to know to get USDA involved. The texas breeders and petshops have taken advantage of the fact that the agents don't make their rounds as often as they should, now is the time to let USDA know what is happening to the animals they are suppposed to be protecting in Texas..<p>Judie don't forget to add flea markets and trade shows in there as well, we are gathering the info on those gliders here that also had the parasites, and finally there is light at the end of the tunnel, the vets are getting involved here as well, due to the lack of immune system in these little ones the vets are furious.<p>[ 02-05-2002: Message edited by: Bourbon ]</p>
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#2846 - 02/05/02 02:46 PM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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I totally agree. Good breeders would make it right. Bad breeders and pet stores never seem to. Now I am not saying all pet stores (even though I do not feel a glider should have be in one) are bad, because we have one here locally that is great (they realize that gliders do not belong in a pet store).This parasite issue needs to be dealt with from where it first started so that this doesn't happen again. I also feel that the pet store should be responsible for all the vet bills, because if they had done the right thing these joeys never would have left their store sick in the first place. If they are not licensed to sell exotics then they need to be stopped. I bought my first girl from a pet store ( impulse buy)and didn't have clue one. I was sent home with a bird cage and parrot food. THank God for Bourbon's site. Regardless Bonnie died before she was 1 1/2 years old because of the diet she was fed when I got her. So just because you get your glider through this unfortunately it may not mean a lot in the end. []images/icons/frown.gif" border="0[/] I pray that she has a long and happy life. My female was 7mo when I got her so she had been on the bad diet for a long time already. People have no clue the harm they are inflicting by just feeding the wrong diet. The good breeders and pet stores will have them on a balanced diet and will be able to tell you everything you need to know about a sugar glider before they leave the store or the breeders house. All the right information that is. I just thank God there is a place like this for people who are fed all the wrong information. This site helps tons of people. Great Job <img src="graemlins/exclamation.gif" border="0" alt="[Exclamation]" /> <img src="graemlins/exclamation.gif" border="0" alt="[Exclamation]" /> <img src="graemlins/exclamation.gif" border="0" alt="[Exclamation]" />
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#2847 - 02/05/02 03:28 PM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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Iroc, do you know the breeder Herpeton gets their gliders from? <p>Bourbon, you mentioned the trade show and flea market gliders having the same parasite, and that makes me think of the "sugar glider mill" down there in Texas. Is it the gliders from this breeder that are sick? If so, I just talked to this particular breeder's USDA rep. I could call her again anytime and start bugging her to do something. I'm not above being a pest if it will help a little.

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#2848 - 02/05/02 04:03 PM Re: Gliders And Parasites [Re: ]
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no we are having a problem with it here..
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