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#45882 - 05/15/05 09:21 PM Leusistic Breeding Question
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Can a Leusistic het or 100% Leusistic be bred with a gray and have white babies? Or what what about with a WFB? What colors would result from these breedings?
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#45883 - 05/15/05 09:28 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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Well Im not sure about the Leusistic but i dont think they can be breed with a grey to produce white babies. The wfb thoughif you breed a wfb with a grey you get wfb about 60% of the time. Hope I helped <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#45884 - 05/15/05 09:30 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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no, they only way that it would happen is if the gray was a het. Leucistic is a simple recessive gene so if you had a het with a het you would have 1/4 leucistic, 1/2 het, and 1/4 normal grey with no way of distinguishing from the het and the normal grey. on the other hand if you had a 100% leucistic and a leucistic het you would get 1/2 leucitic and 1/2 het with no greys. hope that helps.

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#45885 - 05/15/05 09:52 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
no, they only way that it would happen is if the gray was a het. Leucistic is a simple recessive gene so if you had a het with a het you would have 1/4 leucistic, 1/2 het, and 1/4 normal grey with no way of distinguishing from the het and the normal grey. on the other hand if you had a 100% leucistic and a leucistic het you would get 1/2 leucitic and 1/2 het with no greys. hope that helps.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Yeah their right! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/agree.gif" alt="" />

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#45886 - 05/15/05 09:59 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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I once read that if you bred a BEW with a WFB another color would result?
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#45887 - 05/16/05 12:35 AM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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There are rumors that if you breed a WFB with a leu you'll get a platinum, but that has only ever happened once to my knowledge and the breeder thinks that the WFB in the pairing carries a white gene of some sort...

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#45888 - 05/16/05 01:10 AM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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Leucistic with a normal will not produce white. Reason being the Leucistic gene is recessive...thus both parents must be a carrier of the Leucistic gene for this variation. However, offspring from such a paring would be 100% Leucistic Hets. Otherwords...when a 100% Leucistic Het is paired to a Leucistic...50% of the babies will be white and the other half will be 100% Leucistic Het.

Leucistic bred to a White Face Blonde... offspring that are normal in color will be 100% Het for Leucistic. Offspring that exhibit the coloration of the White Face Blonde are considered Double Hets. This offspring will be 100% Het for Leucistic and also will produce White Face Blondes with paired to another White Face Blonde or Normal Color.

Platinumn...not much is known about it. I do know of one breeder who has never produced white with this variation when paired to a Leucistic. Approx 14 babies or more were either calico or mosaic or Het looking. One inbreeding of a brother(Normal color but a 100% Het) and sister(Mosaic coloration) did produce a Leucistic. Thus...this platinumn does not carry the Leucistic gene. The white offspring produced by the brother x sister pairing was a result of the Leucistic only as she passes the leucistic gene to her offspring.

There seems to be proof from Priscilla that when breeding a 66% leucistic het to her mosaic's the result was mosaic offspring. She has also done a breeding of a White Face Blonde to Mosaic and achived a much heavier marked body of color with full white tail and leggings. At the same time...Priscilla has also produced these variations with a very yellow colored gliders as well as with Cinnamons.

My guess is...within the next year...we should be able to understand a little more as to how the Leucistic Hets along with the White Face Blonde genes interact with the Mosaic variation.
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#45889 - 05/16/05 01:30 AM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Leucistic with a normal will not produce white. Reason being the Leucistic gene is recessive...thus both parents must be a carrier of the Leucistic gene for this variation. However, offspring from such a paring would be 100% Leucistic Hets. Otherwords...when a 100% Leucistic Het is paired to a Leucistic...50% of the babies will be white and the other half will be 100% Leucistic Het.

Leucistic bred to a White Face Blonde... offspring that are normal in color will be 100% Het for Leucistic. Offspring that exhibit the coloration of the White Face Blonde are considered Double Hets. This offspring will be 100% Het for Leucistic and also will produce White Face Blondes with paired to another White Face Blonde or Normal Color.

Platinumn...not much is known about it. I do know of one breeder who has never produced white with this variation when paired to a Leucistic. Approx 14 babies or more were either calico or mosaic or Het looking. One inbreeding of a brother(Normal color but a 100% Het) and sister(Mosaic coloration) did produce a Leucistic. Thus...this platinumn does not carry the Leucistic gene. The white offspring produced by the brother x sister pairing was a result of the Leucistic only as she passes the leucistic gene to her offspring.

There seems to be proof from Priscilla that when breeding a 66% leucistic het to her mosaic's the result was mosaic offspring. She has also done a breeding of a White Face Blonde to Mosaic and achived a much heavier marked body of color with full white tail and leggings. At the same time...Priscilla has also produced these variations with a very yellow colored gliders as well as with Cinnamons.

