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#5173 - 02/15/02 06:40 PM Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it
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I will start off by telling you that I have a pair
m/f gliders that are 8 weeks OOP. I have had them for 2 weeks and I noticed two days ago that the little girl looked sick. Her eyes were not bulged out like they should be and she hung her head down . I immediately made an appointment with the vet for the following day for the both of them even though the male was not showing any symptoms.
Basically the vets diagnosis is as follows:
The girl has an overgrowth of bacteria and protazoa. He thinks that what has happened is they were taken from their mother too young (obviously) and they have not been able to maitain
normal body temperature.( They both had white noses, not pink). Thus they have been using all of their energy to try and keep warm so they cannot digest properly because of lowered immunity. He has them both taking .2cc of Sulfatrim Susp. and .4cc of Metronizadole.
So I have been giving them their anitbiotics, giving her pedialyte/h2o mixture, and I bought a 60 watt ceramic heat lamp to place near their nest box.
The vet says he'd rather me let them stay in the cage and not take them out because since I have had them for only two weeks they may become stressed. I have not fully bonded with them yet so he doesn't want any added stress that could keep her from getting better.
So if I can't cuddle with her what else can I do? Is there anything else I should be giving her to help her out? Could she have gotten this from yogurt w/ live and active cultures? Anyone who can help please respond, I do not want to lose either one of my babies. <img src="graemlins/worried2.gif" border="0" alt="worried" />

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#5174 - 02/15/02 07:41 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Overgrowth of normal flora in the gliders intestine is usually contributed to stress. <p>My suggestion is monitor the gliders very closely. Be sure they are warm and are able to get fluids down them. The medication should stop the overgrowth as well as the diarreah. Make sure they have something to crawl into to get away from the light and also are able to move away from the heat ommited if too warm.<p>Babies this sick are sometimes difficult to turn around if they are refusing to eat or drink for the average person. I hope the vet administered fluids under the skin and suggested you take them back to him in the morning for at least a check as to how well they are hydrated.<p>The yogurt did not create the problem. The stress of being sold too young, new inviroment and inablility to keep warm along with the overgrowth and then more than likly diarreah are key factors here.<p>Please take you little ones back to the vet early in the morning to be sure they are well Hydrated.
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#5175 - 02/15/02 09:21 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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Flora is the normal bacteria that lives in any one place. In this post it is the healthy bacteria in the intestines. (no stupid questions)

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#5176 - 02/15/02 10:01 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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Giardia or trichamonas? When I got Penne she had trich. We went through months of treatments, which does nothing for the bonding process, except set you back far beyond the beginning!!!
Yet, without treatment I don't think she would have made it! We tried fenbendazole, failure, them metronidazole. After the main treatment the most exotic knowledgeable vet in the Houston area recommonded 5 days on 5 days off for 5 cycles of the metronidazole. Well, she conceived during this treatment and Aries was born, their feces is normal, and Aries looks great. At the moment, all is well. The only difference is...#1fact...she had it when I got her so it had to be an element in the " pet shop". There was a diet called "Prickly Pear" that was fed, I have now stopped that diet and I give them bottled water only. I don't know what was the deciding factor at the pet shop that gave her such a severe problem, but I think we have it on the run!! I Hope!!! Good luck to ya!!<p> <img src="graemlins/heartpump.gif" border="0" alt="heart" /> them <img src="graemlins/littleglider.gif" border="0" alt="glider" /> 's

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#5177 - 02/16/02 02:36 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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My vet told me to leave her in the cage and not to handle her. Since we are not bonded yet this may cause more stress. But every time I stick my hand in the cage to give her food or her medication, she jumps on me and does not want to get off....up until her being sick she did not climb on me???? So do I hold her or set her down?????
I did not specify enough....she is eating and drinking normal. She is out at night and during the day to eat. They both have been getting a water/pedialyte mixture once a day, plus they are both drinking from their water bottles. ( I boiled their water bottles today)
The vet is not worried about them dehydrating because they were fine when we took them in and continue to drink as normal. He wants to see them in ten days after the duration of the medication is administered.
Both of their noses are still a little white ( they have pinkened up alot since they first went in but aren't getting fully pink) could this be from the sickness or are they still too cold?????? <img src="graemlins/worried2.gif" border="0" alt="worried" />

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#5178 - 02/16/02 02:46 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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Hmm... I think Robin's gliders had lost color in their noses and feet because of a lack of iron. Right, Robin?<p>I really am not sure but I think you should ask your vet. If it were me, I also would call Bourbon and ask her what a white nose means. Her number can be found on the Self-Mutilation website.<p>Good luck with your little ones, I hope they pull through and get healthy.

