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#3695 - 07/28/02 08:35 PM I've learned the hard way an important lesson

Well I got good new and I have bad news. Where do i start....

Well I sold my first set of joeys today. one glider joey to each family. Well the family both had children. The first family came and got their glider and went home (quite a ways away) the second family lived in the same neighborhood, and the kids go to school together.

Well the first family i suppose is doing ok...As I havent heard from them.

Unfortantly the second family isnt so fortunant. After leaving my home with their new glider, I get a sad phone call. The little boy (whom I was told had to do a report on the gliders so that he knew all about them) and whom I had warned earlier to let the glider get used to the new surroundings before taking her out to play...calls and their is a crying voice on the phone asking me what to do. He took his glider out while in the car (I had warned him minutes before to be careful cause she will probably be scared) anyways he lost her in the car. He said that she went under the dashboard and wouldnt come out.

So I tried in the nicest way that I could to tell him to calm down (while inside i was panicking) and to get her pouch which i had given him that she had been in and to hold it up to where he thinks that she might be and if he could reach her to stick his hand behind her to gently coax her out....Well he hung up and then maybe 5 minutes later he calls back still crying saying that he doesnt know where she is and that he cant find her. At this point I knew that I had made a mistake selling the poor little joey to this family. But I thought that since the mother MADE him do research then he knew what to do...I even went over everything with him while he was here before he left. Well Im at this point hoping that he will find her. I told him to leave her pouch out and see if she will come to it. If not he may have to coax her with some fruit (if he can get some without her getting out). I hope all goes well. But I've learned an important lesson today...Even if kids do research...It doesnt mean that they know what to do! Im so sad. All I can think about is the poor scared glider who is far from home and all alone. I pray that he finds her and all goes well. As I cannot possible give him any other suggestions. I pray that she finds her way to the pouch.

Sorry that this is long, Im just so sad. I was having such a great day until I got that phone call. Now its turned sad.I just wanted to warn other breeders of the same possible situation, so that no matter what happens with the poor little glider...maybe I can help others from making the same mistake. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

#3696 - 07/28/02 08:44 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]
Karin Offline
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Registered: 09/06/01
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O noooooo, this has to be breaking your heart. <HUGS SENT>. The poor baby too. Let's just pray, hope, wish...whatever it takes that the wee one will find a warm safe cubby hole in the car and go to sleep till the owner can find him/her.

Karin and Tira/Misu'

*methinks I would have another lil talk with the new owner too*!!!!!!
Miss Lily and Bud
Prada and Armani
Tessa, Deuce and Cami

Tira and Misu angel Deja and Vu

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#3697 - 07/28/02 09:19 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tazgirl1981:
[QB] But I've learned an important lesson today...Even if kids do research...It doesnt mean that they know what to do!
what is that supposed to mean even if kids do research thats not very nice. Kids are all different some more responsible than others.
"even if KIDS do research" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

#3698 - 07/28/02 11:53 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]
PepPony Offline
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Registered: 11/27/01
Posts: 2088
MikeTheSpike--I think what Tazgirl was trying to say was that, "Even if (anyone) does research, it is not a replacement for hands on experience with animals." It was not meant as a slight to the younger generation. She was saying even the best intentions go awry sometimes even if research has been done. All the research went out the window when the new owner did not heed Tazgirl's experienced advice.

There is no replacement for experience or from the knowledge an experienced glider owner can give and the young owner did not listen. I think if you even read deeper into what she posted she said she was selling the glider to a "family". That entails a parent as well. She said the Mother made him do the research and she is also putting the blame on the mother for not supervising the child and telling him to listen to Tazgirls's advice. I am not offended by that statement even though I am an adult and she is critical of the adult's supervising skills. Why? Because there is truth to what she is saying.

So, don't be to critical of Tazgirl, she was not directing that post to kids but to people in general. Her point was that research is no replacement on experience and that a parent has to be as responsible as the child when it comes to glider ownership. I think you could agree with that.

I know Tazgirl's intentions were good when she posted, but it could be misread that she was saying that kids were the problem. Believe me, that would be out of character for her. She would not have even sold the glider if she had anything against the younger generation. Many people will not even sell to minors, period. I think the point of her post or what I got out of it--is that research does not a glider owner make. It just so happens that this was a minor.

