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#48850 - 06/15/05 08:51 PM Breeding for Colors
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I'm interested in genetics (always have been) and I'd like to apply this interest to gliders. The main colors I'm interested in are White-Faced Cinnamon, Leucistic, Albino, Ringtail, and White Tip. If there is a name for Priscilla's het for leu glider that has all white extremities I'd love to breed for that too. I'm curious to know how these colors come about, what characteristics may prove to carry the genes, and also if random displays of color occur. I'm sure that a random color had to pop out from somewhere, but what line and what characteristics did the parents have? Thanks in advance!


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#48851 - 06/16/05 02:20 AM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Snow White as far as I know is not a Leucistic. Instead she is a Mosaic. Because the mosaic is heavily marked with white...this variation is often refered to as a white on white.

Now the fun part... in reality non of us know what kind of gene is responsible for Snow Whites color and some of her offspring.

However, my guess is that the mosaic is nothing more than a Co-Dominant gene as it appears to produce somewhat like the White Face Blonde. With that said... then there is a possibility that when this mosaic variation throws a normal color.... it is not a Het and only the Mosaic Pheno type will throw the white on white variation in it's offspring.

It appears that only one mosaic parent needs to exhibit the color when bred to another dominant type variation and is the reason I feel the Mosaic gene is a Co-Dominant one. Co-Dominant genes have a tendancy to dilute the color.


Edited by Judie (06/16/05 02:26 AM)

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#48852 - 06/16/05 03:41 AM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Snow White as far as I know is not a Leucistic. Instead she is a Mosaic. Because the mosaic is heavily marked with white...this variation is often refered to as a white on white.

Now the fun part... in reality non of us know what kind of gene is responsible for Snow Whites color and some of her offspring.

However, my guess is that the mosaic is nothing more than a Co-Dominant gene as it appears to produce somewhat like the White Face Blonde. With that said... then there is a possibility that when this mosaic variation throws a normal color.... it is not a Het and only the Mosaic Pheno type will throw the white on white variation in it's offspring.

It appears that only one mosaic parent needs to exhibit the color when bred to another dominant type variation and is the reason I feel the Mosaic gene is a Co-Dominant one. Co-Dominant genes have a tendancy to dilute the color.

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Well said Judie well said indeed!

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#48853 - 06/16/05 06:54 AM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
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Most color variations randomly appear. White Faces, white tips, leucistics, all of them origonally came from "normal" lines. White faces are now being breed for, so they usually have a pedigree. White tips are still pretty random and little is known about their genetics, but more and more breeders are starting to work with them. Leucistic is a recessive trait, so you have to breed two gliders with the leucistic gene together to produce leucistic...

In order to produce white faced cinnamons, you need to find a WF with cinnamon backgrounds and pair it with a cinni or you can pair a WF with cinni that's been proven to throw color when paired with a normal.

The mosaic coloring you like with the white legs and arms is, like Judie said, a co-dominant gene. Priscilla actually has 2 joeys for sale right now that might carry it. They are out of "Bat and Amber". Bat and Amber are part of a trio with another female, Amy, so if you see joeys for sale from either of those posible pairs they have *I think* like a 12.5% chance of carrying the mosaic gene... If you can find another unrelated mosaic het, then by breeding the two together, you might be able to produce the white legs you like. But, finding an unrelated mosaic het could be a little hard. Sheila's Joleen is a mosaic, so one of her joeys or their offspring would work...

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#48854 - 06/16/05 07:39 AM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
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I might be wrong, but last time I checked Sheila's page Joleen wasn't breeding right now? What are the chances of producing a mosaic glider from Bat and Amber and Joleen's baby? What about Haley or Shady? Thanks in advance <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#48855 - 06/16/05 07:59 AM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
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Joleen is currently with Priscilla, but there are a few breeders out there with her joeys. Jennifer Bender in Ohio, is one of them.

Haley is a platinum, not mosaic. We don't yet know the genetics of platinum, so we'll have to wait and see what she produces...

Shady, I don't think has actually produced yet. It will be interesting to see what she pops out as well.

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#48856 - 06/16/05 01:12 PM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
petsugargliders Offline
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Yep, I sure do have one of Jolene's precious little ones. His name is Twister, a white face blonde and possible het for leucistic. He is expecting his first little one with our white face champagne in the next month or so. (Fingers Crossed) I am VERY excited!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />

Although, last I spoke with Sheila, she said that Jolene is considered a platinum...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
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#48857 - 06/16/05 01:14 PM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I could have swore she had her listed as a mosaic on her site, but I guess I'm going nuts... Oh well, won't be the first time, lol.

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#48858 - 06/16/05 01:27 PM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
petsugargliders Offline
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I think she did....or does, but when we spoke on the phone she said she is considering her a platinum. I guess being that there is very little history for Jolene, it is a bit hard to classify her color....
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#48859 - 06/16/05 01:58 PM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Shady is a daughter out of Snow White and is close to being two years now oop. I have owned her since she was weaned. Her sister has produced mosaic... however, one must remember her sister expresses the mosaic color and Shady does not.

This little female has yet to produce a live offspring. I sent Shady back with Sheila to see if I can get an offspring by being housed in a different enviroment.

As to color... I do not think Shady will produce mosaic because she is of normal coloration. Otherwords... the mosaic gene is one where... either the glider expresses the mosaic coloration and if normal color...the glider does not carry the mosaic gene. At the time I did a trade with Priscilla for Shady by giving her Sapphire (100% Leucistic Het out of Sesamie and Shy Baby)... I thought Snow White was a full Leucistic. I myself.... never noticed the gray hairs in her coat nor around her eyes.

If one pays attention to Priscilla's breeding of the Mosaics... one will notice when her gliders produce a Mosaic... one of the parents is always a Mosaic and many times the other parent is a color variation of the standard glider and not a white on white.
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#48860 - 06/16/05 02:44 PM Re: Breeding for Colors [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
If one pays attention to Priscilla's breeding of the Mosaics... one will notice when her gliders produce a Mosaic... one of the parents is always a Mosaic and many times the other parent is a color variation of the standard glider and not a white on white.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Yup that is usaly where her mosaics come from.

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