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#53840 - 08/12/05 04:42 AM Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING!
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
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First off, here is the warning: If a glider hisses while PEEING, NOT pooping, GO TO THE vet. While pooping usually indicates constipation, but I have NEVER had a glider hiss while trying to pee that didn't have a UTI.

Chronos began hissing/peeing yesterday afternoon, only problem was, I couldn't tell whether it was from poo or pee, since he went both. So I increased his fruit in case constipation was an issue. It wasn't.

By today, he was out early in the day, and not only hissing while trying to pee (no poop for certain), but it was ending in a crab. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> So now I know, AND know he's hurting. He went to the vet earlier last night. Having been thru this before, I KNEW what the vet would find, even though I had to send Chronos w/ the hubby and had to go to work myself.

Sure enough. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" />

TWO strains of bacteria in the urine in extremely large numbers. Gram positive.

No Crystals (thank goodness!)

He had VERY dilute urine, and a single cell of what the vet called "casts" -both of which could either indicate kidney failure (because only 1 suspicious cell, and that Chronos is very young, the vet thinks that unlikely) or that the infection has reached his kidneys (likely). He will be retested in 3-4 weeks if all goes well just to rule out a kidney problem. (Of course I called the vet when I got home at 2:30 and talked to him, since I couldn't be there, and all the hubby could tell me was "he has an infection" :rolleyes: ) We take him back in immediately if things get worse or don't improve significantly in 3 to 4 days.

In the meantime we have 10 days of Baytril to give him. This little guy has been through so much already (I haven't had him very long, and he came to me with 7 intact toes and half a tail), but is the MOST loving little guy you ever met...I feel so bad he's going through this. Keeping fingers crossed!
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#53841 - 08/12/05 06:47 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Jen, this is exactly how we non-veterinarians learn about our gliders' symptoms and illnesses and treatment. Thanks for involving us in Chronos' illness. Prayers for a full recovery, and I hope you'll post updates so we can also participate in the recovery.
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#53842 - 08/12/05 07:11 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Thanks 4 sharing Jen, and lot's of luck too....

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#53843 - 08/12/05 07:41 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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hugs to u and your glider.........hope he makes a speedy recovery..................Cora
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#53844 - 08/12/05 07:52 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
USMom Offline
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Thank you for the information. I would hate to have to use one of your e-collars because I didn't know this. I hope he gets better. Wishes for a speedy recovery to him!
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#53845 - 08/12/05 08:20 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Thank you so much for the info. It is always nice to hear what other people & gliders go through...so if it happens to one of your own sweeties, you will have an idea of what is going on. Thank you so much. Prayers and hugs to you all.

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#53846 - 08/12/05 09:21 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Thanks so much for sharing that... I knew that could get UTI's but I never knew the symptoms!I am definatly gonna remember that!!! I hope your little man makes it through this!!! GOOD LUCK!

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#53847 - 08/12/05 09:42 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Jen, Give Chronos some extra snuggles for me. Poor little guy. I am so glad he is in your care and that you (unfortunately) have the experience with various illnesses in gliders so know what to look for.
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#53848 - 08/12/05 12:25 PM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Oh dear, not my lil boy - you give him extra lovin's from Auntie - if I end up being able to attend the Utah get together, you'd better bring him for me to snuggle with (Don't worry, I'll keep him away from Zoe) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

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#53849 - 08/13/05 08:18 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Jen, thank you for posting this information and for providing such detail. As Lucy stated above, this is the only way we non-vet people will understand the nature of a problem. I wish a speedy recovery for little Chronos!

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#53850 - 08/13/05 05:45 PM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Oh my! Poor little Chronos! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I know hes in awesome good hands tho, and youll make him all better. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
Give him lots of love and cuddles from all his Aunties here!
Saying a prayer for a speedy recovery! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
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#53851 - 08/14/05 04:34 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Well, he was still hissing pretty good yesterday, although the crab at the end was gone.

Note on the crab part, and why I mentioned it. This indicates pain. If allowed to continue, the next step can be SM, as the glider feels it is under attack, and tries to attack back (compounding the problem).

Today, the hissing while peeing is down some more, and after the first few seconds, he was able to pee without sound! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> This means the antibiotics are working and starting to pull the infection. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />

Just a note: Chronos was still within his one month quarantine period when this showed up (I'd had him about a week or so at SGGA). Although he was on Clavamox for an infected toe during the SGGA, this could still be something that came with him, and was not helped by the Clavamox for some reason, or not eradicated while the toe thing was going on at the same time, making it bounce back with a vengeance. I know we cannot completely quarantine new animals in our homes, however, this is the reason I, for one, recommend as much quarantine as possible for at least a month when a new glider is brought home. I took both Riker and Chronos to the SGGA, but was careful about washing in between handling each one or their things, and not letting their things come in contact with each other, including pouches.