#3699 - 07/29/02 09:04 AM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

Im so sorry MiketheSpike...I was in no means trying to critisize you nor the other kids from the board...i am not that old i know that there are MANY responsible kids out there. I was just saying that maybe there was something that i could have done to really tell how serious he and his family was about this glider.

im sorry if i offended you, that was in NO WAY my intention. I am just upset at how my first baby has had it so far. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> But REALLY SORRY..I shouldnt have put it that way. Peppony was right in my line of thinking...I was in no way refferring to you or the kids on this board, or kids in general. The first family had two little girls and they are doing fine with the guys are doing GREAT and continue to do your research and have great hands on experience. you guys take in what you know and apply it. This little boy did not, he didnt even listen to me <img border="0" alt="shakehead" title="" src="graemlins/shakehead.gif" />

PLEASE forgive me Mike....I will try to think about what I post next time and how i word things...I just was so sad and needed to put up on this board what i did. Forgive Me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Thank you the way, little pep is doing GREAT..I will send you a few pictures when i take some more...he is no longer little <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

<small>[ 07-29-2002, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: Tazgirl1981 ]</small>

#3700 - 07/29/02 09:29 AM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]


I am so sorry darlin <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> You know I know the feeling about sening an innocent joey out in the world and not knowing what the future holds for that baby.

I had a "friend" of mine buy a joey from me, back in January, I sent home food for a week, toys, pouches, cage accessories, and finally ended up having to sell her one of my cages cause she kept telling me her hubby was going to build on, but he never did. I never see that girl anymore, I don't know how Dinky the glider is doing or anything, and the bad part is, she lives in my town, I figured that I would know, but nope, not a word.

I know that is not near as bad as what you are dealing with.....I just wanted you to know that we all have some hard feelings sometimes when we send a joey out into the world by themself.

#3701 - 07/29/02 09:51 AM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

Thanks Mare...I guess i had to go thru some hard times with the breeding thing,....everyone tends to have to hurt sometime. But i hope that this teaches me a lesson that I wont forget (actually Im sure it will!). It just makes me so mad that I spent over an hour talking to them about the glider and then within 20 minutes of her being gone...she is actually gone! I hope that they found her...they tried to call me once this morning but i didnt get to the phone in time. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> I'm hoping that they found her cause its been over 2 hours and they havent tried to call me back. So im hoping that this is good <img border="0" alt="dunno" title="" src="graemlins/nixweiss.gif" /> I will let everyone know if i hear back anything..who knows if i will???

#3702 - 07/29/02 08:43 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

I know how you feel. I always think...."If I sell this joey to these people, how long is this joey going to live?", or "Will they take my advice, and raise this joey right, feed him right, and give him all the love I would give him?". I still worry that one of the glider parents I have chosen will call me and say "What do I do??? He is.....(sick, barking, dieing, ect)". You can never know how the new parents are really going to treat their joey(s).
I am one of the lucky ones. My wife's boss's husband purchased a joey from me, and they travel a bit, so I get to go glider-sit them about once a month, and kinda "check-up" on them to see how they are growing.

#3703 - 07/29/02 10:29 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

Oh Shauna! I know how hard it is to not know how your joeys are doing, or to doubt your decision about a new home. I sold one of my favorite gliders to a woman and I regret it to this day. SHe was disabled, so she would be home all day with her. We talked about gliders over email for a month before I sold to them. Well, the next day I received an email about her biting. I found out that they smoked and that they were feeding the mealies without refrigerating them. She had never smelled smoke, so she probably bit because of the strange smell, and she was accidentally biting missing the mealies when they wiggled and biting the fingers instead. The fixed tehse problems, and emailed me a week later with a problem. Then I never heard from them again. They won't answer my emails, and I am really worried about my baby. This was about a year ago <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

It's very scary selling joeys, and most of the time you never really know for sure if you chose a good home. That's why I made an appointment today to have my male neutered. I can't deal with the fear anymore. I got lucky with Tara - she's already an awesome mom <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

One suggestion - Kayla once hid inside the dashboard when I first got her - she escaped from her pouch. I had to crawl down by the pedals and reach up into the dash board to get her out. It's really hard to pull a glider out, but I had waited 30 minutes for her to come out on her own in complete silence, and she never moved an inch.

Please let us know as soon as you find out how she is doing. Glider hugs and prayers for your little joey <img border="0" alt="angel" title="" src="graemlins/frostyangel.gif" />

#3704 - 07/29/02 10:40 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

Oh Tazgirl- I'm so sorry this has happened! I really do hope they find that baby soon and call you with good news. Please keep us updated.

Maybe you should tell them to make sure to leave a small bowl of food & water on the floorboard so if he does come out after dark there will be something to eat & drink as well as a sign that he is still in there. They might want to freeze some 2 liter bottles of water and keep one in there also, since it's so hot in a closed up car. These are things that a new owner might not think of. Good Luck.

