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#49256 - 06/20/05 10:25 PM Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies
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Here are some links that have useful info regarding the vitamin C and iron content of fruits and veggies. In a nutshell, citrus fruits have a high vit. C content and green peppers are a vegetable that has a very high vit. C content. Green leafy vegetables (spinach, collards, etc) have a high iron content as well as green peas, green beans and potatoes (both regular and sweet). Corn and carrots do not have a high iron content.

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T042600.asp

http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_food_guide_fruit_vitamin_c.htm

http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_food_guide_fruit_vitamin_c_apple.htm

http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_food_guide_fruit_vitamin_c_apple.htm

http://www.healthgoods.com/Education/Nut...hecklist.htm#L3

http://www.mynahbird.com/articles/diet/diet.html

This last link is to a myhna bird diet recommendation. If you read on down into the link, you'll find where it discusses iron content briefly.

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#49257 - 06/21/05 12:47 AM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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Thanks, I was just wondering that-

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#49258 - 06/21/05 07:23 AM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
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Loc: Wallis Texas
The theory about excessive iron in the sugar gliders diet is still in its infancy. There is no conclusive evidence that this is actually a serious problem. It will take a more in depth study as there are so many factors to consider. Worldwide the deficiency of iron in the human diet is more of a problem than excessive iron. I doubt the basic vegetables and fruit we feed our gliders is a problem with iron overload. There would be more of a threat from meat, especially red meat or soy products. The ferritin in soy products raises the iron absorption to 27% instead of the expected 5-10%. If a person is concerned about high iron levels in the glider diet I would suggest avoiding citrus fruits, soy products, red meat, leafy vegetables, and anything with elevated levels of Vitamin C. You should also consider the contents of any commercial diet food you are giving your gliders.

In our quest to include variety in our gliders diets we sometimes do more harm than good.
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#49259 - 06/21/05 10:21 AM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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This diet thing just gets more and more complicated in my head! CharlieH, I am feeding the BML diet, and the main veggies my guys get are green beans, peas, sweet potatoes, corn, and carrots. As far as fruits go, I feed raspberries, strawberries, blueberries, green grapes, mango, papaya, tomatoes (rarely) and cantalope. Do I need to change any of this?
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#49260 - 06/21/05 10:48 AM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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USMom, I am right there with you, and I have the same question. I don't feed tomatoes though (not that that's a bad thing, I just never thought of it).

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#49261 - 06/21/05 11:06 AM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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I just posted this under Jimbo's other post "List of Fruits and Veggies to feed" but I thought it might be useful here as well.

I just went online looking for some kind of website showing contents of different veggies and fruits and came across this http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/minchart.htm

It shows fruits and veggies that are high in Calcium, Phosperous, and Iron. They are each seperated into their own group and you can see what you would be able to feed you glider, in order not to over do it on one or the other.
And I just noticed that at the top of the page, there are links for fruits and for veggies that shows all the mineral contents and their amounts for each fruit or veggie. Hope this helps!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#49262 - 06/21/05 01:53 PM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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Don't go [censored] out and change your BML diet. That isn't the point of this post. The point was to show what fruits you should most likely limit or avoid altogether. The reason being, that they can cause an increase in iron absorption. I know somebody who's lost several gliders and all of her necropsies have come back with the same verdict - too much iron in the liver. Originally, the point of this post was to get folks to think purposefully about what they are feeding their gliders and on what night. For instance, I wouldn't feed both red grape or kiwi on the same night as green peas or sweet potato. One thing to remember, glidermom, the BML in the BML diet will balance out a great deal of the dietary concerns.

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#49263 - 06/21/05 05:17 PM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Jimbo if you want to see something shocking look at the amount of iron in kiwis and strawberries in comparision to the quantities in Florida oranges. Here is a good sight to look up almost any nutritional values you want.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

I always plug in 100 gms for each item and that way it is simpler to figure percentages.
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#49264 - 06/21/05 11:54 PM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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Shawna, when it comes to diets, there have been times when I wanted to beat my head into the wall!! Really. The key to success with the bml diet is to keep it simple. Your veggies are great, except that I don't personally feed sweet potatoes. With your fruits, try some of the simple stuff, like apples, honeydew, pears, and use the red seedless grapes. I only feed grapes about twice a month. Papaya and mango are fine too. I am far from being an expert, but I was finally convinced that keeping the diet simple was the key, and it works beautifully!

I used to be the smorgasboard queen of glider dinner! Too many different things seem to overwhelm them. I tried every diet out there. They didn't eat worth a flip. Finally after much trial and error, and help from B, I did learn that keeping it simple and moderation in foods works. My gliders pretty much wipe out their food every night. I think Jimbo can attest to this as well.

