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#43479 - 04/15/05 06:58 PM Glider rape???
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I have a male that was oop in mid jan. I'm about to get him a young female companion. She'll be ready in about 2 weeks. I was told that the female should not be introduced to the male until she is at least 6 months old, or the male will rape her. Is this true? I told this to the breeder and they said that rape is a violent crime that happens only among humans and not in the animal kingdom. Which is right???

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#43480 - 04/15/05 07:20 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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I have no problems with raising them together from the beggining. They will bond more tightly in my opinion, and love eachother to raise those babies. A lot of breeders have diferent opinions on this. My breeder prefers raising them together before they get to breeding age and I agree with her. When older they may not get along and be much more territorial. But ofcourse since you have a male and female it will be a much easier transtion. I would put them together from the beggining.
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#43481 - 04/15/05 08:08 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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I would not put them together, i agree she will be raped. If you think about it the male is not going to know that the female is younger and doesn't wanna make babies, he will just go for her and she will be smaller so wont be able to defend herself. I don't know how gliders take rape, since im not one. But i have to say it doens't sound good. I've always had great luck with a older female, and younger male. Also if you don't put them right together than you will have a chance to bond with them alone before them with each other. Im not sure what i would do if i was in your situation though.

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#43482 - 04/15/05 08:40 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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Personally, I like to keep mine apart until the female's at breeding age. I guess it has it's pros and cons, like most situations, but i've found that it's best to wait a while before taking the risk of breeding the young female, because she's more likely to reject or eat her joey if he mates with her.

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#43483 - 04/15/05 09:06 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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Do not introduce them until the female is atleast 6 months OOP, you heard right. If you don't think gliders can rape eachother, just think of a female joey, half the size of your male, taking on a mating attempt. Mating can be very violent to begin with, and if he tries to mate, she may not be able to handle it, leading to injury and possibly death.

This is of course assuming your male is over 6-8 months old. If your male is younger than that, then you should be able to introduce them with no problems <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#43484 - 04/15/05 09:22 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Do not introduce them until the female is atleast 6 months OOP, you heard right. If you don't think gliders can rape eachother, just think of a female joey, half the size of your male, taking on a mating attempt. Mating can be very violent to begin with, and if he tries to mate, she may not be able to handle it, leading to injury and possibly death.

This is of course assuming your male is over 6-8 months old. If your male is younger than that, then you should be able to introduce them with no problems <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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Like I said in my post, my male is only about 3 months oop. So, they should be ok being put together right away? Opinions please....

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#43485 - 04/15/05 09:45 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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a female will mature sexually before a male does agewise, i believe, and i doubt the male will attempt a mating until he goes through puberty and begins to develop his scent spots. if the male is young enough that he will not mature before the female does, it will probably be ok, but if the male might mature before the female does, you should wait and maybe house them in cages next to each other, maybe even touching, so they can interact but are separated until she is old enough to breed. he cannot rape her through the bars, if she doesn't want it all she has to do is move to the other side of the cage.
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#43486 - 04/15/05 09:56 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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I think your gliders are close enough age wise to be put together. If it were any more than just a few months though, I would be hesitant depending on the male...

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#43487 - 04/15/05 11:19 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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Actually, males sexually mature faster than females... on average around 5 months while females don't mature until around 8 months. I personally wouldn't put them together until she's older. They may be close enough in age, but I wouldn't risk it. Males usually don't try to mate until a female is in heat, but if he gets frustrated and gets the urge, he may rape her. Like Jessie said, mating can be very violent, and the difference in size alone is enough to worry about. It's really up to you, and while the difference in age is close enough that it may work, it's still a bit risky.

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#43488 - 04/15/05 11:49 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Actually, males sexually mature faster than females... on average around 5 months while females don't mature until around 8 months. I personally wouldn't put them together until she's older. They may be close enough in age, but I wouldn't risk it. Males usually don't try to mate until a female is in heat, but if he gets frustrated and gets the urge, he may rape her. Like Jessie said, mating can be very violent, and the difference in size alone is enough to worry about. It's really up to you, and while the difference in age is close enough that it may work, it's still a bit risky.

