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#543256 - 05/04/08 03:35 PM need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please
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my male gliders penis is hanging out like an abilical cord (1 1/2 inches hanging),and he has been kinda of attacking it and making all kinds of rucus aswell as making himself bleed there!! I am very concerned please if you could have an answer for me before tomorrow moring when i am taking him to be checked out but please id love some feed-back thank you
joeys moma ..ps you can contact me at thicknsweet05@yahoo.com or 502-299-8413

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#543258 - 05/04/08 03:38 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: Anonymous]
Feather Offline
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Registered: 01/19/08
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Ok I am new here. But you need to get him into a ecollar and to a vet. Do you have any plain KY jelly that you can moisten the penis with.

Hopefully one of the more experienced people will see this post.

This is an emergency in my book.

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#543259 - 05/04/08 03:40 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: Anonymous]
glidergrl1513 Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 5725
Loc: Upstate NY
You need to get him in to the vet RIGHT NOW! Just go, don't even bother calling, because this is an emergency. If your vet isn't open right now then go to an e-vet.

As you are getting there, put an e-collar on him. If you do not have one, wrap him up (like a burrito) in a piece of fleece and do not let him bite his penis any more. You will need someone else to drive (or hold him) on the way to the vet.

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#543260 - 05/04/08 03:42 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: Feather]
scraptilldawn Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 803
Loc: Ontario, Canada
YES this is an Emergency and needs to be seen NOW! He is Self Mutilating possibly due to a Urinary Tract infection or something of that nature. If you don't stop him he will chew his penis right off and likely won't stop there. Depending on the pain a glider will actually disembowel himself. If you don't have an e-collar then wrap him like a burrito in a piece of fleece and get him to the doctor.
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#543261 - 05/04/08 03:44 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: scraptilldawn]
glidergrl1513 Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 12/21/03
Posts: 5725
Loc: Upstate NY
I found a vet in your area that is open 24 hours from our database (based on your phone number). If you do not have your own vet, you can go here:
http://www.jeffersonanimalhospital.com/home.html

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#543272 - 05/04/08 04:01 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: glidergrl1513]
BeckiT Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 16083
Loc: Manitowoc, WI
As has already been vet, he needs to be in an e-collar or burrito wrapped until you can see the vet. He is in pain, and their way of eliminating the pain is to get rid of it (in this case, chew it off..)

For the SM help, you can try either:

Xfilefan - Jen, Cell 435-640-9438

OR

Mary Holcombe, (979) 478-7546, If no answer, please leave a message.

He needs to see a vet NOW though as SM can be fatal in a very short period of time worried
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#543274 - 05/04/08 04:03 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: BeckiT]
BeckiT Offline
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Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 16083
Loc: Manitowoc, WI
You can get more info on the SM Sute and there are a couple other contact numbers for SM emergencies here
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#543295 - 05/04/08 04:43 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: BeckiT]
Dancing Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
On the phone with her and Bourbon. She is at the vets right now. Will update when we know more
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#543300 - 05/04/08 04:56 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: Dancing]
Dancing Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
Bourbon tried to talk to the vet to offer advice. The vet got rude after asking if Bourbon was a vet and got told no.

She said the glider's penis is dead up to the base and the glider has opened himself up.

Bourbon said the glider could be saved and the vet said "I see three of these a week and my opinion is different than your's" and hung up on us!

We tried calling back (on the owner's cell) but she has her phone turned off.

We are TRYING TO HELP!

Sadly, the vet will probably euthanize this little glider.
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#543302 - 05/04/08 04:59 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: Dancing]
Ellen Offline
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Registered: 08/05/99
Posts: 7603
Loc: Virginia Beach, VA.
Thanks T. Please keep us updated. So sad.
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#543303 - 05/04/08 05:02 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Dancing]
LSardou Offline
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Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
Loc: Kansas
That is just terrible! I am so sorry to hear this, and pray that the right decision will be made for this poor little guy.
Thank you Teresa and Bourbon!
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#543304 - 05/04/08 05:02 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: Ellen]
BeckiT Offline
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Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 16083
Loc: Manitowoc, WI
That poor baby cry Thanks T!
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#543310 - 05/04/08 05:11 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: BeckiT]
Ellen Offline
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Registered: 08/05/99
Posts: 7603
Loc: Virginia Beach, VA.
Mod's let's leave this thread here until we get an update.
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#543311 - 05/04/08 05:11 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: BeckiT]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
Posts: 13744
Loc: Vincennes, IN, USA
Oh no! This is awful! What a horrible vet!
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#543312 - 05/04/08 05:12 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: BeckiT]
Snoopurr Offline
Glider Lover

Registered: 04/29/08
Posts: 386
Loc: West Babylon, NY
I've been reading about this problem with a lot of males in this forum site. is this really that common of a problem with males to get UTI's or other penis problems??

