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#435767 - 12/16/07 09:49 PM Possible Signs of Rejection
boringscreename
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Peanut and Hazel's joey is out of the pouch. Earlier Hazel left it with Peanut for about 5 minutes white she went to eat and run in the wheel.

Around 8:50 I woke up and checked on the cage. Hazel was out and playing and eating, and Peanut decided to come out too, and left the joey in the pouch. They were both out without the joey for about 5 minutes, and the joey was crying a bit off and on. Peanut and Hazel acted indifferent, but would occasionally glance at the pouch. After about 5 minutes Hazel returned to the pouch and Peanut followed shortly.

I know this isn't a definite indicator of rejection but it still set off warning bells, especially since this is their first joey, and it's the joey's first day out of pouch. David did mention they left the baby alone for less than a minute earlier but Peanut returned to the pouch.

So my questions are: Do you think this is an early indicator of rejection? and If they leave the joey alone in the pouch again, how long should I wait for them to return before
pulling it?

I'm going to have David keep an extra close eye on them tonight, and let me know if something similar happens again and we'll go from there.



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#435885 - 12/16/07 11:07 PM Re: Possible Signs of Rejection [Re: ]
LSardou Offline
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Usually the father will stay with the joey while mommy is out taking a break. If one or the other leaves the joey for a longer period of time than this could be a sign of early rejection. Your doing the right thing by just keeping a close eye on them to make sure that one parent is with the joey.
How many pouches do you have in their cage? It is a good idea to just have only one for now, this will assure you that they will go back to the same pouch with the joey.
Here is a link to suzsugargliders web site, there you will find alot of great information about joeys.
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#435907 - 12/16/07 11:32 PM Re: Possible Signs of Rejection [Re: LSardou]
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One parent does not always stay with the joey all of the time. If they have settled the joey in, they will sometimes leave the joey(s) alone for up to about 20 minutes (both of my pairs did this with several of their joeys starting on the first day OOP and never rejected a single one of their joeys). Please do not assume just because the joey is being left alone for short periods, that it is being rejected. Do not pull a joey unless there are clear signs of rejection (it is not being fed, you are finding injuries-like bite marks, or it is being left for extended periods of time and is getting cold - 5 minutes is not an extended period of time). The joey has a much better chance at a normal and healthy life by staying with it's mother and father throughout it's rearing. I know you are concerned, but much, much more often than not, gliders make wonderful parents.

I do agree that you should only be using one pouch now to decrease the likelyhood of leaving the joey in a separate pouch.
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#436036 - 12/17/07 06:23 AM Re: Possible Signs of Rejection [Re: sugarlope]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Originally Posted By: sugarlope
One parent does not always stay with the joey all of the time. If they have settled the joey in, they will sometimes leave the joey(s) alone for up to about 20 minutes (both of my pairs did this with several of their joeys starting on the first day OOP and never rejected a single one of their joeys). Please do not assume just because the joey is being left alone for short periods, that it is being rejected. Do not pull a joey unless there are clear signs of rejection (it is not being fed, you are finding injuries-like bite marks, or it is being left for extended periods of time and is getting cold - 5 minutes is not an extended period of time). The joey has a much better chance at a normal and healthy life by staying with it's mother and father throughout it's rearing. I know you are concerned, but much, much more often than not, gliders make wonderful parents.

I do agree that you should only be using one pouch now to decrease the likelyhood of leaving the joey in a separate pouch.
Couldn't have said it better myself thumb
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#436058 - 12/17/07 07:43 AM Re: Possible Signs of Rejection [Re: sugarglidersuz]
boringscreename
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Thanks for the advice. I feel the same way now, as I did when we first got the gliders.

I wasn't worried about them leaving the baby alone, for a few minutes until it started fussing, and they both seemed unconcerned. As David pointed out they can't just bend to the baby's every whim, and the baby is testing things and figuring everything out in this strange new world.


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