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#556598 - 05/24/08 11:36 AM The HPW Project
athena_ah
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I have decided to conduct a little experiment. My girls are extremely picky eaters and dislike all veggies except corn. They will toy with other vegetables, but hardly eat them. Maybe an occasional piece of sweet potato or two, but not often. Nonetheless, my vet (Dr. Welch - who is a guest speaker at SGGA) declares them both perfectly healthy and of excellent weight, etc, but could not offer much advice as to how to get them to eat more veggies.

So, I am embarking upon what I'm calling The HPW Project.

Two nights ago, I made my first batch of HPW and fed it to my girls. Last night was "day 2".

I am going to see how much more, if any, my girls eat of their veggies. And I'm going to see if their coats improve, if any, in texture or sheen. And I'm going to see if there is any noticable change in their energy or mood.

To date, I have not been feeding them any "proven" diet, as I have been doing my own C:Ph calculations, giving them supplements, fruits, yogurt, mealworms.... Making life more difficult for myself than it needs to be, I imagine, considering what an easy diet HPW is. And it does smell good. They seemed to think so, and cooed and sang over it the first night. Hmmmmm.

I shall see what a steady diet of HPW does for them and let you know -- if you all want to know.

What do you think?

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#556599 - 05/24/08 11:56 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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I'd be interested! Mine are on HPW and I can see the difference in them. I can't imagine doing all those calculations! Math and I do not get along! LOL!
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#556600 - 05/24/08 11:58 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: suggiemom1980]
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Me neither - especially since my girls don't eat their veggies, which throw off the whole thing. Grrrr. smile

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#556611 - 05/24/08 12:31 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Make sure you have 'before and after' pictures!

I make a veggie/fruit relish to feed with the HPW. Mine seem to enjoy it, although they don't eat nearly enough! They do eat all their HPW, and look beautiful, are soft, and are all healthy weights. So ... dunno
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#556621 - 05/24/08 12:52 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ValkyrieMome]
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I'll try for the pics, although I'm 2 days behind. smile They sort of eat a veggie relish, but mostly seem to 'relish' spreading it all over their cage. wink

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#556654 - 05/24/08 01:51 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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Originally Posted By: athena_ah
I'll try for the pics, although I'm 2 days behind. smile They sort of eat a veggie relish, but mostly seem to 'relish' spreading it all over their cage. wink

Mine would eat all their fruit but barely touch their veggies until I started mixing them together after I cut them up. The flavors seem to blend just enough so that they now eat pretty much everything.
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#557028 - 05/25/08 08:13 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: suggiemom1980]
athena_ah
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Day #3: The girls only ate half their food. They didn't even eat their cherries, which are usually the first to go, but they did eat the blueberries, which is a surprise. And they ate the asparagus and corn, but not the carrots. Again, a surprise.

It was a backwards night as far as diet is concerned. They did, however, lick up every speck of HPW.

We shall see what this evening brings.

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#557029 - 05/25/08 08:37 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
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Athena, dont be surprised now that they are on the HPW that they start ignoring the fruit and choosing not to eat it at all. thumb
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#557041 - 05/25/08 09:31 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: Srlb]
Mel2mdl Offline
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My guys started eating veggies better, but completely ignore fruit. I switch fruit or veggies each night now. Seems to help. dunno

My guys look great, the only stinker is Sampson and he has always been a stinker! Boy, he likes to mark EVERYTHING!
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#557043 - 05/25/08 09:38 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: Mel2mdl]
athena_ah
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I think on Week 2, I will start switching veggies and fruit every other night. I've read that suggestion before, but hadn't tried it yet. I'm trying to figure out a way to determine how much food in grams they're consuming, but I don't have a scale. smile

I'm glad I've got girls. The stinkiness factor is the biggest reason why I don't know that I'd want boys. Then again, it would certainly shake things up. smile

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#557078 - 05/25/08 10:47 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
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Registered: 05/10/07
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I feed HPW and mine so far will eat veggies so feed veggies hpw and half a ice cub of fruit smoothie. It says on the fruit smoothie dorections to give one cube per glider but mine will not eat that so i cut it down to a half cube per pair. Some days it is al gone some days it is not touched. They do not Some days they eat all there veggies some days some is left but always the hpw is licked clean.
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#557459 - 05/26/08 12:59 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ssdreamsicles]
athena_ah
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This evening, thus far, they have eaten almost nothing. Neither fruits nor veggies.

I may have to rethink this project. I bet I tried to switch things around on them too quickly. I couldn't imagine that HPW was that big a change over what I had been doing. In truth, the only change is adding the HPW mis to their dishes of fuits and veggies. Doesn't seem like a big deal......but perhaps I have jumped the gun here and will have to rethink.