My guess is...within the next year...we should be able to understand a little more as to how the Leucistic Hets along with the White Face Blonde genes interact with the Mosaic variation.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> nicely said Judie I wish I could help with this breeding (wf to het and wf to leucistic) to help understand more about this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#45890 - 05/16/05 05:10 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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So let me see if I can get this right:

Leusistic X Gray = 100% Leusistic het offspring

Then one can breed these offspring together to then produce Leusistic offspring.

Is this Correct?
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#45891 - 05/16/05 05:13 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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if you breed 100% hets for leu together, you will get either, leucistics or 66% hets. A 66% het is a glider that has a 66% chance of carrying the leucistic gene.

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#45892 - 05/16/05 05:13 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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From what I understand you are correct in your assumption <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Perhaps a more knowledgable person can come along and clarify this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#45893 - 05/16/05 05:27 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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Oh, forgot to say that you'll get leucistics 25% of the time, hets 50% and normals 25%...

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#45894 - 05/16/05 06:15 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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When a leu and a grey have a set of joeys, most people will trade one het sibbling for another unrelated het to breed with the other. Never breed sibblings.

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#45895 - 05/16/05 08:13 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: lillysmomma]
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Is there a difference in appearance between a gray and a leu het?
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#45896 - 05/16/05 08:29 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Grays dont have leucistic in them and leu hets do.

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#45897 - 05/16/05 08:40 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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No, there is no difference in appearance. A leu het looks just like a standard glider, which is why it is extremely important to buy hets from reputable breeders.

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#45898 - 05/16/05 09:13 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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But If I get a leu breed it with a normal then take the suggestion of keeping one het and trading one for another leu het how would I know which one to trade? This is so confusing!LOL. All I want to do is to start a Leu breeding program in the future but it sounds so complicated.
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#45899 - 05/16/05 09:16 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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LOL If you have a leu and a normal paird then trade what ever one and leu het and normal will make possible hets 50% if 100% and a normal and then there is no way in telling if it has the leu gene in it..

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#45900 - 05/16/05 09:18 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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Loc: Orlando/Kissimmee Florida
What? Can you explain that a little slower. Please!LOL. I am half asleep.
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#45901 - 05/16/05 09:19 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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LOL do you have aim or something I have aim msn and yahoo and Im always on you can I m me if you would like if you have it so I can explain more in depth.

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#45902 - 05/16/05 09:22 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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Registered: 11/23/04
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Loc: Orlando/Kissimmee Florida
Sorry I don't. You can pm me with all of your knowledge.
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#45903 - 05/16/05 09:23 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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okay LOL I will.

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#45904 - 05/16/05 09:31 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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Sent <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" /> hope it wasnt confusing it has punett squares in it sorry if it is. LOL

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#45905 - 05/16/05 09:37 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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Posts: 1425
Loc: Orlando/Kissimmee Florida
Isent you back another question hope you got it.
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#45906 - 05/16/05 09:42 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
Anonymous
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did sent one back

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#45907 - 05/16/05 10:06 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
Posts: 9173
Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Only purchase Leucistic Hets from reputable breeders of Leucistic Gliders. Purchasing from an unknown breeder.....can be very risky as the Hets can be substitued with standard colored offspring. Be sure to ask for referances and then check them out. Do not rely on emails as multi email accounts can be set up by one person.

If one wants to be sure the Leucistic Het is a carrier of the Leucistic gene...then only purchase 100% Leucistic Hets. Downside is they cost more and usually a waiting list for them.

66% Possible Het...two thirds of these normal colored offspring will carry the Leucistic gene. This Het is second choice. Often overlooked and for the money is an excellent choice if a 100% Leucistic Het is not available.

50% Possible Het... half of these normal colored offspring will carry the Leucistic gene.
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#45908 - 05/17/05 02:16 AM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
But If I get a leu breed it with a normal then take the suggestion of keeping one het and trading one for another leu het how would I know which one to trade? This is so confusing!

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Take into account which sex you will need to complete a pair and go from there <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#45909 - 05/18/05 04:51 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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Loc: Orlando/Kissimmee Florida
How many times has it been documented that 66% hets have produced leucistic babies?
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#45910 - 05/18/05 05:47 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
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66% hets have a 66% chance of carrying the leucistic gene. There for, in theory, 66% of "66% hets" should produce leucistic. The other 33%, in theory, are normals.

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#45911 - 05/18/05 06:03 PM Re: Leusistic Breeding Question [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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Registered: 11/23/04
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Loc: Orlando/Kissimmee Florida
Have any breeders out there had this amount of success producing the leus per this theory?
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