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#543314 - 05/04/08 05:12 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: BeckiT]
tbull Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 3884
Loc: Wyoming
Oh no, is there any other vet available? cry
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#543316 - 05/04/08 05:14 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap please [Re: BeckiT]
Dancing Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
We called back and a male answered and said "You are not doctors and we are going to go with what our doctor tells us. Bourbon begged to get this person to listen telling him the glider did not have to die. The guy hung up.

I'm so sorry Candice that you chose to not listen. Your glider did not have to die. He could have been saved.


While Bourbon is not a vet, she has dedicated her time to helping self mutilators through actual hands on care as well as research and time working with vets to try to understand self mutilation and to help save glider's lives. Even as early as 5 years ago, self mutilation was a death sentense but it doesn't have to be anymore. Knowledge has been gained as far as how to treat these self mutilators and to save their lives.

Please, if you read this thread and have a glider with self mutilator issues, PLEASE call me first so I can help you get help for your glider. 620 215 4857 any time day or night!
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Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.

I could have missed the pain
But I'd of had to miss the dance


The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.

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#543324 - 05/04/08 05:19 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Dancing]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
Posts: 13744
Loc: Vincennes, IN, USA
cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry
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"Glide free :rbridge: Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."

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#543337 - 05/04/08 05:40 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Snoopurr]
LSardou Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
Loc: Kansas
Originally Posted By: Snoopurr
I've been reading about this problem with a lot of males in this forum site. is this really that common of a problem with males to get UTI's or other penis problems??


When a glider male or female starts to exhibit signs of a UTI and left untreated this is fairly common.

UTI: Urinary Tract Infection. First sign is hissing when peeing (because it hurts/burns to go potty). Other indications are excess licking of the cloaca area, or Self Mutilation. This may be accompanied by crystals in the urine. The vet will need to check for crystals if UTI is suspected, along with checking the PH levels of the urine.

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#543338 - 05/04/08 05:41 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: suggiemom1980]
Ellen Offline
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Registered: 08/05/99
Posts: 7603
Loc: Virginia Beach, VA.
T. are you sure the little guy is not still with us?
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#543339 - 05/04/08 05:44 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Ellen]
Trigger Offline
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Registered: 10/07/07
Posts: 3970
Loc: Spring, Texas
Snoopurr I sent you a pm, it's the flashing envelope toward the top middle of the page.
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#543340 - 05/04/08 05:46 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Trigger]
Dancing Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
Ellen...I'm 99% positive...the vet's tone and the guy's tone when we called back...

I pray that he hasn't been euthanized but...
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Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.

I could have missed the pain
But I'd of had to miss the dance


The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.

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#543341 - 05/04/08 05:48 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: suggiemom1980]
Bourbon Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 04/01/99
Posts: 5333
Loc: Bee-Bopping round SnakePit USA
By the tone of the last call, I am probably safe to assume, they put this glider down.

I am so furious right now, and really don't know who to be madder at or who to blame. Me for not being a vet and having the info, or the vet for being one, and not be willing to at least listen or take resources of vets that know. Or again myself for not working harder so this glider didn't have to die, we try so hard to get the info out there, , qwe try so hard to let the vets know that this is no longer a death sentence.

some things that really concerned me . the vet said she sees 3 of these a week??? either she was lying or there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed in her area. seeing that this glider came from a show, and IF there is that many gliders that SM then there is a serious problem with his stock.

another thing that concerned me, was her lack of wanting to know more about this problem. And the lack of willingness to contact additional resources that may have been able to help her.

For those of you who don't think it will happen to you, think of others like Candace who could learn and save their glider with the right info. I say this a lot, it is fine to trust your vet, but there are specialized areas that some vets know little about, and the SM area is one of them. There are actually quite a few vets that also deal with SM's, that have not only the knowledge, but the experience with extensive cases, and there are MANY MANY gliders who live very full lives because of it. These vets have no problem talking with other vets, but the vets have to WANT to learn more, they have to want to have the desire to save a life rather than take one.

It is sad, that we don't know which vet this was, because loads of info would have been sent to them by snail mail updating them on what has been learned in the last few years.

Yes years ago, SM was a death sentence, now it is another inconvenience, but the owner must be prepared, know what to watch for, know who to contact, and above all, have those resources available IF they may need it.

Candace, I am so so so saddened, that your vet made this decision, I wish I could have known, 20 minutes sooner, you would have had the info you needed. My heart goes out to you, it really does. My prayers are with you in this time of your pain.

