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#518869 - 04/02/08 06:13 AM Hi, I'm new with lots of questions.
melissa9784
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Last weekend I brought home two sweet babies, Pinky and Piglet. After doing a little research on this site and many others I realized that my husband and I bought them from a company and not a private breeder. We bought them at a home and garden show from Perfect Pocket Pets. The poor little animals were cramped together in a dirty cage with no food but a small amount of dry kibble. We listened to him talk and fell in love with the little girls. As soon as I got home we put the girls in there home with the heat rock and no fleece pouch as he had suggested (he didn't want them bonding to there cage...what an idiot). THANK GOD I started doing a little research online that same day. Within 1 hour the heat rock was gone and they had a fleece pouch to sleep in. The man also told us to only feed them dry food and he let his eat Pizza Hut and Dorritos. That night we made them a dish of egg yoke, meal worms, boiled chicken, applesauce and raspberries. They are now on the BML diet and I bought some Repcal calcium and vitamins. I still have so many questions about the girls. They have almost doubled in size since Saturday and seem to be bonding well (they love to sleep on my husband and I and come out to jump and play). We have a appt with an exotic vet this coming Sat since (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets has been known to sell sick SG babies. I was hoping some of you could help anwsear some questions until then?

-why dont they want to sleep together in their pouch, only one will sleep in it at a time and it is big enough for both of them?

-is a small hamster ball bad for their small toes (I have a wodent wheel in their cage)? I bought one at the petshop that is approx 3-4 in Radius but haven't put them in it yet?

-one is much larger than the other one and climbs all over the small one. Piglet (the smaller one) sometimes crabs and hisses, is she in pain or just annoyed at her sister?

-car travel...any suggestions? My husband and I are moving next month and it will be a 4 day car trip. I was thinking of getting a small cage for that time in the hotels at night and letting them sleep in their bonding pouches with breaks for food and water every few hours during the day.

-speaking of cages, the one that we were told to buy from (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets is only 2'x2'x3'. For 2 gliders how large should we go? I was looking at a larger one that measures 36"x36"x76".

-what can be used to clean the cage itself? I have been changing the aspen beding every 2-3 days but plan on scrubbing the cage down with antibacterial soap 1 time a week. Is this enough and do I need to use something besides the anti-bacterial soap?

Any other help or suggestions please feel free help!




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#518876 - 04/02/08 06:45 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
pappy1264 Offline
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Registered: 08/31/06
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Welcome to GC! It sounds like in just the few days you have had them, their lives have improved dramatically! I would put at least two pouches in their cage (most use at least and 8"x8", I like mine bigger, I make them about 10"x11"). Most gliders will sleep during the day, so you really wouldn't need to worry about food, but a small water bottle on the cage is a good idea (mealies and waxworms work well for a quick 'snack' on the go!) Many use fleece in the bottom of the cage. Make sure they cannot reach the aspen (mine don't reach down through the grates, but some gliders do). I (and many here) will use clorax wipes for wiping down the cage. You don't want to over clean, either. But sounds like you have a good plan. Make sure to really rinse and dry the cage well. I would not (personally) use the ball. I think I have read if they have the holes their nails can get stuck. Good you are taking them to the vets. When she is crabbing or hissing, is she trying to go potty or is it more of a 'get away from me' to her sister? Siblings and cagemates can have 'squabbles' (as long as they don't ball up and fight) I wouldn't be concerned. But if she is doing these noises, while trying to go potty, that would be reason for concern. Gliders can vary greatly in size. Do you know if they are sisters or just cagemates? The smallest you want to go with two is 36" high (height is the most important). That cage sounds great, but make sure the bar spacing is NO MORE than 1/2 inch, as otherwise, they could get out.

You are already well on your way to being an awesome glider slave (kudos to you for doing your research, your babies will thank you for it!)

Any more questions, as away! And we LOVE pics!!!!
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#518991 - 04/02/08 10:53 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: pappy1264]
melissa9784
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Thank you for all the advice!!! I am buying another sleeping pouch today and gave the exercise ball to a neighbor with hamsters. I will try the bleach wipes too.
Piglet crabbs while, Pinky is on top of her. I think that they are wrestling and hoping they are not fighting. Most of the time they seem to be licking each other and rolling around with no noises. But Piglet from time to time will crab. I think that Pinky also may be marking her while this "wrestling" is happening. I do not know if they are sisters. (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets, is not reputable and told me they were sisters. I also hope and pray they are both females! Is there any way to tell while they are young? Neither have testes or the bald spot on the head.

