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#469241 - 02/04/08 04:50 PM Another plea for Jackie Chan
Jackie_Chans_Mom Offline
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Registered: 05/01/07
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Loc: Texas
cry I cannot tell you all how mich I hate having to make another plea for prayers for Jackie Chan. But, he really needs it. After placing him and Sassy back together last week, I have been keeping a close eye on him. He was healing really well.-------- Until Saturday. I was gone from the home for 7 hours and did not check in on him in that time. Sometime in that 7 hours, Sassy began to eat at Jackie. mad I believe that she was just trying to eliminate the infection that he still (obviously) had the only way she knows how. Anyway, she ate away about 1 1/2 - 2 inches of flesh and muscle off is butt and left back hip/leg. tant

I was horrified when I first found it! I paniced. I immediately pulled Sassy from the pouch and placed her in her own cage. Then, I packed the car, called the vet in Tulsa to tell them that I was coming (remember, there are no vets in this area with experience with emergencies in gliders) and then called Karen in a panic. It was already 5:30 in the evening, which meant that I would not be to Tulsa until around midnight, but I HAD to try. I truely did not believe that Jackie was going to live through the night and I was overwhelmed with fear and grief and guilt. cry It looked so horrible. I thought that I was seeing bowel in the body cavity. I flushed it as much as I could. ALso, he was swollen to about the size of a small bird's egg and he was not able to pee or poop. It was horrible.

After about 3 hours in the car, and after some encouraging phone calls from some loving glider friends, I began to be able to think clearly about it. Though it looked horrible, Jackie was acting fine. And, he was not really bleeding. We stopped in Oklahoma City and got a hotel room because Jackie was wanting to come out of the bonding pouch to play and I felt that it might be his last opportunity. So, I let him play. I did not take my eyes off him all night and I never once stopped praying. He played all night like nothing had happened. He never had droopy ears or droopy eyes. He ate well and drank a LOT. He ran in his wheel..... all of this with his backside swollen horribly. He never even acted like there was anything wrong. BUT, he still never peed or pooped. frown

Jackie was still with me the next morning and I was becoming more optimistic. We finished the drive to Tulsa and were at the vet when they opened their doors. Jackie's vet really does love him, and he is SOOO good to Jackie. So, he got him all cleaned up and was able to really look at him. Turns out, what I thought was poop was actually blood clots. Sassy had eaten down to the bone on his hip and leg. She stopped just short of fatal. Jackie no longer has muscle at his left back hip. However, that muscle group was atrophied and he didn't use it anyway. So, there is some blessing in this: This episode did not change how Jackie gets around at all. I also had the vet do a thorough check since every time Jackie gets healed, Sassy chews him back open. I was concerned that there might be a problem (ie. tumor, abcess) that we just hadn't found yet. BUT, Jackie checks out clear.

He is not out of the woods yet, but he is all stitched up and acting like it never happened. He was active and playful and curious and hungry last night. He will be on quite a bit of medication for the next 2 weeks, but should heal fine. However, my greatest concern is for his emotional health - and for Sassy's. Obviously, this was the last straw. They simply cannot live together. And, as you will recall, they are very, very strongly bonded - so much so that Sassy stops eating when she is apart from him for any length of time. Please pray that she will find the company of one of my other lone boys to be an acceptable substitute. I will still allow her and Jackie to play together and maybe eat together. Pray also that Jackie will recover better than ever and that he will be OK with his 24 hour "mom time" and not miss Sassy too much. It is so sad that her great love for him will most likely kill him if they are left together.

I'm exhausted and possibly all cried out. Jackie is a fighter.... SOOO much stronger than me, as I have said before. He just will not give up - For that I am so grateful.

