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#427563 - 12/03/07 12:46 PM Clarifying the USDA laws!
Guerita135 Offline
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Registered: 08/05/07
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Ok, I have been reading all the posts on here and on other forums about breeding. It's not in my immediate future plans, but I was simply curious.

The law, correct me if I'm wrong, is that if you have more then 3 BREEDING females you have to get a license.

The controversy is over the word "breeding". Some people say that includes any unspayed female glider you own and others say that only includes the ones that are actually breeding.

Well, I called the USDA(by the way, the post with the phones #'s needs to be updated. The eastern area # is 919-855-7100) and used myself as an example. I told them I have 3 females and a neutered male that are my pets and asked if I would need to get a license if I bought a breeding pair. The man clearly stated that I would NOT. HE said even though my other gliders are not spayed, as long as they are not being used to breed, I do not need the license and that the USDA would only see me as having ONE breeding female.

I'm sure this has already been stated alot, but I just have seen so many people get riled up about this. Well, now it's settled! lol.

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#427572 - 12/03/07 01:05 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: Guerita135]
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One thing I would add to that. I would at a minimum get the gentleman's name and title that gave you the information.

What I would personally do, is ask him to fax or mail you something that showed exactly what he said to you. That way, your bases are covered. The reason I would do that, is that there seems to be conflicting information and some of it seems to come from the USADA.

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#427574 - 12/03/07 01:11 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: ]
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Here in the state of missouri thats exactly what was told to me is that you have to have three breeding females which produce little ones to have to get a license pets arent included in that count.Same is the laws on dogs and cats here too.
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#427576 - 12/03/07 01:15 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: ]
Guerita135 Offline
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Originally Posted By: MacoGrenada
One thing I would add to that. I would at a minimum get the gentleman's name and title that gave you the information.

What I would personally do, is ask him to fax or mail you something that showed exactly what he said to you. That way, your bases are covered. The reason I would do that, is that there seems to be conflicting information and some of it seems to come from the USADA.


I'm not a breeder. I guess if I ever do pursue breeding that I will take your advice though. smile Better safe then sorry. wink
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#427579 - 12/03/07 01:24 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: Guerita135]
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I know I talked to the western regional supervisor in Denver,CO and that is exactly what I was told. I have to have 4 breeding females then she will come and inspect and get me liscenced until then they feel it is a waste of time to come out for less than that. I did this because out local paper would not list my baby for sale because I was not USDA liscenced even tho I stated that I did not have to be. I called them had them fax me the information for me to take to the paper about the legality of listig a baby for sale.

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#427580 - 12/03/07 01:26 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: Guerita135]
Rhapsody
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Originally Posted By: Guerita135

The law, correct me if I'm wrong, is that if you have more then 3 BREEDING females you have to get a license.




This is what I found on the Internet.....


In the USA you do not need a license if you have 3 or few breeding females.

http://www.petsugargliders.com/sgusda.php

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#427592 - 12/03/07 02:12 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: ]
bingos_mom
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I was also told by the USDA that you wouldn't need a license if you had less than 4 breeding females. and I'm in KY

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#427622 - 12/03/07 03:10 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: ]
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Yes, get a name, position and contact number. I have been told both. When I was breeding and carried a USDA license (and btw, you do not have to have 4+ breeding females to carry a license either, I maintained one with just one breeding pair for 2 years past the 'new' rule) I was told if you had 4 or more intact females of any species on your property and an intact male of those species as well, you must maintain a license because they would have no way of knowing if you were breeding all of those animals or not.

In the case of sugar gliders; if you had only one intact male but two cages of two females a piece and you were breeding one cage but not the other, technically, you have 4 intact and breeding age females that could be bred (and some people would do it) you are supposed to maintain a license. If someone told you otherwise, I would just check frequently and keep a list of names, their position and contact numbers just in case. The USDA is fairly lenient when it comes to all of this (as long as it is not an obvious violation) and they are so busy anyway, that it is not that big of a deal generally, but be aware that you still might come across both opinions. dunno


Edited by sugarlope (12/03/07 03:16 PM)
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#427627 - 12/03/07 03:16 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: sugarlope]
Rhapsody
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Originally Posted By: sugarlope
Yes, get a name, position and contact number.



I couldn't agree more...... agree

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If your USDA inspector says you don't need a license to breed...and you feel you should under the new law...ask for them to put it in writing...this will protect you and your animals should anything come up.

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#427655 - 12/03/07 04:05 PM Re: Clarifying the USDA laws! [Re: ]
myangelbear77 Offline
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Registered: 01/29/05
Posts: 2258
Loc: Homestead, FL
I called an was even refused a packet to apply If I did not have 3 or more BREEDING females. I even specifically asked what if I have 20 females but only 2 were breeding? I was told no I could not have a liscense. So I called again and was told the same info from a different person - except I could apply but it wasnt recommended or necessary. ANd they do meam 3 or more breeding females from any species so If ou have cats dogs and gliders that all breed (or any combo) you need to get a liscense...
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