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#518996 - 04/02/08 11:04 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
pebbles1975 Offline
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Boys have poms on their bellies and girls have a slit. The one girl might be trying to ride on the other sister's back. As they do when they are young on their parents.
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#518998 - 04/02/08 11:06 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
pappy1264 Offline
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Registered: 08/31/06
Posts: 11015
Loc: MA
If neither have testes, they are females. Which one is bigger? Sometimes younger gliders will try to 'ride' on older ones (something they would do with their parents and if the left very young, it could be that). Are they balling up and rolling around? Can you get pics so we can see the size difference? I'm sending you a pm (look for a flashing envelope at the top of your screen. Click on it, then message.)

You're welcome. It will be two years on June 15 when I got my first glider and I knew nothing! This place has been a godsend to me!!!!
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#518999 - 04/02/08 11:07 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: pebbles1975]
webbster
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How old are the gliders? They do not get a bald spot until they are 4 - 5 months old. My six month old is just starting to get his.

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#519013 - 04/02/08 11:28 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
melissa9784
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Ok as far as age that is one reason we are going in for a vet visit. (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets said they were eight weeks. I do not know if that is eight weeks old or eight weeks OOP and feel really bad I didnt know to ask. It was an impulse buy that my husband and I are trying to right by reading all we can and trying to give them a wonderful habitat, diet and family (colony). Pinky was almost double the size of Piglet on SAT when we brought them home. Both have fur on their tails so I hope that they are eight weeks OOP. Pinky is still larger and she is the one trying to ride on Piglet's back. They appear to be grooming each other ect. They do roll around but there is only occasional crabbing. Most of the time the seem to hold on to each other with there little fingers and snuggle. I will take some pics of this and of them and post them this afternoon.

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#519064 - 04/02/08 12:04 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
pappy1264 Offline
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Registered: 08/31/06
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Loc: MA
Watch to make sure the bigger one is allowing the smaller to eat. I'm so glad to know you are giving them the best start after where they came from. Those people need to be stopped! I just wish I knew how......sigh.
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#519093 - 04/02/08 12:49 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: pappy1264]
LindsayAnnG
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WOW.. i think what you are doing is GREAT!! my first glider came to me from a similar situation. I got him on a semi-impulse buy. I saw a girl in a different pet store with them and i just wanted them. I did some research adn ask a lot of questions and then got one, but i didnt find this site till after i got my glider.. THEN i started changing things like diet and cages and getting him a friend, or 4..

But anyways.. dont beat yourself up for making the impulse buy, those faces are hard to say no tO!! The good thing is that you are on the right track getting everything thoe little guys need

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#519615 - 04/03/08 08:30 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
melissa9784
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My little Piglet is very sick today. I had to rush her to the vet last night. She started having watery diarrhea and shaking, thankfully the vet agreed to see her so late. Piglet and Pinky both were negative for giardia and other bacteria/parasites. The vet thinks that Piglet (my smaller baby) was taken from her parents too young. He thinks she is probably just eight weeks OOP (I bought her Sat and God only knows how long she was with those horrible people at (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets). She is extremely stressed and her little immune system is shutting down. Thankfully she is not self-mutilating at this point but Pinky is shunning her. I have her on preventative anti-biotics, probiotics and a immune supplement from red palm fruit. I have only been able to get her to eat a little yogurt. She is drinking water too. Early this morning I found her sleeping at the bottom of the cage and she seemed to be out of it. I picked her up and she was very upset (crabbing ect) but it almost seemed like she was blind. I got her out of the cage and wrapped her in fleece and held her for a bit. After a few minutes she seemed to come to, just weak. I got her to drink her antibiotics and other meds this morning. I have her in her bonding pouch because she didnt want to leave my hand. I am so worried about her!!! Is there anything else I can do or should be doing???

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#519626 - 04/03/08 08:40 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
GoGoGliders
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I would call Suz immediately

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#519628 - 04/03/08 08:41 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
GoGoGliders
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here is her info
Phone: 440-953-0904 -or- toll-free 866-399-4476

If it's an emergency and you get the answering machine, please leave a message!

(please call before 9 p.m. New York time unless it's an emergency, in which case I'm available 24/7).

e-mail: sugarglidersuz@yahoo.com

She is a savior when it comes to this stuff

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#519668 - 04/03/08 09:55 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
melissa9784
Unregistered


Thank you! I called and left and msg and e-mailed too. My babe is crawling around in her bonding pouch.

