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#29503 - 11/14/04 07:25 PM Is my glider sick?
Anonymous
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Hi,

We got a new glider yesterday, he is 8 weeks old and is the sweetest thing that I have ever seen.

He has been awesome, no crabbing, actually loves being held and loves the interaction.

Last night, he didn't drink a whole lot and didn't eat as much as I would have liked..but he did still eat some and drink some. I think that he was just getting used to the new environment.

This morning, I woke up and he was doing fine. He is VERY laid back naturally. He was sitting on my wifes shirt this morning, and for some reason, he got up around her neck and then sprayed this terrible skunk like smell...I had never smelt it before. Then he arched his tail up over his head while he was standing there.

He calmed down, and went back to sleep after I placed him in his pouch.

Every since then, I have been concerned.

1) He has no balance, he takes a couple of steps and he falls over. He has not fallen at all, not gotten tangled up in anything, I don't understand it. Could he still not have a lot of balance because he is 8 weeks?

2) He drank a good amount of water this morning, but still, when I pull up his skin around his neck..it stands up. I don't know how much of this is the fact that he is 8 weeks and not grown into his skin yet. I don't THINK that he is dehydrated, but I am not 100% sure.

3) He has eaten a little more today, not any BML yet though, just some grapes.

Do I have reason to be concerned? His breathing seems to be okay, his body temp is not cold. He is just very lethargic, and WANTS to be held. If I place him down, he crawls over to me. But when he moves, it is almost like he is drunk...just like he doesn't have control.

He has been up a little more than a glider normally would be today, and was up a lot yesterday. Is it possible that he is just exhausted? Am I overreacting? I just don't know what to do and I am very concerned.

I appreciate your help.

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#29504 - 11/14/04 07:48 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Lucy Offline
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Registered: 02/14/01
Posts: 7354
Loc: Lexington, KY
This is probably something that needs pretty urgent attention. Some of this could be your glider getting acclimated to a new environment, but gliders naturally don't take a few steps and fall over, and aren't dehydrated. Do you know what diet he was on before he came to you? Added to lethargy -- and that all makes me think e probably is sick, and needs pretty urgent help.

The dehydration is the #1 problem here. If he continues to be dehydrated, he could go downhill quickly. I would look for an emergency vet tonight, and have them check for:

1. fecal smear and float, to rule out parasites or bacterial infestation -- then there may be other interventions based on the results of that exam
2. Ask the vet if subcutaneous injections for possible calcium deficiency (the imbalance may very well related to a calcium deficiency) are warranted

If he wasn't dehydrated, I might still take him in tonight, or definitely tomorrow. But the dehydration needs urgent attention. Even for gliders in a new home, this isn't a normal presentation.
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#29505 - 11/14/04 07:59 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
the gliders angel Offline
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Registered: 08/08/01
Posts: 3060
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take hi in as lucy says for a check up also get him on a proven diet like bourbons leadbeaters diet it is the best and ive been using it for 7 yrs. its fed along with fruits/veggies. if the skin stays up hes dehydrated and needs d5w fluid at once when they dehydrate its very serious and death can happen very quickly if not treated asap. also your vet might want to give him a shot of calcium neocalglucon then get him on the BML diet plan.

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#29506 - 11/14/04 08:29 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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My wife is taking him to the vet right now.

He is currently on the BML plan, his prev owner fed it to him, and it is what we are doing as well. He just wouldn't eat a whole lot of it last night.

He wouldn't drink a lot last night, and I kept getting the water bottle down from the cage and was trying to get him to drink it...he would drink a little. Then go to sleep. What is the best way to get them to drink when they aren't really wanting too?

I really hope that he does okay.

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#29507 - 11/14/04 08:42 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


I'm glad you went ahead and didn't wait till morning to get him to the vet. Keep us posted on what the vet says.

When a glider needs extra fluids, there are several options. The vet may give sub-cutaneous (sub-q) fluids and sometimes will recommend you do it at home.

When Ozzy was dehydrated, we found that offering him fluids in a syringe was easiest for us. We used watered down Gliderade. Gave it to him every 1 1/2 - 2 hours round the clock. Other options include diluted nectar (like apricot or guava nectar you purchase at the grocery store). Also people offer pediolyte or gaterade.