I was trying to make a mountain out of a molehill when it came to feeding. By following a couple of simple common sense rules of thumb, it's not only easier on me, but my guys eat well too. Oh, and I threw out about 900 bags of treats too! A few treats at the right times go a long way. And one of those times is not before dinner like I was doing! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

It's simple to keep the vitamin C and iron contents at a relative balance. If you're feeding a fruit high in C, then feed a veggie low in iron. Also, I read where a lot of people whose gliders won't eat veggies or fruits, make slushies and add vitamins and calcium to them. I made that mistake in the beginning too. It cost me dearly with the loss of gliders due to livers saturated with iron and zinc. There are so many vitamins in just the food alone, we tend to go into over-kill with wanting to add more. If you are using the bml diet, the vitamins are adequate. Some excellent links have been provided in this thread. Look up some of the foods and when you see just how many vitamins are actually in them, you will be amazed!

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#49265 - 06/22/05 04:32 AM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
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Mimijo you made an excellent post. Use common sense and keep the diet simple. And forget the treats except in the morning.
Charlie H
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#49266 - 06/23/05 09:56 AM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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Can I get more confused here??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> How much is too high? I printed the sheets for the fruits and veggies but what is too high? It seems all fruit has vitamin c and how low should the iron be when given with the fruit? I read someone posted that sweet potatoes were high in iron but I see that it only has .55mg. AAAHHHHH......

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#49267 - 06/24/05 08:38 PM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
Bourbon Offline
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Registered: 04/01/99
Posts: 5333
Loc: Bee-Bopping round SnakePit USA
one of the things that we are looking at... is that certain foods AID in the absorbtion of iron, Vitamin C is one of the componants that aid in the absorbtion.. with the BML, I am stressing more and more to stay with the basics, keep things simple. many people feel they must feed the foods that are high in calcium, and they are not paying attention to what foods are reacting in which ways.

everyone is concerned and wants to do the best for their gliders, what some don't understand is that they may be loving their gliders to death. a lot of people watch the basics.. ca to ph ratioos, reductions of fats. And not watching other componants of the diet.

this is not just a problem in the BML, but all of the diets. keep it simple, they are not complicated, don't make the diets more complicated than they are.

while watching the foods that aid in the absorbtion of Iron, also watch the high iron content foods. This is what these posts are saying. The diets are not that complicated, the more we learn, the more we find we do not know, but in the process, what we do learn, we try very hard to bring to light, so that others too are aware, so they can make educated decisions.

for example to give, a glider sweet potatoes, and at the same time offering them spinich.. it is very much like pouring gasoline on the fire. since spinich is higher in iron, and the sweet potatoes helps the body absorb more of it.

the biggest problem with iron is that it is stored in the liver. hence COULD this be an issue with the liver problems we are seeing more of? maybe, maybe not. but if it is and can be contributing to it, then maybe we should be looking at what we are doing to try to reduce those cases.

everyone is going to make their own choices, sadly many choices are made out of love, but may be the wrong ones. so what are we to do???

with the BML, I highly suggest staying with the basics that are listed in the plan.. if you choose to feed other fruits and veggies, then at least look at any possible problems that could be coming out of it.

Again this is not just with the BML, but ALL of the diets..
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#49268 - 06/25/05 11:46 PM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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Ana, the USDA site states that sweet potatoes contain 1.01mg of iron. However, take a look at the vitamin C content, the same potatoe cooked the same way contains 28.6mg of vitamin C. That huge amount of vitamin C is helping the liver to store every mg of iron in the potatoe as well as any iron content in the other foods they eat at the same time.

I would like to know what makes onions and garlic bad for gliders? If you look at the vitamin content, it looks pretty normal. Does anyone know exactly what it is in the onion or garlic that makes it "bad" for gliders? Yes, it is higher in phospherous than calcium, but not as great as in other veggies. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> I'm just curious is all. There must be some valid reason why they have been designated as no-no's other than the taste!

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#49269 - 06/27/05 05:27 AM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
The thiosulphate in onions and garlic is toxic to dogs and cats. I suppose it is 'assumed' to also be toxic to sugar gliders. Don't think anyone has actually done any research in this area with gliders. Here is a link that explains the problem with giving the onions and garlic to dogs and cats.

http://www.petalia.com.au/Templates/StoryTemplate_Process.cfm?specie=Dogs&story_no=257#ct-4

Charlie H
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#49270 - 06/27/05 08:02 PM Re: Vit. C and Iron content of fruits and veggies [Re: ]
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Thanks Charlie, very interesting as I have never heard of thiosulphate before. I never took chemistry in school! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I learned something new from the site you posted and that is macadamia nuts being harmful to dogs and cats. I never knew that, although I did know about the choclate, etc. Good information!

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