I may not be a vet, but Mary and I have dedicated most of our glider years to the SM's, 5 years ago they all died, now, with proper help, they all live. Those are great strides, we learned the entire penis can be removed, and it would not be a life threatening procedure. The gliders live very normal lives, have cage mates, run, play, glide, and do extremely well, with no environmental or cage modifications

It saddens me to think a young glider lost his life due to lack of information.

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#543350 - 05/04/08 06:07 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Bourbon]
Snoopurr Offline
Glider Lover

Registered: 04/29/08
Posts: 386
Loc: West Babylon, NY
what is the name of the vet so that i know not to go there.

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#543383 - 05/04/08 07:30 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Snoopurr]
Feather Offline
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Registered: 01/19/08
Posts: 11945
Loc: Wisconsin
tant This is horrible. If that vet actually euthanized this little guy without taking the chance of helping him with treatments. He doesn't need to be a vet.

He needs to be educated. I hope someone can get the name of this clinic and vet and send him some much needed information on the subject of SM and gliders. He also needs to wake up and smell the coffee that there are glider owners out there that obviously know more about gliders than he does.

I would never use a veterinarian that took that kind of attitude with me or a friend who has experience with what my glider, guinea pig, parrot or horse was going through.

One thing for sure this guy definately lacks compassion. tant
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#543390 - 05/04/08 07:55 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Feather]
angelic4296 Offline
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Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 3264
Loc: Northeast U.S.
Alright, first of all Bourbon, whether you're a vet or not, you possess more knowledge about gliders and their care and needs than most vets do. Not listening to you was a sign of ignorance and on both the owners parts (the guy who answered and said you are not a vet and hung up on you) and the vet.

Second, could someone (Jen or Bouron or Mary maybe, but anyone with this info would be great) post a few vets names and numbers so we can all have them on stock to consult with OUR vets if need be? I'd love to have the number of one or two of these so that God forbid something happens and my vet doesn't quite have all the expertise, one of these vets could be a guide for us.
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#543406 - 05/04/08 08:21 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: angelic4296]
Trigger Offline
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Registered: 10/07/07
Posts: 3970
Loc: Spring, Texas
Unfortunately there are LOTS of vets that have limited or no knowledge of gliders. I ran into a lot of this type when trying to find the right vet here in the Houston, TX area.

Most would not even consider any other way to perform a simple neuter. I would cringe to think of them dealing with something as serious as SM.

How do you try to educate some one that feels they are already educated?
Is there a way to discuss this type thing with the less exp. vet so as not to put them on the defensive "I am a vet I don't have to listen to you ar anyone else" track? or just feel them out and if they have this mindset cross them off the list of possible vets?

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#543407 - 05/04/08 08:21 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: angelic4296]
Ellen Offline
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Registered: 08/05/99
Posts: 7603
Loc: Virginia Beach, VA.
I just talked to Bourbon. She is working on that now.

I know we are all confused and hurt, but lets remember the owners and what they are going through.

We still don't have a confirmation of the glider for sure.

We will post when all the vet's names and information is available.

In the meantime my thoughts and prayers go out to the owners of this little guy.

We really would like an update and outcome.

Thank you all.
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#543435 - 05/04/08 08:56 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Ellen]
Their_mommy Offline
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Registered: 11/07/06
Posts: 767
Loc: Canton Tx
Very sad this is, I would like the name of this vet also.
I think it is important for all to know just what kind of (person) this man is and how he treats people.
Never hang up on anyone for one thing.
And do no harm is the second.
I would love to send him a snail mail telling him just what I think about how he has treated this person and the poor glider. Please, post back about what has happened and who this so called vet is.
I am praying for the little guy and his owner also. I hope he is not put to sleep and she was able to get him away from such an awful place and find someone who will help.
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#543438 - 05/04/08 09:07 PM Re: need info about my gliders genitals!!!asap ple [Re: Ellen]
mary h Offline
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Registered: 08/06/02
Posts: 385
Loc: Wallis, Texas
...A GOOD glider vet...is a vet who has the ability to put the gliders health first...the knowledge to know when it is time to confer with another vet or people who have glider knowledge...and the love of animals to do everything possible to save it's life. A doctor (animal or human) who respects the oath to help life continue and not play God and end it.

This is not the dark ages...it's a new generation of research and healing. Through treatment and hands on experience with the gliders...we have all come a long way. In my opinion...gliders in the past who've died to help us learn...have died for nothing if people and vets close thier eyes on all that has been learned.

There are people out here who have dedicated years of time and money to gain knowledge on helping and saving these tiny little creatures. No...some are not vets...but for Gods sake listen to them.

Bourbon is very smart about gliders...it only takes a few precious minuets to listen...death is forever.

This was as nice as I could be....
mary h
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