The importance of this: Riker is a Self Mutilator. The last time he threatened to SM was with a bad UTI. You never know what a new glider can bring with them, and it is NEVER the new glider's fault. Had I allowed them, their things to interact, and Riker had contracted this, I very easily could have had to put him back in a collar again (not desirable). Just thought I ought to mention this.

But I am happy Chronos is now showing signs of improvement!
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#53852 - 08/14/05 04:35 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
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Thanks, also, everyone, for your encouragement. In addition, making sure to give extra snuggles from all the "Mod" Aunties!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#53853 - 08/14/05 11:22 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
Karin Offline
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Shot in the dark here...but I wonder if the UTI's could possibly come from taking previous antibiotics? Some humans get bladder infections from some antibiotics...just a thought.

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#53854 - 08/14/05 11:47 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Hey, it's not only the "Mod Auntie's" who care about this little guy, I fell for him, too. Lots of loving from me too.
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#53855 - 08/14/05 11:53 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
Dancing Offline
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Karin, that is a very good point. I know of humans that anytime they go on antibiotics, they end up with yeast infections. A friend's son, every time he went on antibiotics for ear infections (or whatever) would end up with thrush (yeast infection in his mouth).

I don't think I would have made that connection. Nice thinking Karin.
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#53856 - 08/14/05 12:43 PM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
USMom Offline
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Jen, have you tried giving him some diluted cranberry juice? My gliders love it, and that is what the dr recommended I drink on a regular basis to help avoid UTI's and another kidney stone. Knock on wood, I haven't had either since I started drinking it.
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#53857 - 08/14/05 09:56 PM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Hmm, just when we know everything about gliders, something new pops up. Thanks for sharing the info with us, Jen.

My newest worry is not being able to hear the hissing while excreting. Hmmm, we will have to figure that one out when time comes.

I have also fallen for Chronos. When I first saw him, he had my heart <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />.


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#53858 - 08/14/05 10:24 PM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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About the yeast infections when on antibiotics, the reason for that is that the a/b's kill not only the bad bacteria, but the good bacteria as well. In the absence of the bacteria, yeast (which is a fungus, and not susceptible to a/b's) over-proliferates, and you end up with a yeast infection.

The reason cranberry juice helps a UTI in humans is that it changes the pH in the urinary tract and makes it an inhospitable environment for bacterial (and I guess fungal) growth. I'm not sure if it works the same way in gliders.

At least that's my understanding. Take it for whatever it's worth. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

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#53859 - 08/15/05 12:15 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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PeeperKeeper sounds right on. Antibiotics predispose to yeast by dropping bacterial counts of flora.

Karin's thought about antibiotics CAUSING urinary infections is a little less straight-forward to follow. Certainly the antibiotic could alter which kinds of flora are present in the cloaca. Disturbing flora is always risky for natural defenses. The upper urinary tract (really everything above the cloaca) should be sterile. There isn't any flora there to alter. Antibiotics shouldn't change the normal urinary tract itself except for cloaca. Not an impossible association, but not expected.

Quarantining is a good idea when a new glider enters the colony. But urinary tract infections are not contagious from one animal to another. Quarantining won't stop them, or most bacterial infections for that matter. Parasitic infestations and viral infections are more likely to be interrupted by quarantining. But airborne viral infections would need strict isolation, like different rooms, etc. Just another thought.

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#53860 - 08/15/05 11:09 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
Karin Offline
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Thank you Schlep <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />. I figured my thoughts were way off base, since we really don't know how antibiotics may or may not affect a glider's system. It was one of those things that just *popped* in my head <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />.

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#53861 - 08/16/05 12:25 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Karin,
I don't think you are off base. Any change can make things happen, and cloaca flora is likely not well-studied. The upper urinary tract is just different, being a "sterile" area. (Suppose to be sterile.)

What you described is exactly what can happen in other areas, for instance take an antibiotic for a cold and get ear or sinus infection from having messed up the upper respiratory tract flora.

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#53862 - 08/16/05 01:24 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
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Schlep, that's what I'm thinking happened, since he was on 10 days of Clavamox the end of July/first 3 days of Aug for an infection in his toe, then 10 days later and WHAM, we've got a UTI. I'm thinking the first course imbalanced something in there, so we ended up with an infection elsewhere.