Sending hugs your way


#3705 - 07/29/02 11:45 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

Thank you everyone {Sigh} Still no word on the little gal...They called once this morning at like 8:30am and unfortuntly i was not up at that time...I rushed to the phone but it had stopped ringing...They left NO message. I am hoping that they found her. I fear calling them because Im afraid of what I may hear <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> but i may have to do so tomorrow if i do not hear from them again. I stayed home for an extra 2-3 hours to make sure that if they called again, I would be up and here. but NOPE no more phone calls...So maybe they found her??? <img border="0" alt="dunno" title="" src="graemlins/nixweiss.gif" /> Im hoping so. I WILL let everyone know if/when i find out. Everyone PLEASE hope and PRAY for the BEST!!!

#3706 - 07/30/02 03:37 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

WELL I got up the nerve to call the family today...Im glad that I did. They said that they did find her <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> Im so happy and so relieved!! The boy answered and said that he went out at 1am and she was running around on the roof of the car (on the inside). He seems to be happy now, and he is asking more questions so maybe he will learn (Im going to give him some time...we all make mistakes and learn from them!) Im just so happy that it turned out so well!!! <img border="0" alt="heart" title="" src="graemlins/heartpump.gif" />

#3707 - 07/30/02 05:40 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

OMG- I am soooo happy!!!!! <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" />

I was so scared for that little baby...and you. I'm so glad everything's ok!!

#3708 - 07/31/02 10:10 AM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]
Viva La Glider Offline
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Registered: 12/06/01
Posts: 862
Loc: Saint Petersburg, FL
Hey Taz!

I am so glad to hear there is happy ending to this story. You are a wonderful person and I have no doubt you did all you could to properly educate these people. I, too, am adamant with people to not take the glider out in the car when first going home, and well, I don't think it has anything to do with age. I had a customer once that called me, upset and actually a bit irritated with me, because her glider got inside of the couch and was under the fabric in the arm of the couch. She was very upset that I did not have an answer to make her not yet bonded glider come out. Well, I did have some suggestions and she ultimately retrieved her baby unharmed, but this woman was "old enough to know better". I suggest to most people to not let new gliders have too much free roam while going through bonding, cause they are likely to find some little space to crawl into and hide until they get over the fear factor. But no matter how much you tell some people, they will insist on doing it there own way.

Ah, but all's well that ends well!
Lisa and Arnold

#3709 - 07/31/02 02:07 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

Oh Yay! I am so happy they found her!! <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> What a relief!

#3710 - 07/31/02 03:26 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

Thank you so much Viva..ya know that i look up to you when trying to breed seem so calmed and I was afraid that I somehow messed up really badly. i knew that im not the one who took the glider out in the car, but I always feel that there are so much things I want to tell the people and just forget...and Im afraid that will cost the glider some rough times....But I made a BIG folder for each glider buyer that comes full of information from GliderCentral, websites, vets, BML recipe and bonding tips...basically everything that you could possibly think of. I just hope that they read it! But I try to do all that I can to help people. I was so afraid that this would turn into a terrible situation...but Im glad that it is ok now.

Thank you everyone for your replys and Sighs of relief...I think that we can all rest a little better now..especially me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

#3711 - 08/03/02 08:30 AM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]
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Registered: 01/21/00
Posts: 2242
Loc: Willard, Mo. USA
Situations like this, are why both my boys are neutered. I'd love to have more babies, but find it too heartbreaking to have to let them go out into the world and I don't know where they are or how they are. No matter how hard you try to find the right home, you never know. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />
God Bless America
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#3712 - 08/03/02 10:36 AM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

Kathy- that's exactly why Sydney has an appointment this month to be neutered. It's just so hard to not know for sure if you made a good choice.

#3713 - 08/03/02 06:34 PM Re: I've learned the hard way an important lesson [Re: ]

i just read this post..and was reading it and kept looking for your reply with good news. im so glad this turned out so well. not everyone is that lucky <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> i sold a hedgehog baby to this guy who had visited her like 4 times and picked her..and then came back 2 months later and said she was mean..i got her back and she hadnt been eating..but uncurled immediatly for me. he goes "well theres alot of noise and music in my house..could that have something to do with it?" im like ya i think so..and then he told me he had 6 sharpais. he originally told me he had 2 hamsters and one dog. i was so mad but she came back and found a really wonderful home. so far so good with all the rest..but i know how sad and scary it can be. u feel like..but i know i can take great care of them..can they? but i guess u cant keep all the babys..or can u? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> lol


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