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#520252 - 04/04/08 01:11 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
KattyM Offline
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Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 9910
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
First of all, don't beat yourself up. I also bought on impulse (after grilling the folks for several hours). Unlike you, I didn't find this board until a month later, so you're leaps and bounds ahead of the game!

Keep little Piglet warm, as you're doing, and make sure she doesn't get dehydrated. To help keep her warm, you can wrap her in a bit of fleece and put her down your bra or shirt. Or, just put her in your bra or keep her against your skin. Your body heat will help keep her warm.

For dehydration, try the "tent test." Pinch the skin between the shoulder blades and pull it gently. If it stays tented, she's dehydrated. Especially with diarrhea, she could lose lots of fluid. If she is, you can give her Pedialyte (straight, not diluted). Look for the version for rehydration (Pedialyte RS [rehydration solution]). It’s a little higher in electrolyte content and helps get back to normal more quickly. You can slow the diarrhea by giving 1 or 2 dry oatmeal flakes (not instant).

If she's not eating, you can try offering her BML as a licky treat, along with hand feeding bits of her fruits and veggies.

If you have another cage arrangement, you might want to separate them. And if she doesn't show signs of improvement, I'd take her back to the vet.

Sitting on the cage bottom and having the other glider shun her are not good signs. worried Please keep us posted!
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#520257 - 04/04/08 02:03 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: KattyM]
ORsuggiemomma Offline
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oh, I am hoping your baby gets better! sounds like you are wonderful parents for them! hope to hear soon she is doing better!
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#520271 - 04/04/08 05:49 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
melissa9784
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Piglet had a better day yesterday. I was able to get her to eat some yogurt and a little of her BML. She also ate a small piece of apple. She drank water from a syringe and some gliderade. I had her in the pouch all day besides food/water breaks and she seemed to perk up. I put her to bed at midnight and she curled up with her sister. When I woke up at three I knew something was wrong. She was cold and laying flat on the cage floor. She was barely moving and her little fingers were curled tight. I picked her up and tryed to warm her by wrapping her in fleece and putting her against me. I was going to jump in the car and go to the vet but she died a few minutes later. At least I got to hold her and pet her little head and she didn't go alone. I am so upset! I can't believe my little baby is gone cry cry cry cry! It only took five minutes and she left me. Her sister is doing well but I am worried now since we got them from the same place.

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#520304 - 04/04/08 07:45 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
LSardou Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
Loc: Kansas
cry I am sorry to hear about your little baby. You did everything that you could to help her. Please know that even though her life with you was short, she now is at peace filled with the joy of knowing your love.
Many prayers being sent your way.
Godspeed sweet little one....
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#520309 - 04/04/08 07:51 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
super_stooge
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i am so sorry to hear about your baby. you did everything you could, she couldnt have had a better chance anywhere else. what ever you do dont blame yourself, atleast you made her last few days happy ones. had she still been at (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets she probably would just have died in a trailer sumwhere and been swept up and dropped in the garbage

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#520460 - 04/04/08 12:04 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
EGM
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I am so sorry to here that. You did all you could and gave her the love she needed.

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#520756 - 04/04/08 07:24 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
How sad. cry
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#520822 - 04/04/08 08:34 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: Judie]
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I'm so sorry. hug2
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#521425 - 04/05/08 06:00 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: sugarlope]
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I'm so sorry hug2
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#521440 - 04/05/08 06:23 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: BeckiT]
72304
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UGH! This makes me sick! Another victim of Pocket Pets!! Thank God you decided to come on to Glider Central and do some research! I'm glad the babies are in good hands!!

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#521586 - 04/05/08 10:04 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
Airyelle
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(PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets seems to me like is very illegal what they are doing. That is so sad, I'm sorry for your loss.

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#522133 - 04/06/08 08:26 PM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
dookiesmomma
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Sweety I am so sorry! HUGS!

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#522335 - 04/07/08 06:35 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
melissa9784
Unregistered


Thank you all. I burried my little girl on Fri. I miss her so much but am thankful I had the time I had with her. I can't believe that she had such a huge impact on me in the week we had her. I will miss her forever.
The good news is my other baby, Pinky is growing and active! She loves her Judie's BML and crawling all over us. My husband and I actually made her a pouch, hammock and trampoline from Suz' webpage (Thank You Suz!!!!).

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#524051 - 04/09/08 12:23 AM Re: Hi, I'm new with lots of questions. [Re: ]
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Registered: 06/04/06
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I'm so sorry for your loss. hug2
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