As to passing bacteria, I'm sure you're right, but Riker just gets the strangest things so easily..honestly I wouldn't put it past him to pick up a bacteria in an odd place, either. I caught flesh eating strep from a doorknob once-lost a piece of my thumb, and had blood poisoning (it took an entire 36 hours from infection through a literal pinhole, to dead, black, tissue and the telltale red streak to my elbow; they almost took the thumb off!)..so I tend to be probably a bit overcautious.

Also, I value your opinion greatly, and was wondering if you could expand on exactly what "casts" are, and how they work, where they come from exactly, etc?
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thanx.gif" alt="" />


Edited by Xfilefan (08/16/05 01:25 AM)
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#53863 - 08/16/05 02:02 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Im not schlep... but I may be able to answer the 'Casts' question for you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
There are different types of Urinary "Casts" (teeny tiny small 'tubules' in the urine). A Dr./vet can tell a number of things about different urinary problems/ kidney conditions by looking at any Casts they may find under a microscope (when looking at the urinary sediment). A certain number of the type 'hyaline' casts is normal to have. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Tubules in the Kidneys secret proteins... under certain conditions, the proteins come out to form little cylindrical impressions of the tubules called 'Casts', that are then expelled in the urine. If there is anything thats not supposed to be there in the tubules, it gets trapped in the protein casts. Sooo the Dr./vet can take a look at these casts under a microscope and check and see how the kidneys are functioning or check for certain conditions.
(Hope that made sense <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> )
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#53864 - 08/16/05 02:15 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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To a degree <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Now you're getting into the depths of my curious nature!
1) How many types of casts are there, and what do they signify?
2) What, exactly, may have been in this cast to indicate either a kidney problem, or kidney infection--in other words, what did the vet see?
3) What are other problems that could be indicated by the presence of these cells, and what does the vet look for to identify the different potential problems?

So yes, it did make sense, and thanks for the reply, Hope. I'm just one of those who needs more info, so if a vet tells me "this is what I see", I can understand what the implications may be and ask intelligent follow up questions, so I know just what is wrong, and can explore options.

Also, does something like this maybe show up when liver problems are an issue (asking because of Gimli).
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#53865 - 08/16/05 03:21 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Ok, let me see if I can answer these... dragging out the school books. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

1. Hyaline casts -- these casts are made of the protein itself. They are usually caused by dehydration, exercise, or diuretic medicines (although, as I said before, the presence of *some* of these type 'casts' is normal). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Granular casts -- these casts include prominent granules and indicate an underlying kidney disease. However, they are non-specific and may be present with diverse kidney disorders.

Fatty casts -- these result when fatty (lipid) material is incorporated into the cast from lipid-laden tubular cells. Fatty casts are seen in the condition of lipiduria (lipids in urine), usually as a complication of nephrotic syndrome.

Red cell casts -- these signify bleeding into the tubule from the glomerulus. They are seen in many diseases affecting the glomerulus, such as IgA nephropathy, lupus nephritis, Goodpasture's syndrome , and Wegener's Granulomatosis. Red cell casts may degenerate and appear in the urine as reddish-brown, coarsely granular casts, called blood or hemoglobin casts.

White blood cell (WBC) casts -- these are more common in interstitial cell kidney disease, such as interstitial inflammation, pyelonephritis, and parenchymal infection.

Renal tubular epithelial cell casts -- these reflect damage to the tubules. They are seen in renal tubular necrosis (for example, caused by nephrotoxic drugs, heavy metal poisoning, or ethylene glycol), viral disease (such as CMV nephritis), and with transplant rejection.

Waxy casts -- these casts are associated with advanced kidney disease and chronic kidney failure.

2. See number 1. Also, the vet may have not seen anything too horrible from what he examined, could be that the UTI was a good enough one to reach the kidneys, causing a possible kidney infection (or the possibility to). sounds like you caught it in good time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

3. Without typing a HUGE post, again, see number 1. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

With more than 100 different tests that can be done on Urine... as to liver problems... usually the glucose levels, biliruben, certain enzymes, color, odor, etc... in the urine will help give a clue to liver damage. Im assuming though, that with some, say for instance the 'Fatty Casts' that are seen usually as a complication of nephrotic syndrome, which can occur with many diseases, like Kidney disease caused by Diabetes, the liver is also be involved. In depth the list goes on and on..... Etc etc....
Confused yet? I am. LOL. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#53866 - 08/17/05 01:06 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Jen, Thanks for the nice comments.