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#5179 - 02/16/02 03:33 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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My vet said that they both looked a little anemic (low iron). He said that he thinks it goes back to their body temperature. He feels that they are using all of their energy to keep warm thus not having enough energy to digest and process food properly. So he thinks that the nutrients that they are getting are not being administered through their bodies properly and wasted.
Does this sound wrong????
If so what should I do to bring their iron up???
You mentioned calling Bourbon......do you mean emailing or can I actually call? I would love to get the telephone # if at all possible.
Thanks Toni!

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#5180 - 02/17/02 03:44 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/25/01
Posts: 9173
Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
When a sugar glider is cold and dehydrated their hands and feet where the hair is white is noticebly white. This is due to the blood preasure droping from lack of fluids.<p>A glider or any other animal who is suffering from Anemia will have pale colored gums.<p>If the gliders were not dehydrated then the paleness of the gums could indicate lack of iron. To be absolutly sure, a blood draw whould determine if and how low the levels are by sending to a lab and requesting a profile being done.<p>If the gliders are still pale looking after the 10 day period I suggest perhaps the vet needs to do a blood profile to find the cause.<p>[ 02-17-2002: Message edited by: Judie ]</p>
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#5181 - 02/17/02 09:04 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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Bourbon tends to get tons of e-mails, so I know people often have trouble reaching her that way.<p>I also think she gets a lot of random phone calls from concerned glider owners, so don't worry. Her phone number is listed on that website I posted for those people who have glider emergencies. If your vet cannot answer your questions to your satisfaction and if your glider's condition has not improved, I personally would try to give her a call (at a decent hour unless it's life or death). []images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/] You may want to have your vet check her out again, though.<p>The only thing I really remember is when Robin rushed her glider to Tennessee to be looked at by Bourbon and her vet, her vet said to watch (in the following weeks) to make sure her nose and toes stayed pinkish. I have no idea if this could be the case with your glider, your mentioning her lack of color just reminded me of this other emergency. If your vet is glider-knowledgable then by all means stick with his advice. But if your glider isn't getting better and you don't think your vet knows what is wrong, then by all means call up a glider expert to help your little one. []images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/] How is she doing, btw?

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#5182 - 02/18/02 09:01 AM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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Registered: 04/01/99
Posts: 5333
Loc: Bee-Bopping round SnakePit USA
I have not picked up my email, much of it gets filtered before I get it, but Judie knows as others that an emergency, i will take the calls if I am home.<p>as for the glider several things Judie has already pointed out, the one most important thing she left out however, is that this joey was pulled too early from it's parents, therefore their ammune system is down as well. which in reality means, that the meds are having to fight this problem alone. the white nose and feet, (outside of stress) is a sign of anemia, which again with these tiny ones are a serious problem, the protozoian type parasites also are a problem, as their little systems do not have a natural way to defend itself nor can help repair it.<p>Dehydration, will remain a problem, untill this starts to clear up, maintaining their own body temps, also is a problem, so to that I highly suggest you carry her in your bra as much as possible during the day.<p>You may call it is no problem..
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#5183 - 02/18/02 12:03 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bindy:
<strong>Flora is the normal bacteria that lives in any one place. In this post it is the healthy bacteria in the intestines. (no stupid questions)</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Please excuse me if I'm wrong, but everything I've ever read or learned in school about flora is that it has to do with the type of plants in a given area. Fauna is the term used for animals in a given environment.

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#5184 - 02/18/02 02:52 PM Re: Bacteria and Protazoa Overgrowth any extra suggestions worried they wont make it [Re: ]
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LOL actually flora can mean both, much like saw and saw.. the over growth of flora that is spoken of in the stools is the bacteria, whether it is a natural bactyeria or not. the specifications is what separates it from the rest.. for example e-coli is a natural flora in the stools, but an overabundance obviously means there is a problem..,
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