Once you know what the vet says, you'll have a better idea of what the next steps are. Good luck,

~Lynn

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#29508 - 11/14/04 08:52 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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let us know if your baby is okay, I'd like to hear more about it because I get worried about others gliders

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#29509 - 11/14/04 09:40 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: idunno123]
Anonymous
Unregistered


When I got my glider, the breeder sent home a little gliderade to give her every night the first few weeks. From reading on the Suncoast website, I guess gliderade is often given to gliders when they are undergoing a stress like moving to a new home. So maybe the problem yours is having is the reason why. Hopefully, your vet will be able to help with the dehydration, if that's what it is, and you will be able to get back on track! Please keep us posted!

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#29510 - 11/14/04 09:50 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: idunno123]
Anonymous
Unregistered


Well, he just got back from the vet. He is doing better, still a litte weak. The vet did some blood work and said that his sugar levels were very low. He gave him a glucose mix through a syringe. He took it like a champ and my wife said that he was instantly reenergized. He is still acting a little weak, and the vet said that this was normal. We need to continue to give him this mix every 2 hours through the night tonight.

Here is the mix

1.5 cups froctose (I am assuming sugar), 1.5 cups sucrose (brown sugar) and 0.5 cups glucose mixed with 2 L of warm water.

The thing is, I don't know how to get the glucose? He says that it is commercially available through mixes from Roudybush, or Nekton-Produkte...but I can't really buy this stuff right now...does anyone have any other suggestions?

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#29511 - 11/14/04 10:14 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


I'm looking at my gliderade (actually "Sugar Glider Nectar", but same thing) and the first two ingredients are sucrose and dextrose, but then it goes into dried skimmed milk, dried whey, soy flour, soy protein isolate, and about 30 other things. So it doesn't have glucose either, but I wonder if it would be good to use if you have any or know another glider owner nearby who does? I know they love it, so if nothing else, it will help get more fluid down him.

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#29512 - 11/14/04 10:25 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


Well, I don't really know anybody around here that I could get some gliderade from tonight. It is getting a little late. We have just been trying to mush up some fruit, mix it in water, and give it to him through a syringe right now. He is doing much better, even climbing his cage on his own...if you can believe that!

I will try to get some gliderade tomorrow. Do you have to order it via mail? Or can you buy it in stores?

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#29513 - 11/14/04 10:37 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
hipbchik Offline
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Registered: 02/16/04
Posts: 2470
Loc: Tucson, AZ
AngieH is in Irving (she runs a Glider Rescue there), she can probably tell you some place locally to get Gliderade. I'll PM her with a link to your post; In the meantiume, you can dilute apple juice also...they seem to really go after it, & you can pick it up anywhere.
Hang in there, we'll get you hooked up! Oh, & welcome to GC!!
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#29514 - 11/14/04 10:42 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


I actually talked to Angie on the phone tonight while the whole situation was going down. She has my number, my name is Jeremy, I will try to call her tomorrow and see if she knows where I can get some.

I think that he is just really annoyed with me right now. The vet said that he would be really lethargic and tired for the next 24 hours. I am worried about him and keep checking on him..I think that he just wants to sleep.

I called the vet back, and he told me to just use some sugar (fructose), brown sugar (sucrose), mush up a banana (high in glucose) mix with water and feed him that way and he shuold be fine. What do you guys think about that?

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#29515 - 11/14/04 10:42 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
Just FYI:
-Fructose is the sugar found in fruits and honey, not table sugar.
-Glucose is also known as dextrose or corn sugar. You can extract is from corn, other grains, and potatoes.
-Sucrose is table sugar or brown sugar (which in the USA is just normal sugar mixed with a little molasses). It is made by a glucose and a fructose bonding together.

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#29516 - 11/14/04 10:44 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


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Just FYI:
-Fructose is the sugar found in fruits and honey, not table sugar.
-Glucose is also known as dextrose or corn sugar. You can extract is from corn, other grains, and potatoes.
-Sucrose is table sugar or brown sugar (which in the USA is just normal sugar mixed with a little molasses). It is made by a glucose and a fructose bonding together.

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So, you think if I diluted some apple juice, a mushed banana and some brown sugar that it would be okay for him?

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#29517 - 11/14/04 10:45 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
But I would of course go with your vet's recommendation on the mix, even if she used the wrong chemical names. (see post below). You could also try to get ahold of one of the Mods - especially Bourbon who knows so much about glider diets.


Edited by SarahW (11/14/04 10:47 PM)

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#29518 - 11/14/04 10:46 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
SarahW Offline
Glider Lover

Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
I don't know, what exactly did you vet say to do? If she just said to mix fructose, glucose, and sucrose, then your mix with the apple juice sounds good. If she gave your specific ingredients, go with those.

