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#530909 - 04/17/08 07:01 PM Pocket Pets in AZ
JordIDGE
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Ok so today we went over to a friend's house and his step dad was askin about r gliders and that when he goes to his shows to sell stuff, Pocket Pets is always there and a lot of the times the guy is in the station next to his. he was saying the guy always has a huge crowd and that he walks away with up to 30,000$ sometimes. dunno if that amount is exaggerated or not but still, a lot of money is what he's getting at. anywho, do you think i should ask where the shows are he goes to and try to get info or anything? i just wanna help shut them down and figured anything could help. any suggestions?

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#530974 - 04/17/08 08:09 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
bdeese
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Getting ahold of any info they are giving out I think would be a big help.
I cant remeber who was doing the investigation but there was also someone on here whose vet was suing (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets

Good Luck!

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#530984 - 04/17/08 08:17 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
GourmetGuru
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sadly enough 30,000 is not unheard of...unless my math is wrong, they would only have to sell 102 gliders to get that.

$589-includes
cage, accessories and 2 gliders.

$589 x 51=$30,039

So they only need 51 families to purchase.

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#530985 - 04/17/08 08:18 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
LSardou Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
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You can contact me thru PM, or go to SESG You will find information there on what you can do.

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#530996 - 04/17/08 08:32 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: LSardou]
JordIDGE
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ok thanks will do. i guess my friends dad sees them at home and garden expos. he said the guys makes his own cages and stuff too. i was thinking going to them and maybe recording what they were saying? is that a good idea?

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#531384 - 04/18/08 01:23 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
XxJulixX
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Ugh it sounds close to a puppy mill. I hate those where they only breed pets for money and dont even care about the animals.(hey may care about the animals but I wouldnt know)...Why does everyone always sell suggies at a car show,reptile show, any show at all? Some people are experienced enough to do that but most of them probably arent.

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#531393 - 04/18/08 01:37 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
silverwolf Offline
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Registered: 06/15/05
Posts: 1732
Loc: Utah
they are mill breeders and very poor ones at that they usually sell sick and underage gliders that end up dying from being pulled from mom to soon. Most of the babies have giardia and are very sick so yes they are mill breeders that care nothing about their gliders at all. Those on this board are hoping to get them shut down because of the horrible conditions their babies are in when sold.

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#531402 - 04/18/08 01:45 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: silverwolf]
reject5grl
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I would say if you record them, be discreet about it. I think they'll be less inclined to say things if they knew you were recording them. Also, play dumb, like you've never seen a sugar glider, so they'll try to make a sale with you.

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#531670 - 04/18/08 08:37 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
JordIDGE
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What is giardia?

Ya i've thought about what i;d do if i ran in to them several times before. that's why i was all omg when i heard they were here in arizona. it's like the came to me!! i imagned havin my tape recorder in my purse and playing dumb and then once i get all they're saying wrong on tape just WHAPA take skid out and be all you're bad and going down Pocket Pets! and then procede to tell the crowd what gliders are really like and that these guys are a mill breeder

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#531682 - 04/18/08 08:50 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
Melissa2721
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What shows does your friends dad go to ? I live in Az and haven't heard of them being here before.

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#531700 - 04/18/08 09:00 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
JordIDGE
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just phoenix home and garden expos. i didn't know they were even out west cause all the other posts about run ins with them seem to come from the eastern us areas and central. i'm def. gonna find out when the next expo thing is and go

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#531725 - 04/18/08 09:21 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
suggiemom
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" i imagned havin my tape recorder in my purse and playing dumb and then once i get all they're saying wrong on tape just WHAPA take skid out and be all you're bad and going down Pocket Pets! and then procede to tell the crowd what gliders are really like and that these guys are a mill breeder "

Just an FYI if you were to say ANYTHING negative about them in front of people they will have you physically removed from the venue. And before anyone says they can't do that, yes, they CAN and they DO. Been there, done that......LOL

I also end up at a lot of the same venues as these guys with my wildlife/exotic rescue group so I hand out flyers explaining why you shouldn't purchase gliders at fairs, flea markets or trade shows. Believe it or not, people are very interested in what we have to say because we have no monetary involvement so they tend to believe us.

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#531732 - 04/18/08 09:27 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
Melissa2721
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Originally Posted By: JordIDGE
just phoenix home and garden expos. i didn't know they were even out west cause all the other posts about run ins with them seem to come from the eastern us areas and central. i'm def. gonna find out when the next expo thing is and go


I would love to go, so if you ever here of anything please let me know wink

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#531753 - 04/18/08 09:55 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
JordIDGE
Unregistered


hmm flyers are a good idea

would it be a good idea to get PETA involved? It might result in laws prohibiting gliders thou so idk since they are so radical and powerful

yah, i'll def. let you know if i hear anything goin on about the next expo

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#531868 - 04/19/08 02:42 AM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
JordIDGE
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one of james' dad's friends was over tonight and he saw our gliders and said that he sees Pocket Pets all the time at GUN SHOWS

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#531880 - 04/19/08 04:31 AM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
morbidelf Offline
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Registered: 02/28/08
Posts: 538
Loc: Norfolk, VA
are you serious??? gun shows?? people are going to buy them thinking they are for target practice or something inhuman like that!!! my dad is out that way still i think i am sure he would go to one of those expos! i would be afraid that my dad would knock the sellers out though. it would be so worth it to see these people with a broken nose!! keep all of us updated on what happenes! if there is anything we/i can do to help bring these people to a stop let us know!
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#532130 - 04/19/08 03:08 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: morbidelf]
buttercup
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Usually, from what some of us think, they do gun shows because if husbands drag their wives to these places, (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets counts on the wives to possibly impulse buy, so that's who they will appeal to.

