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#33995 - 01/16/05 10:53 PM I V question for sick suggie
Anonymous
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my glider is having a emergeny
the vet on call is young and wants to feed him through
his bones like they do for small cats+dogs

I dont know if I should let her do it
I cant find anything where it says its ok for suggies
to have that done to them


Edited by reflexsunshine (01/16/05 10:54 PM)

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#33996 - 01/16/05 10:55 PM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
Anonymous
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and she seems to think a subq will not help him?

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#33997 - 01/16/05 11:24 PM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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Gliders should get everything Sub-q. Thats right under the skin, usually between the shoulders. Can you tell us what the emergency is? More info would be helpful. I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers!
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Angie

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#33998 - 01/16/05 11:28 PM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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hatts what I thought but she thinks different and she is the only one willing to see him now

He is dehydrated lathargic throwing up not eating looks like hes about to dye
wont even take pedilyte from a dropper

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#33999 - 01/16/05 11:37 PM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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Can you have her call another vet? Sometimes they will call for help. Please tell her to come here to GC if she won't listen. Where are you located, maybe someone here will know of a vet you can see?
Angie

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#34000 - 01/16/05 11:45 PM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
Anonymous
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if I have her look here what am I to tell her to look at?

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#34001 - 01/16/05 11:51 PM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
the gliders angel Offline
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have her run a fecal float and sub q him with fluid if hes dehydrated. have her contact another vet whos exotic knowledgeable usually here on glider central never let her do an iv on a glider their way too small for that.

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#34002 - 01/17/05 01:23 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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Caver died at the vet...
then they handed me a 120$ vet bill to listen to his heart

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#34003 - 01/17/05 02:15 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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I'm so sorry for your loss. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
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#34004 - 01/17/05 03:55 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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Sorry to hear that Caver pass a way.

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#34005 - 01/17/05 04:00 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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If you would please, Reflexsunshine tell us the name of the vet and where it is city and state.

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#34006 - 01/17/05 04:54 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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Registered: 02/22/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
I'm so sorry to hear that. Sometimes even all we know to do isn't enough. Sending <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> and know that Caver will be waiting for you at the Bridge. Does the vet have any idea at all what was wrong?
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#34007 - 01/17/05 05:37 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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I had caver subq in the afternoon he was looking better...
So I took him home
then he was worse as it got later
the only er vet willing to see him wanted to do the whole feed through bone/vane thing
I was like nooooo you cant do that on these guys
as I was wating for the o2 it was not worth it
his mouth was open tounge was out he was not moving
then he died
it was so sad

when he got sick on tuesday thee vet put
him on amoxicillin .1cc the top bar on the tiny syrenge
[]Priscilla@thepetglider[/] where I got him from
seems to think since amoxicillin is in the penicillian
family he had an allergic reaction to the meds
any one have ann idea about that?
it would be interisting to know.
I have no idea really the vet did did not either
they wanted a grand for an autopsy
so I just have to let it go
it was his time
I really appreciate all the support on this forum

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#34008 - 01/17/05 06:30 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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I am so sorry! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" />
I don't know about the allergy, I have had several gliders on amoxicillin without problems, along with other
antibiotics also.
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Angie

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#34009 - 01/17/05 09:29 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
Srlb Offline
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Registered: 10/30/03
Posts: 16758
Loc: St. Johns, Florida
I am so sorry you lost your baby. I will now move this thread over to real stories. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" />
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#34010 - 01/18/05 01:14 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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There is not a lot of information in the post about presenting signs and what problems were going on during the veterinarian visits, but this does not sound like a penicillin allergy causing Caver's problems. It sounds like the illness that led the veterinarian to begin amoxicillin did the damage. Some infections are just too far along to be stopped. Or the infection can create so many metabolic problems that the infection becomes secondary after the antibiotics begin, but the other problems advance.

If you read many posts of very sick gliders that received subcutaneous fluids, the report that the glider seemed to do better, but later became more ill again is not uncommon. That can be from a number of different reasons. A dehydrated glider will absorb some of the sub-Q fluid and temporarily make things better as the fluid moves from under the skin and into the veins. Some of that improvement is replacing fluid losses, but the conditions that led to the losses are still going on and in no time the patient will be right back where things started. IV's in the hospital for people keep running fluid in for a many hours, and intermittent sub-Q fluids may need to be repeated to keep up. And the absorption of sub-Q fluids is slower than we wished it was, especially if the patient is really sick and needing the fluids in a hurry.

Another problem is that dehydration and fluid loss is often accompanied by electrolyte abnormalities (sodium, chloride, calcium, sugar). We are not testing or correcting any of these abnormalities with intermittent sub-Q fluids at home. So it would be easy to miss these problems, and if missed, then they go untreated. Many times glucose and calcium are given as well to cover for these potential problems.

If a patient is really in a bad way, and this is a rare issue, an interosseous infusion (sticking an IV right into a bone) and giving fluids rapidly can be life-saving. In human medicine, I have done this a number of times in dire emergencies. A patient can be so dehydrated that all the veins are collapsed and an IV just can't be done. Another time we use a bone line is when the patient is in full arrest or critically dehydrated. There is just no time to play around with IV's, and a line into the bone is easy and fast. A sub-Q infusion is too slow in such a situation (we have even given up on doing this in people nowadays). So the veterinarian's idea of a line into the bone is not way off base. And an IV in a glider is about impossible. The bone IV may have been about the only option, even if not a good one. We don't know from the data here whether that was the right call or not, but the trained professional attending the glider at least entertained it. Again, this is not done lightly or often, but it is sound logic.

I'm sorry Caver passed on. I hope this post helps explain the situation that may have occurred, or helps others.

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#34011 - 01/18/05 10:56 PM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
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Wow thank you so much for your information.
by the time she was ready to do it and taking vitals
it was just too late
she put him in my hand
looked up
I could tell
then she said he will take reflex breath
that was it.
ya so it sucked sooo much.
but now I have support from every one around me to help out and get my lil girl a new buddy.
the info in your post is very good thank you.

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#34012 - 01/19/05 12:00 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
the gliders angel Offline
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Registered: 08/08/01
Posts: 3060
Loc: u.s.a.
i would have a direct fecal float and ck up for the remaining glider since whatever killed caver could be a number of things and this way you know it didnt pass on . as gliders hide their illnesses and this one u have can appear healthy and a month from now die suddenly. so i would have a direct fecal float run and bring him /her in for a ck up if u look in your yellow pgs there got to be an exotic vet.

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#34013 - 01/19/05 11:40 AM Re: I V question for sick suggie [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I'm so sorry for your loss.

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