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#44358 - 04/27/05 05:25 PM mold in mealies
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The apples grew mold,so some of the oatmeal is green too, do I have to start all over? If so, how would I go about doing that? TIA

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#44359 - 04/27/05 05:35 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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Are you talking about a mealie farm? If so, then I don't think you have to start over. Just change out the green oatmeal and the apples and check for dead mealies...although I don't think mold would kill them. I'm really not educated on mealies or mealie farms, so hopefully someone has a better answer than I do.

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#44360 - 04/27/05 06:08 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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I have never had mold in my meal worms except in can-o-worm (yuck). I have never used apples instead I use potatoes. Try to get all the molded mealies/oatmeal/apples out of the container and watch carefully for a few days to make sure you don't have anymore growing. Mold spreads pretty quickly so I would think if you don't see in mold for a couple of days they would still be safe to use.

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#44361 - 04/27/05 06:18 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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I tried the farm to.. I got mold and ANTS… I won’t be trying that again any time soon…. Unfortunately I don’t have to room indoors and tried to start the farm in a shed…
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#44362 - 04/27/05 07:35 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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Instead of using food pieces for the moisture, try using a paper towel and lightly moisten it each night. this prevents mold buildup or even the chance of it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />
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#44363 - 04/27/05 09:21 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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start over mold is aflatoxin and is fatal to the glider. throw out the mealies and start over

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#44364 - 04/27/05 09:55 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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mold is aflatoxin

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Aflatoxin is produced by certain types of mold. Not all mold produces aflatoxin. That said, I would imagine it could be a danger.

FYI, in just a quick Google search, I came up with this paragraph:
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Background: Aflatoxin is a naturally occurring mycotoxin produced by two types of mold: Aspergillus flavus and Aspergillus parasiticus. Aspergillus flavus is common and widespread in nature and is most often found when certain grains are grown under stressful conditions such as drought. The mold occurs in soil, decaying vegetation, hay, and grains undergoing microbiological deterioration and invades all types of organic substrates whenever and wherever the conditions are favorable for its growth. Favorable conditions include high moisture content and high temperature. At least 13 different types of aflatoxin are produced in nature with aflatoxin B1 considered as the most toxic. While the presence of Aspergillus flavus does not always indicate harmful levels of aflatoxin it does mean that the potential for aflatoxin production is present.

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#44365 - 04/27/05 09:57 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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[:"blue"]I don't believe that the previous statement is accurate; but can't say with absolute certainty. The mold that causes the aflatoxocosis problem grows primarily on corn and peanuts. Since the bedding in most mealie farms is wheat and oats the danger to your gliders should be minimal to non-existant. To the best of my knowledge, aflatoxicosis has always been associated with crickets who were raised on corn bedding. Have never heard of a case of gliders getting sick from mealies.

I'm going to email this thread to Tom and see what he has to say snce he is sort of the resident expert. [/]

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#44366 - 04/27/05 10:15 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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[:"blue"] Mealies really don't need a lot of water and in fact get some from their bedding!!! In spite of the fact that the bedding looks dry, if you check the USDA National Nutritional Database, you will discover that it is about 10% water. If you want to add a little more water, once a week is plenty. Mist a paper towel once a week or add a few slices of potato, carrot or apple. If you use the veggies, they should only be left in the farm for a short time..... maybe 24 hours or less.....it is NOT necessary for there to be a 24/7 source of water for your mealies. [/]

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#44367 - 04/27/05 10:32 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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You will not have to throw out the mealworms, just change the bedding. RANDY's right, the type of mold you would have to worry about is primarily associated with corn and peanuts.

The mealworms should get all the nutrients they need from the bedding, I no longer put in any other foods i.e.. sliced potato, apple, carrots, etc. If you keep several layers of cloth on top of the bedding and moisten only the top layer of cloth once or twice a week, it make things a lot easier and you don't have to worry about wrecking your bedding with mold...


Tom

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#44368 - 04/27/05 10:35 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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I have a friend who has had several gliders die. They'd had necropsies done, but nothing was conclusive. Finally with the last death, the vet sent the slides away to be looked at. It turned out the last glider died of aflatoxin poisoning. There was nothing in their diet that should have caused aflatoxicosis -- nothing that is a risk factor at all. My friend had her own mealie farm -- with mold on some of the fruit, etc. She has thrown away all her mealies, and is now going with purchased ones. Her remaining sick glider is getting better.

Now, there is no proof that aflatoxins were in the mealies. Her vet looked at the mealie farm, but said it was inconclusive. But, it was the only thing she could think of -- and her sick glider is getting better. So... it is a possibility. I'd throw away the mealies (and bedding) just to be safe.

~Lynn

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#44369 - 04/28/05 12:01 AM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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Why wouldnt the mold kill the mealies though? just wondering, ive had slight mold but used a good light, and it went right away, but since i find the best to use for mine, im talking about superworms is baby carrots, ide assume same goes for mealies. I never use friuts, especially apples.

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#44370 - 04/28/05 12:25 AM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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Maybe mealies eat the mold or have mold residue on thier bodies then the gliders eat the mealies...causing the glider to possibly get ill. I read an article on making a mealie farm to feed gliders somewhere and they said to throw it away if mold occurd too, they didn't say why plus I can't seem to find the bloomin link <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" />
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#44371 - 04/28/05 12:35 AM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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Also,when it comes to people/animals and mold, most of the concerns seem to be about mold spores harming the respitory system especially those with low immune systems...but that might only be in direct contact with it, not totaly sure.

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#44372 - 04/28/05 05:41 AM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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It is estimated that 25% of the world's food supply is contaminated with aflatoxins. The levels vary and mostly are not considered dangerous. As far as the dangers of mold it also varies and no one seems to have the answers we are looking for. Not all mold is considered dangerous but it would take an expert to determine which are safe and which are not. The following will give you a guideline for handling foods with molds. If you scroll down to page five you can find some useful household information:

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/oa/pubs/molds.pdf

My theory is if I see mold I trash it. Even in the feed that is fed to my domestic animals.
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#44373 - 04/28/05 02:15 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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[:"blue"]Interesting article, Charlie. Thanks. [/]

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#44374 - 05/01/05 08:16 PM Re: mold in mealies [Re: ]
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im not sure what to think. but heres a thought.

if your farm is not going to be fed straight (like mine) and ur waiting for a 3rd or fourth generation of mealies before you feed. and the mould acured in the first generation would the alfatoxins etc be gone by the time the 3rd generation was ready to feed?

i wouldnt keep the mealies that have been in mould if those were the ones u were going to feed. but if your going to feed there ancestors, and theres no mould or problems with the next 1 or 2 generations, would that be fine to feed?
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