I will see how they are in the morning, but if it turns out they have eaten less even than last night, I will return to their previous diet and start re-introducing them to HPW very, veeerrrryyy slowly.

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EDIT: Unhappily, the girls ate almost nothing the whole night. I was up all night, couldn't sleep, and I brought them mealies and grapes at 5:30 AM, which they snarfed down.

In light of this, I will back way off of the HPW and maybe only feed it once a week until I can tell they eat as much of it as anything else. Then perhaps I shall slowly reintroduce it. They had been doing great on their diet before. Maybe they don't need to be on anything different????


Edited by athena_ah (05/26/08 06:08 AM)
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#557529 - 05/26/08 07:16 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
melek007 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/07
Posts: 3874
Loc: Eastern NC
First off, I will admit that I am partial to this diet. My gliders have done so well on it. Their coats are so silky now!

Your gliders are just getting used to this diet. While it may not seem like a big deal to switch diets on them, to them it is. Their bodies are receiving their nutrients in a different way.
My gliders even went through a stage where they weren't hardly touching their fruits and vegetables at all. The three of them will eat about 3-4 tbsp of fruits and vegetables each night now with their HPW.
I would recommend not jumping ship quite so soon. Stick with it for a couple weeks. They've only been on the diet a very short time. And don't worry about your gliders starving. Simply put, they won't do that to themselves. They just have to get adjusted to this new change. Taking them off of it soon so could actually do more harm than good. HTH
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#557537 - 05/26/08 07:29 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: melek007]
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I tried for a week, no one would touch the HPW but did eat the fruits and veggies and mealies. Did I give up too soon? I just worried about them not getting enough nutrients by just eating the fruits/veggies. Mine HATE eggs and even on the PP diet, would not touch the 'mix' when I fed the one with egg (they LOVE the one with chicken). I wish I could get mine to eat it, as I have heard such good things about it, but I worry about them not eating.
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#557560 - 05/26/08 08:34 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: pappy1264]
WannaBeMom
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It took our two to adjust to it as well...but once they did...man, they're great eaters (unless our girl is on her heat cycle - once a month they barely eat for about 4 days)!

They're favorites are lettuce greens (any variety) with corn and occasionally, avocado, and papaya with either grapes or some kind of melon. Typically, they eat 4 tbsp of fruit and veg per night between the two of them, and the full tablespoon of HPW is usually licked dry by morning! They also drink a good deal of water each day...

My only suggestion would be to stick with it for a while longer and really give it a chance. As stated above, they will begin to eat after a few days, because they're little piggies at heart, and will find it in themselves to enjoy what is given to them. If they know they will just get mealies and treats in abundance after not eating..they will continue to not eat! Just a few more days, and hopefully they'll develop a taste for the HPW.

Our coats are amazing now. So silky and soft and their tails are so full and bushy. laugh Very good looking gliders they are! (They are this week's picture of the week! - *Brags*!)

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#557575 - 05/26/08 09:16 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
Soh
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All right, now I'm inspired to try this too. Mine are nice and healthy (Mish's a butterball) and they don't smell at all, even with an unfixed male, but their fur is a little scruffy. They inhale every fruit and veggie I throw at them as long as I blend/freeze it and tell them it's ice cream, but they aren't all that fond of the BML staple mix, so I might as well try HPW on them to see what happens.

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#557578 - 05/26/08 09:20 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
pappy1264 Offline
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So cut out the mealies and maybe give a little less fruits and veggies and see if they will eat it than?
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#557590 - 05/26/08 09:47 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: pappy1264]
VAinWI
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I started out feeding the HPW just melted over the top of fruit/veggie, they'd eat the HPW (I was lucky in that regard) and leave the fruit/veggie - unless I fed papaya or corn. I then went to running everything I was feeding through the "silver bullet" (small blender), mixing the hpw w/ the fruit/veggie (keep it proportional!), adding a little bit of papaya at first, sometimes I'd mix fruits & veggies in a night, sometimes one or the other.. they now lick their dish clean.

I'd start with something they like and blend it with the HPW.. then move on to 1/2 (whatever they like) and 1/2 something else.. keep offering variety. The (whatever they like) will keep it palatable for them while they get used to the HPW (kind of like getting kids to eat a new food).

On a side note.. I fed blueberries last night - didn't bother to blend, there was NOTHING left this morning. Apparently we have a new favorite. smile

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#557680 - 05/26/08 12:48 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
athena_ah
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Wow - thank you, all of you, for your replies. If you promise that my gliders won't become anorexic, I can stick with the HPW a while longer. smile I just worried that they weren't going to eat and become dehydrated and then they would hate me because I'd have to rush them to the vet and....

I was worried. smile

Originally Posted By: VAinWI
I started out feeding the HPW just melted over the top of fruit/veggie, they'd eat the HPW (I was lucky in that regard) and leave the fruit/veggie - unless I fed papaya or corn.