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#532140 - 04/19/08 03:38 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
Mamikins
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How horrible!!! (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets really needs to be put out of business!! I'd love to see someone break one of thoses sellers noses as well UGH!!

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#532243 - 04/19/08 06:40 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
JordIDGE
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yah when he said gun show i was shocked... i can't believe they even let them sell animals there. i googled it and its all about guns and Pocket Pets isn't even on the list of exhibitors so i dunno. but the guy goes to lots of gun shows and sees the guy there. that's how he knew what ours were

glider's should not be bought on impulse. people need to know what they are getting in to and do research on them before they buy. (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets apeal ethic is terrible for doing that, amoung other things

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#532292 - 04/19/08 08:08 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
suggiemom
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No offense, but this thread is really very redundant as there are two others on this very same thing that are active right now.

Yes, (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets shows up at trade shows, gun shows, etc. because they ARE targeting females. (Those are their own words told to a fellow exhibitor). They know the men are spending money on guns and boy toys and the women can walk away with a couple of hundred bucks worth of cute fuzzies and all will be well in husband land.

There is a movement to help get rid of Pocket Pets. You should check it out by going to http://sesg.suggies.net

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#532302 - 04/19/08 08:15 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
Lilleethesugee
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I just have one thing to interject that is a little off topic but not completely don't try going to the BBB they will lie and right now I am not sure that they haven't started a lawsuit which is totally made up something about extortion and lawyers and lies I has supposedly told or something.

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#532609 - 04/20/08 11:01 AM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
suggiemom
Unregistered


Who is lying? (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets? What about extortion and lawyers? Is (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets saying that we are extorting and lying? I'm confused. (Not unusual...LOL) but if that's the case, this is exactly the reason that the mill breeding project has taken hold. We need to be ORGANIZED and only use FACT based evidence. We all hate them, but that's not going to lend us credibility. It doesn't lend us credibility for people to see them at venues and cause a scene. There are ways to get the info we need on them without resorting to underhanded or unwise tactics.

We may not like them, but they are not stupid people. They have a lot of money backing them and we don't so we absolutely must do things the right way and that is by taking first hand accounts of sick and abused or neglected animal cases and using them against them. If we can't shut them down, maybe we can force them into cleaning up their act at the very least.

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#532763 - 04/20/08 03:28 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
JordIDGE
Unregistered


Originally Posted By: suggiemom
No offense, but this thread is really very redundant as there are two others on this very same thing that are active right now.


..i'm sorry. i am not able to go thru and read every post so i just made my own.. i was just telling everyone the info i knew as it was coming. i was just surprised that they are at gun shows. i don't believe i've repeated myself.. just tryin to help get them shut down.

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#532789 - 04/20/08 04:11 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
Lilleethesugee
Unregistered


Yeah well after I got my Lillie who was so sick I tried contacting after all the bad advise and telling me at the event they never need to go to the vet I did take her the vet she almost died. I contacted them again and left voice messages and emails they said they responded to the BBB but didn't. They said I was extoring money from them because I asked for a refund. In Florida gliders have to be kept in Large cages and they sold me one telling me it would last her forever that was way below the law! I want at least something to show for this all all the vet bills and everything I mean give me a break. But yeah the words they used were extortion and that I was a liar, and slanderous emails and voicemails, and web postings. They couldn't go into it any further as their attorneys advised them to cease contacting me and that they were pursing pending legal proceedings. Yep that's what I get trying to go through the BBB for resolution. I want them to take me to court... I want them to prove that anything that I have said is slanderous.... I want them to take me to like Judge Judy or something. They have nothing because none of what they have drempt up is true. I left them two voicemails saying that Lillie was sick and that I thought they should help with vet bills as she has been sick from day one and they had given me deadly advise. Extotion? What because I feel I am due a refund for unusable stuff? Yes I signed a warranty and all that but they sold me things I wasn't supposed to use! Including a cage that would be against the law for me to house my glider! Just be careful I had no idea what I was up against and now I do and I may have to get a lawyer!

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#532916 - 04/20/08 07:02 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
suggiemom
Unregistered


This might be a GOOD thing for you in the end.....you have vet bills and advice, etc. that contradicts everything they said to you. I even have copies of your emails to them where they gave you MEDICAL advice for your glider which is practicing veterinary medicine without a license. THEY are the ones at fault here and nothing you have said is either slanderous nor a lie. It is your truth, your story. They can whine and cry about it all they'd like.

Jordan, don't take it personally, I was just saying it's the same thread over and over again. Every time someone sees them in their town a new thread gets started and the information is spread out once again.

I don't expect you to read every thread...but when there are threads that are many, many pages long one would think you would skim it before making another. It just makes it more difficult to centralize the information.

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#532971 - 04/20/08 08:04 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
Lilleethesugee
Unregistered


yeah it might be good but what a pain and unneeded stress that I don't need in my life. Oh well, I started it and you'd better believe not only will I end it I will win in the end. I have lawyers in my family anyways and as a matter of fact my best friend is a lawyer and went to Harvard so if I need it I have it at my disposal. I just hope that they will realize the error of their ways and just do the right thing.

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#533376 - 04/21/08 11:12 AM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
suggiemom
Unregistered


You hang in there girl and don't let them intimidate you just because ol' Virgils got money coming out his ears! It won't matter in the end when you have EVIDENCE that what you say is truth. And there are others in many other states who will collaborate your story and back it up with even more evidence. It'll be hard for them to talk their way out of the DOCUMENTABLE mess they've created for themselves with their lies and greed.

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#533805 - 04/21/08 08:01 PM Re: Pocket Pets in AZ [Re: ]
Lilleethesugee
Unregistered


exactly and I may not have very much money but my family does.. I am the poor one lol. They will pay for whatever is necessary to fight!

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