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#50054 - 06/30/05 11:31 AM Eucalyptus globulus
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
Has anyone tried feeding their gliders Eucalyptus globulus? I found this site: www.eucproducts.com/ and was wondering if my gliders might like some leaves or branches in their cage.

I had ordered a Eucalyptus viridis seedling and the gliders loved it, but we didn't have enough sunlight and it died. I don't know if E. globulus is native to the areas where sugar gliders live.

I emailed the guy who is selling them, and he maintains a grove in Northern California, and they are not sprayed. He says he gets a lot of orders from glider owners.

I'm not sure about their toxicity. This site says they are mildly toxic, but this one says that "all species also known as blue gum" are ok.

I wonder if the first link is based on a generic toxicity list for placental mammals. I know that all Eucalyptus is antiseptic to placental mammals (kills bacteria and the like), but wouldn't Eucalyptus be pretty much safe to Australian marsupials? Another thing to note: I know that the Taronga zoo held a symposium on koala care back in the 1970s and there was a research paper that came out, talking about how they were able to feed E. globulus to koalas with no problems.

Thoughts?

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#50055 - 06/30/05 11:36 AM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
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Sarah- I miss Norman and my family there, but check out australiaplants.com they have a lot of different eucalyptus available.. and a list of several which are glider safe..

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#50056 - 06/30/05 12:53 PM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
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Where did you order a seedling from? I love plants and would be really interested in getting one for the glider kids.

FYI - Is eucalyptus toxic to cats? We have one cat that really likes ot eat our plants.

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#50057 - 06/30/05 02:14 PM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
SarahW Offline
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Loc: Norman, OK
You can get them at australiaplants.com , but the seedlings aren't available for every species they carry (they mostly sell seeds). If you live in or near Virginia, you can drive and occasionally get larger (2'-10') trees instead of seedlings, but they don't ship big plants. On their website, they mention that they had emailed Dr. Stephen Jackson, a vet at the Melbourne Zoo, and he responded that all species of Acacia and Eucalyptus were ok to give to gliders.

I have ordered E. cinerea from Goodwin Creek Gardens. They sell small seedlings.

I guess my thing is, we don't have enough room or sunlight in our apartment to grow a Eucalyptus tree indoors, and our lease prevents us from planting them outdoors. So I would need branches and leaves from a tree that is already grown.

You can also order perches from Animal Environments , but most of the stuff there is sold in either manzanita or eucalyptus, so make sure to ask.

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#50058 - 07/01/05 12:39 AM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
Lucy Offline
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Registered: 02/14/01
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Loc: Lexington, KY
Stephen Jackson is a good source of information, but I have read for so long that we should be careful of the types of eucalyptus given that I'd be reluctant to give any that I didn't know to be native to the areas they naturally inhabit.

Windmill has sent me seedlings in the past for the Bridgesiana species, but my gliders loved the leaves so much they never became sustainable plants.
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#50059 - 07/01/05 07:31 AM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
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I recently bought 3 Acacia Mearnsii (Black Wattle) trees, well, they're about 3 foot high at the moment, but I wanted them to incorporate into my gliders living quarters and diet. They're a bit small at the moment but they can grow upto 6 foot in a year (if I don't kill them first!). These are apparently one of the most abundant trees in a glider's natural environment.

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#50060 - 07/01/05 12:24 PM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ozzi]
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yes!
Where did you find 3 foot ones?!
Thats awesome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#50061 - 07/01/05 12:28 PM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
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I agree with the above. I would really make sure I knew where this plant came from and be sure to find out if and pesticides have been used or has been in contact with. I wouldnt give any to my babies unless I was hundred percent sure. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frostyangel.gif" alt="" />

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#50062 - 07/01/05 02:21 PM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: zookeeper18]
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and I second thequestion of where since though my seed grown eucalyptus' are doing fine and about 6" high in 2 months, the acacia haven't made it- gonna try again next week once other things let up around the house... I only had one sprout and it didn't make it past about 1".

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#50063 - 07/01/05 10:33 PM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
Well, I ordered a small number of branches (3 foot-long branches) and a couple pounds of leaves. They won't ship until next week so I will have a little time to do some more research. I have read a couple articles now about areas reforested with A. mearnsii and E. globulus, and how gliders that were reintroduced were doing fine, and also in some areas how the gliders came back on their own. I will post some references soon, so others can read, too (I know not everyone has access to a university library, so if I get pdfs I will make them available).

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#50064 - 07/01/05 11:31 PM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
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Hi, I thought that I had read on a site (it may have been Suncoasts) that in correspondence with the Austrailia Zoo they said why would one bother with Eucalyptus as the gliders don't eat it?

Might be worth checking into.

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#50065 - 07/03/05 01:17 AM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
SarahW Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 542
Loc: Norman, OK
Well, it's mostly an environment alteration experiment to see how they react to it. I know that my female gliders will eat Eucalyptus because I had E. cinerea and E. viridis seedlings for a while. I would break off a branch and they would eat the leaves and then chew on the branches. In the wild, gliders lick the sap of Acacia and Eucalyptus, which is kind of like eating it... But even if they just take the leaves into their pouch for bedding, that'd be what they do in the wild, so that is ok. And if they don't care about it, I can always make it into a wreath or something!

I am interested in the perches mainly because Eucalyptus is a harder wood with a rougher bark than manzanita. I would rather the gliders sharpen their claws on wood than sandpaper, especially because they run in the wheels less frequently when the nail trimmers are attached. We have cholla and manzanita branches, but the boys chew through the cholla pretty quickly looking for things in the holes. I don't like how manzanita smells when the gliders pee on it. I really like the smell of Eucalyptus, and if it's natural and the gliders don't mind it, I don't see the harm.

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#50066 - 07/03/05 03:06 AM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
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[:"blue"]Yes, eucalyptus is dangerous to cats, but not to gliders. They mostly don't eat the leaves unless they're very young/tender, mine just use their sprigs for leaf bedding, stick climbing and acacia gum chewing, and eat the flowers.

I could find no study anywhere that said eucalyts are in any way toxic to gliders, and my vet (like Jackson) said all acacia & eucalyptus are safe. The reason they are risky for pure carnivores like cats is the volatile oils and indigestability of the fiberous leaves, neither of which are risks for gliders. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />[/]

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#50067 - 07/04/05 06:05 AM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
yes!
Where did you find 3 foot ones?!
Thats awesome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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Sorry guys - I'm in the UK, it was a really lucky find actually, there's only about 2 places that sell it over here! Here's the website anyway http://www.eucalyptus.co.uk/


Edited by moorie999 (07/04/05 06:15 AM)

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#50068 - 07/07/05 02:07 AM Re: Eucalyptus globulus [Re: ozzi]
Anonymous
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I thought this info would be helpful:
I emailed a wildlife manager who does research on gliders in their natural habitat in Tazmania & asked him for scientific names of local trees commonly consumed by gliders in his area- he kindly responded to my email with three trees he said were favorite food sources(I was able to find seeds for some of them online)
-Manna gums (Eucalyptus viminalis)
-Silver wattles (Acacia dealbata)
-Banksia (Banksia marginata)
I hope this helps!


Edited by outnumbered (07/07/05 12:07 PM)

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