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#29519 - 11/14/04 10:51 PM Re: Is my glider sick? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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The vet didn't give me specific ingredients.

he told me to use a "nectar mix" that is commercially available from "Roudybush", etc. But I can't get that right now.

On the hand out that he gave me though, under "nectar mix", there is a recipe that says 1.5 cups fructose, 1.5 cups sucrose, 0.5 cups gluscose mixed with 2 L of warm water.

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#29520 - 11/14/04 10:59 PM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
I would check with a moderator or breeder just to make sure, but I think your apple juice, brown sugar, and banana mix should be fine in the right ratios. You might have to add a little calcium to your glider's diet over the next few days, because none of those ingredients has a positive Ca:Ph ratio. I'm changing the post's name a little to alert the moderators that they need to read this one and get back to you.

I hope everything works out for you and your little one!!! I'm sure it will, but I will be sending positive thoughts your way all night!!!

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#29521 - 11/14/04 11:05 PM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


Thanks for all of the help, I really appreciate it. I am going to TRY to get some sleep now. I have got to be up in 2 hours to feed him (CoCo) again. The poor little guy is just zonked. He is laying at the bottom of his cage now sleeping.

Our family appreciates all of the positive thoughts. I am looking forward to hearing from the moderators. I had shoulder surgery about 2 weeks again, and have rehab in the morning. Luckily, on the days that I have scheduled rehab, I have scheduled the day off of work..so I will be here all day tomorrow with CoCo.

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#29522 - 11/14/04 11:43 PM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


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He is laying at the bottom of his cage now sleeping.

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Is he in a pouch or is the room nice and warm? I wouldn't want him to get chilled on top of everything else! Also, since he seems to be very comfortable with you, rather than leaving him in his cage and checking on him all the time, maybe you can put him in a bonding pouch down your shirt tomorrow (obviously not now since you're going to bed). That'll be nice and toasty for him and you'll be able to keep a close watch on him.

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#29523 - 11/15/04 02:38 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Judie Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 10/25/01
Posts: 9173
Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Personaly, I feel this little one needs to be taken to more knowledgable vet.

He needs to have a fecal float done with a cytology. He sounds like he may have a bacterial or fungial problem developing in his upper GI tract due to stress of having been pulled from his parents as well as going to a new home.

vet can rehydrate the little one with D5w (which is 5% Dextrose in normal saline water given sub-q) to help give him a jump start. However, his interest in eating may be supressed due to being ill to his tummy and GI tract and thus may need an antibiotic to help get him over the hump. If he has runny stool...he may need an oral calcium supplement if he has a bacterial issue for a week or so till well.

At his age...he should consume the BML willingly befor eating any fruits and veggies. You can dilute the BML with a few drops of water so you can feed him with an insuline syringe. Get three or four of them from the vet. Feed him every four hours and keep him warm as well by pouching him under your shirt. Cold babies cannot digest their food and thus will not be able to eat.

Suggestion...locate another vet ASAP who is willing to treat this glider for know cause of illness.


Edited by Judie (11/15/04 02:44 AM)
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#29524 - 11/15/04 03:14 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Sheila Offline
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Registered: 02/05/00
Posts: 5363
Loc: Ok
I agree with Judie. A lot of times the breeders say they are 8 weeks old, but actually have not been fully weaned. If they are not gradually weaned they don't eat for the first few days and become dehydrated. That is when their sugar levels become low also and they can become hypoglocemic very quickly. Does the glider show a good hard stool? That is important and might tell whether there is a bacteria present. A good vet would look for that upon examination. Gliderade is to be given as a treat, which is only once or twice a week, but in your case might get the glider to start eating. I would suggest the BML on my website because it is much sweeter because of the sweetpotatoes and cranapple juice added to it. Do not use canned apple juice, but motts or treetop which is to be refrigerated. If you have trouble finding the yogurt milk, it is at albertsons in a four pack. Walmart does not usually carry it in most areas, but if you cannot find it, ask your Walmart manager to order it for you. We do sell gliderade by the way in a small package and a large jar.
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#29525 - 11/15/04 03:26 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Sheila- That is a good point about the age.

When I got Monster, I was told that she was 8-9 weeks. Later, I found out that she was more than likely 5-6 weeks. Luckily, I got her to a vet right away when I discovered that the woman I got her from was not a breeder as she told me but a broker for a mill out of Texas. I had some trouble getting her to eat at first, but now she's healthy & happy.