Here is a picture of Jackie's newly remodeled bum... Couldn't get a picture of the whole mess:

Jackie's Bum
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#469247 - 02/04/08 04:56 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Jackie_Chans_Mom]
SuggieLuver4941
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Prayers being sent out to you and Jackie!! hug2

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#469249 - 02/04/08 04:58 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Jackie_Chans_Mom]
butterscotch1
Unregistered


I am soooo sorry to see Jackie in this again. I hope all goes well, we'll keep im in our prayers!

From everything I have read you are a great suggie mom he is soooo lucky to have you!

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#469261 - 02/04/08 05:13 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: ]
SugarBlossoms Offline
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Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 5830
Loc: USA
Val, I am so sorry something has happened with Jackie again. You have both been through too much! Prayers and massive hugs to you both.

Val, did the vet say anything about the possibility of Sassy doing this due to Jackie's "disability"? I realize it can happen in the wild when a glider has a handicap or illness.

How long has Jackie and Sassy been together now? I'm sorry, I have forgotten. I am having serious issues with gliders at this time also.

hug2
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God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.

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#469277 - 02/04/08 05:38 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: SugarBlossoms]
BCChins Offline
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Registered: 11/16/05
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Val I am very sorry to read this. You are all in my thoughts. If you ever need someone to talk to in the middle of the night feel free to call me I am up and at work. Cell in on.

Hugs to all 3 of you
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#469297 - 02/04/08 06:07 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: BCChins]
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Registered: 02/15/07
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hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2
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#469300 - 02/04/08 06:16 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: jannee66]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
Posts: 6573
Loc: Kilgore, Texas
hug2
You all are in my prayers!!!!!
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#469315 - 02/04/08 06:29 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Cora]
sugarlope Offline
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You are both in my prayers, so sorry he is going through this! hug2
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#469316 - 02/04/08 06:29 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Cora]
minkasmom Offline
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Registered: 11/08/04
Posts: 5965
Loc: Northeast Indiana
Val, I'm keeping you in my glider prayers tonight. You and Jackie Chan have been through so very much together...in my eyes, you've earned at least 6 extra sparkles in your halo. (and I'm being extremely conservative)
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#469329 - 02/04/08 06:43 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: minkasmom]
LSardou Offline
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Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
Loc: Kansas
cry My heart is aching for Jackie-Chan...for Sassy...and for you....I know it's been a long long road for him Val, but with all the love and determination that you have for this precious little angel he will continue to thrive on the joy of love....
I feel that what sugarblossms suggested that it could very well be that Sassy instinctually is trying to help rather than hinder JackieChan.
Sending you, JackieChan, and Sassy much love and prayers! hug2

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#469360 - 02/04/08 07:21 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: LSardou]
TracieB Offline
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Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 4338
Loc: Lenexa, KS
I'm sorry to hear that Jackie is having problems again. cry Sending prayers out for Jacki Chan, you, and Sassy. hug2
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#469370 - 02/04/08 07:39 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: TracieB]
Melissa2721
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Val, I am so sorry to hear about what you are going through ! I hope everything works out for both Sassy and JC hug2

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#469437 - 02/04/08 08:42 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: ]
tbull Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 3884
Loc: Wyoming
Big Hugs for all of you. hug2 hug2 hug2 he couldn't have a better more loving mommy. I know you'll find the perfect new buddy for Sassy too. hug2
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#469443 - 02/04/08 08:48 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: tbull]
pappy1264 Offline
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Registered: 08/31/06
Posts: 11015
Loc: MA
That poor little guy! Praying hard he can heal up and Sassy will accept one of your others.
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#469564 - 02/04/08 10:56 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: SugarBlossoms]
Jackie_Chans_Mom Offline
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Registered: 05/01/07
Posts: 2511
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: SugarBlossoms


Val, did the vet say anything about the possibility of Sassy doing this due to Jackie's "disability"? I realize it can happen in the wild when a glider has a handicap or illness.

How long has Jackie and Sassy been together now?
hug2


Jackie and Sassy have been together for 10-11 months.