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Hhhmm.... I heard the opposite. I heard females mature faster than males....... anyone know for sure?

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#43489 - 04/16/05 12:26 AM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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Males reach sexual maturity around 5-6 months although some earlier. Females between 8 months and a year (again, although some earlier). A 6 month old female can get pregnant but it is like a 12 yr old human girl. Yes, she can get pregnant but is not mature enough to be a parent and it can pose health issues. It can also lead to rejected joeys or canabalized joeys.

My personal opinion is that gliders (regardless of gender) should not breed until they are a year old or older. This gives them each a chance to mature and be more prepared for being parents.
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#43490 - 04/16/05 01:04 AM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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Yes, it is proven that males mature faster than females. I don't know where you heard the opposite, but it's incorrect.

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#43491 - 04/16/05 03:20 AM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
I have a male that was oop in mid jan. I'm about to get him a young female companion. She'll be ready in about 2 weeks. I was told that the female should not be introduced to the male until she is at least 6 months old, or the male will rape her. Is this true?

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> There are really a lot of unknown variables and one can't really say for sure what will happen.

For all anyone knows, you could have an absolutely docile male that will get dominated by your upcoming female. It isn't always written in stone that the male will have the upper hand with gliders. I have a couple females that run the show!

I have yet to witness any sort of outright glider rape. I do see females that are unwilling and I do see males try to get their way, but most often, if a female is not interested, her desires will prevail to some extent. There may be some squabbling.

I had a female that was in with a sexually mature male that was 8 mos older than her, but very docile. I put them together because he was so docile, and she so feisty, when she was 4 mos old, and they didn't breed until she was almost a year old!

I sold a sister of hers to Cattail03 with another male joey who was 4 weeks or so ahead of her thinking that she'd probably be slow to breed like her sis, and I was wrong, they ended up breeding at 5 mos and I feel pretty stupid for expecting anything different, lol. It's best to assume they'll breed early and weigh your options from there.

I think the whole rape problem will arise most likely when you have a more aggressive, much more mature male, with a younger and much more docile female.

In your situation, you are going to get a ton of differing opinions. When you get two gliders, no matter what, you should always plan on making accomodations for them to live separately for the intro phase. So, keeping them separate should be no big deal, you should have already planned for it to some degree. Once you have evaluated the personalities of your gliders and the situation in general, I'm sure a decision on what to do should arrive rather easily.

In regards to females being a certain age to breed.
I have conflicting views on this.
I haven't personally seen age to really determine a females ability to care for young. I think personality and size have a lot to do with it, but I believe that above all, diet truly determines a females ability to care for her young.
I have had females first time breeding(same size) at as young as 6 mos up to over a year old, and I personally thought that in comparison, one of the younger females handled her first joeys much better than one of the older females. Some gliders are just more able mothers.

In nature, there is nothing stopping them from breeding at a young age. I think that evolution has built in the appropriate biological timings to ensure the proliferation of the species. If breeding at a young age hindered their physical development and ended up being detrimental to their survival, I would think that would have been corrected by nature. Ideally though, I do think that it is a good idea to make sure a female is healthy and of good size to raise joeys before breeding.

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#43492 - 04/16/05 06:58 AM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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Ernie, I agree with you 110% on all aspects of your post. Very well put.

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#43493 - 04/16/05 10:13 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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Thanks for all of the imput from everyone. I've decided to keep them seperate but also keep the cages next to each other initially at the beginning to see how they act and to let them get used to each other. When I introduce them to each other, I'll do it out of both cages so it will be neutral ground and no territory battles. Then after that I'll put them together in the big cage and see how they do. Thanks again for everyone's input.

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#43494 - 04/26/05 08:10 PM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
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Interesting topic. Can a male glider (regardless of age) rape a female (again reglarless of age) to death?

Someone had Emailed me this every question last year, but being how I do not currently breed, had no answer for them.

Does anyone know?

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#43495 - 04/30/05 02:48 AM Re: Glider rape??? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I would say that would be a no on the rape death thing. As for me I would not keep them together at first.

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