**DEFINATELY find a vet that is experienced with gliders!

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#29526 - 11/15/04 06:55 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I hope CoCo is doing better this morning. I have been concerned. I know the person that CoCo came from, she is a a GC member who really loves her babies, so I am sure he was 8 weeks out of pouch.
I would advise a recheck if his condition is not greatly improved in the morning. Dr. Murry-972-247-2221 or City vet-214-219-2838. I would also advise you to handfeed him for a while and keep him on you, either in a pouch or your shirt. Please let me know how he is doing, and call me anytime. I am usually home except for taking my son to school which only takes a few minutes in the morning.
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#29527 - 11/15/04 07:25 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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**You can get glucose at any Rx! It can be purchased over the counter in tablet, liquid, and gel forms for diabetics.**

I have a glider that has problems with his blood sugar and I keep some glucose gel on hand at all times. It comes in various flavors and you can either allow the glider to lick it or mix it with a little warm water and feed it with a syringe.

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#29528 - 11/15/04 08:15 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Well, after the improvements last night, CoCo isn't doing much better. I have him now, in a pouch next to me.

He is taking his "glucose" mix every 2 hours and did so throughout the night. He is taking it like a champ. He just still will not get up and has no energy. I feel so sorry for him because he is being so sweet.

I agree about taking him to another vet. Problem is, and this is embarassing to say, but after spending $175 last night at the emergency clinic and the other expenses that hit me on bringing CoCo into our home...I flat cannot afford to take him to a vet again. Saying that I can't afford, isn't even the right word...I would spend my last penny taking him to the vet. Does anyone know if any of those vets that Angie mentioned take a payment plan of any kind? I just do not know what else to do. I feel like that vet last night kind of screwed us.

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#29529 - 11/15/04 08:52 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Can you call the breeder who you bought him from. I can't find her number, but she should he able to give you some direction. You may be able to take the joey back to her so she can get it medical care. I know when I got my first glider she was very ill. I spent lots of money on her at the vet and she did recover, but it was touch and go for quite a while. I felt the breeder who we got her from should have returned my money for her (he didn't), I only had her 4 days and the warrenty he gave us on her expired on day 3. On day 4 I spent $280 on vet care, and quite a bit over the next few weeks on vet care for her.
I called and left a message for you, I wanted to check and see how CoCo was doing. Please call me when you have time. I am very concerned about this little boy.
You can call Dr. Murry's office and talk to them about a payment plan. They are very nice there, Linda is who I talk to, but she is off on Mondays, but the other girls there are very sweeet too. If you can get a stool specimen on a q-tip, you can put it in a zip lock bag and keep in the fridge untill you get him to the vet. I would have a fecal smear done for sure. Dr Murry does them for $10. I can tell you he will probably recommend hand feeding every 2 hours with the BML diet using an eyedropper also, along with everything else recommended here. The office visit for Dr. Murry is $25. I hardly ever spend more than $40 or so during a visit unless the glider needs surgery.
I am so sorry you are going thru this, I can tell you from experience its scary and easy to feel alone. This is a great forum, and everyone here will try to help as much as they can. I am alway available (day or night-don't worry about waking us up), I am not a vet, but will do my best to help in any way I can. Sending prayers your way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
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#29530 - 11/15/04 10:38 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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[:"blue"] If as was suggested earlier, glucose is nothing more than corn sugar, you could use good old Karo syrup which is basically corn syrup.

If you are ONLY worried about hydration and nothing else, my gliders attack the water bottle if I add about a teaspoon of honey to the water!! [/]

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#29531 - 11/15/04 10:48 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Update:

I fed CoCo some BML mixed with the "glucose" mixture. He drank about 0.5cc of it. He hadn't been taking the BML before this morning at all. He still does not look very good, he is lethargic and has problems standing.

I called the vet that Angie recommended this morning (Dr. Murry). We are going to go and see him this afternoon. We are also going to go see Angie and let her take a look at him..maybe get him some mealworms in him.

Thanks for all of the help and I will get you an update as soon as I can.

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#29532 - 11/15/04 11:27 AM Re: Is my glider sick? >> Moderators please read! [Re: ]
Lucy Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 02/14/01
Posts: 7354
Loc: Lexington, KY
I feel very relieved about the second opinion, as well. In my experience, low sucrose levels are rarely the primary problem. Judie's post above is very important to consider!

Do be aware that for extraordinary vet bills, you might be a candidate for the Emergency vet Fund. Go to www.gliderhealth.com for more information.

Again, the issues are hydration (immediate problem), and to address what caused the dehydration, and determine if illness is present, or if diet alone can solve the problem.

Thank you for being so responsive to your glider's needs, and keep us updated about the outcome.
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