Our best guess is that it is Jackie's "disability" that Sassy continues to try to rid him of. I have no other guess at this time as to why she would continue to open him back up. This time, though, was not the exact same spot as before. This was more on his hip and leg than directly midline on his butt.
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#469597 - 02/04/08 11:17 PM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Jackie_Chans_Mom]
SandSmammas
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You and little Jackie are in my prayers. I am so sorry that you are going through this. hug2

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#469714 - 02/05/08 06:25 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Val, you know you have my prayers and support! hug2 hug2 If I can ask...could you take some pics and send them to me? I'd love to include him in what I'm doing
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#469732 - 02/05/08 07:38 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Xfilefan]
Yaniah Offline
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Registered: 01/01/07
Posts: 709
Loc: Illinois
I hope he gets better soon. frown I know how much you care for him, I will keep him in our thoughts.
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#469794 - 02/05/08 08:52 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Xfilefan]
Jackie_Chans_Mom Offline
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Registered: 05/01/07
Posts: 2511
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Xfilefan
Val, you know you have my prayers and support! hug2 hug2 If I can ask...could you take some pics and send them to me? I'd love to include him in what I'm doing


I replied in the thread with pix.
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#469799 - 02/05/08 09:02 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Jackie_Chans_Mom]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Val, I'm so sorry that Sassy wounded him again. Hopefully they will learn to live without each other and not become too depressed by the separation. I'm definitely keeping all of you in my prayers hug2 hug2 hug2
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#469801 - 02/05/08 09:07 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Jackie_Chans_Mom]
AmyLynn
Unregistered


I cried when I read this. Sending hugs and prayers your way.
I hope he makes a speedy recovery and never has another problem. He is lucky to have you. And I'm glad he does!!!

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#493231 - 03/03/08 09:21 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: ]
Jackie_Chans_Mom Offline
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Registered: 05/01/07
Posts: 2511
Loc: Texas
Well, here we are at 4 weeks since this incident. Jackie is healing well, but now that his stitches are beginning to come out it is clear that he is not healing up like i would like for him to. Darn that separated spine. He just can't heal like he needs to.
Don't get me wrong, he is doing MUCH better! He had opened up just a little bit before, and was overgrooming very badly, so we put him back on antibiotics for another week just to be SURE that he did not have another infection. Furthermore, his cage was completely cleared out, soaked for 2 2-hour shifts in an antimicrobial cage wash, and everything replaced to ensure that he was not getting infected again. He still remains in his travel cage (cage rest) so I don't think he is opening up due to being overactive.
His head is still overgroomed, so I am going to attribute it to being sad about being separated from Sassy.

Here are some pictures of his bum and head from yesterday:
Jackie's bum healing up

The Healing Process

Jackie's overgroomed head
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#493240 - 03/03/08 09:32 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: Jackie_Chans_Mom]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 10983
Loc: Denton, TX
I love that little boy so much!

He isn't a healer, but he is a FIGHTER. He loves his life. He is a miracle - humans might take his hardships and see that as a reason to give up. Not little Jackie! He keeps on fighting! And loving his yoggies!

I'm sorry he has to be separated from Sassy. It is hard on them both - but for the best, I know.
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#493249 - 03/03/08 09:44 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: ValkyrieMome]
tbull Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 3884
Loc: Wyoming
hug2 hug2 He is a fighter and soooo lucky to have a mom like you that will fight right along side him. cloud9 Give Jackie afew extra yogies from us.
I think his bum looks alot better. He is just healing really slow, so it heals well. mlove
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#493282 - 03/03/08 10:15 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: tbull]
tngliderlover Offline
Glider Lover

Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 548
Loc: Gallatin, TN (near Nashville)
Val, Jackie Chan just amazes me! He's a determined little guy. mlove
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#493296 - 03/03/08 10:30 AM Re: Another plea for Jackie Chan [Re: tngliderlover]
AmyLynn
Unregistered


hug2 for that tough little guy. Can he ever be put with another glider? Not Sassy but maybe a little one.

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