Perhaps this is an oversimplification, but I would approach the question of casts as a differentiation of kidney and upper urinary tract disease (more dangerous and bad) from lower tract disease like bladder infection, which is not so ominous and more straight-forward to treat.

We are usually talking about this in the context of urinary tract infections, so red cell or white cell casts in a UTI work-up are tipping us off that this infection is in the kidney (pyelonephritis) and not just a bladder infection. That is bad news, more serious, more likely to cause scarring and damage, more likely to progress to sepsis and bacteremia (infection in the blood). As noted, the casts are made by some product being deposited in little tubules in the kidney tissue. This is much like stool forming a tootsie roll shape in the bowel tube, then moving downstream and out. The shape is formed by its previous container. So the casts are not really the tubule, but gunk that collected in a tubule and was shaped like the tubule leaving a "cast" or mold of it.

Bladder infections can be treated with lots of fluid, or perhaps one dose of antibiotic, or acidifying the urine with cranberry juice, etc. They usually don't do much damage if confined to the bladder, and don't make one too ill.

Pyelo is another story. As noted above, amorphous protein granular casts may not indicate infection trouble. But enough protein loss to make protein casts may possibly indicate other glomerular disease. (The glomerulus is the filtering apparatus in the kidney.) Some glomerular diseases lead to dialysis in us, and aren't good news for a glider.

I'd rather not see casts.

By the way, not everything that causes burning and pain is a UTI. Kind of like diaper rash, with skin breakdown, could sting like crazy when stool or urine hit the raw area. Since we don't have cloaca's, I'm out of my element. But I suspect that SOMETIMES antibiotics or diarrhea or a torrid affair disrupt the normal cloaca and surrounding epithelium, and normal urine burns raw skin. Then, when culturing urine, we get stool bacteria from the cloaca (quite normal to be there) in the specimen and it gives the appearance of bacteria in the urine. I fight this problem in babies all the time, trying to decipher real from circumstantial evidence of a UTI. Your rug rat gets radiologic evaluation of a real UTI, so I really want to know if it was legit. So, bottom line, be attentive to burning, hissing, chewing, etc. Collect the best specimen possible- we still get mid-stream clean catches from the gliders. (I rent out my daughter who can catch a glider peeing with a sterile cup like nobody.) Look for one germ in high colony count (> 100,000 colony forming units per high power field on the microscope) in the pee culture. Several things in lower count is contaminated culture and worthless. And I wouldn't be afraid of xylocaine jelly, (KY with numb medicine), on an irritated opening, especially for a Self-Mutilator. Or triple antibiotic ointment with numzit. Good stuff.

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#53867 - 08/17/05 03:35 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Thank you Schlep (and Hope!). That expanded a bit. I will definately take this to my vet when I take Chronos in for his recheck. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

As of now, no more disgruntled sounds or hissing when urinating, though he will stay on his meds until they are finished, per instructions. I hope he's okay after. We already have one SM, and one with a liver problem, and I don't want to add one with a chronic kidney prob. or disease to that, but I will if that's what it turns out. After all, its not HIS fault, and I'll deal with it as it comes.

Do cranberries actually work with gliders? (Have to ask!). I have given him some craisins since this started, the softest ones, but no actual juice (thought juice might be TOO acidic). What do you guys think?
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#53868 - 08/17/05 10:15 AM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Jen, I'm not sure about the cranberry juice being a benefit but my gliders do like it. The get it on occasion and I have never seen any adverse reaction to the acid. They do seem to pee more when they have had juice (of any kind) over straight water so that may be the benefit, helping to flush things out.

Hope, Schlep...wow! I am truly impressed. I'm also almost scared that what you both put I mostly understood. Guess I learned more in biology class then I thought.

Thank you to all three of you. This information is the type of stuff that needs to be researched and discussed like this. I may not be a vet but anything of this nature I learn may ultimately help me help my vet to think in different directions when they run out of ideas.

Chronos...You little darlin....Billy and Sam are sending their best wishes to their "brother" and want me to tell you to quit worrying Jen so much! And Riker, you're the man. You got to have a talk to Chronos and tell him life is better without meds and ecollers!

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#53869 - 08/17/05 09:31 PM Re: Chronos has a UTI, w/a WARNING! [Re: ]
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Wow, what a fascinating post. Schlep and Hope, thank you so much for sharing your expertise!

We're all sending our prayers for Chronos' continued (and lasting) recovery. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
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