Your gliders sound so much like mine. Corn and papaya are their favorites. Maybe I should try a few nights of papayas and corn and see how it goes.

I do plan on giving them a bit of yogurt first thing in the evening, just to keep their spirits up and give them a little calcium boost. Mealies are being saved for when they're being very good, or for the mornings. I'm not sleeping this week anyway, so I'm sneaking in at 5 AM to see whta they've eaten and to give them mealies - which they love to eat in my hair. shock



Edited by athena_ah (05/26/08 12:50 PM)

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#559176 - 05/28/08 10:42 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
athena_ah
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Day #4: Last night, I left off the HPW, and the girls ate every single scrap of their food. All the yogurt and the fruit and the veggies. They must have been sooooo hungry, given how little they've eaten since I started this "project".

Thus, I am wondering if I shouldn't offer the HPW liquid every other day. I know it's good for them, but not if they don't eat anything else they're given.

I'm still on the fence about this.

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#559187 - 05/28/08 11:14 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
SugMom2B
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My boys came off of Darcy's and when I first fed them HPW they wouldn't touch it unless I hand fed it to them through syringe(don't know why that worked), but now it is day #4 with my new bundles of joy and they seem to like the HPW more and more each day. I've noticed that when I had 2 dishes of HPW in the cage that 1 would be completely gone and the other turned over, but I've seen that both dishes are being eaten now and my little Hellions are eating more and more of it! grin

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#559192 - 05/28/08 11:16 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
SugMom2B
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Question: If the gliders are not eating as many of the fruits and veggies you hope for, does this mean they are not getting enough nutrients or is 1 or 2 missed days of fruits or veggies ok? Mine seemed to love the fruits but would barely touch the veggies, but now the roles have reversed.... I'm confused.... dunno


Edited by SugMom2B (05/28/08 11:16 AM)

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#559225 - 05/28/08 11:52 AM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
Lynsie Offline
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They are probably not eating all the fruits and veggies because they ARE getting the nutrients that they need out of the HPW.

Athena, maybe you could put the fruits and veggies in the cage first and after they have ate some, put the HPW in the cage.

I went from Darcy's to HPW almost 2 years ago and my gliders have loved it since the very first day.
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#559245 - 05/28/08 12:18 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: Lynsie]
Srlb Offline
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Registered: 10/30/03
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This little *project* has me concerned...

It sounds like you are having an issue with your gliders eating fruits/veggie but they are eating the HPW ok?

And that has you concerned enough to where you are going to pull the HPW?

The HPW is where all the vitamins/calcium is located. I am not going to suggest that you pull the HPW at all on any night.

If you are offering too much, that will be why they are not eating all of what you have in there.

It has been stated over and over again, pick a diet and follow the diet as it is written.

If a glider is not eating a diet, no matter how good it is, it will not do the glider any good.

But if what you are telling us is the glider IS eating all the HPW and not so much on the fruits and veggie, I think you are allowing yourself to worry a bit too much.

There are nights that my gliders wont eat their veggies, and very seldom do they ever eat their fruit.
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#559298 - 05/28/08 01:25 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: Srlb]
Razzlette
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I have the same worries that Willow is not eating enough fruits & veggies. But she eats every bit of the HPW. I have been switching up the veggies from relish to frozen mix every other night and some nights she does good some nights (like last night) not much was touched. With the fruits I have been changing that a bit each night also from a sort of a smoothie to a mix of fruits, a few of each or 2 fruits (honey dew, cantaloupe, cherries, apple, papaya, mango) and a fruit mix that I have from the BML. Very seldom is the fruit touched. That being said would it be OK to do 1/2 tbs of fruit? The veggies I'm happy enough with. I have also seen some people say they do fruit & HPW one night and veggies & HPW the next. I was wanting to try this but I'm afraid that if she doesn't want the fruit she will be starving.

tant why must this all be so hard lol I guess we just have to keep going till we find something that works.

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#559309 - 05/28/08 01:40 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
pebbles1975 Offline
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Registered: 03/01/07
Posts: 1936
Loc: Ohio, between Dayton and Cinci...
i feed HPW also and all of my gliders eat every bit of HPW every night but sometimes leave the fruits or vegetables. It is better for them to eat the HPW and eat less of the other stuff. The gliders will fill up on the HPW so they are not eating the fruits or vegetables as much. Gliders stomachs are not that big. As Peggy said start with the diet and stick to it word for word.
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#559322 - 05/28/08 01:57 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: pebbles1975]
SugMom2B
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Whew! laugh I'm glad you all have come along to make us feel better. I was beginning to think my boys were just entirely too picky, but I will try limiting the fruits and veggies so they can concentrate more on the hpw! thumb
Thanks bunches! agree

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#559328 - 05/28/08 02:04 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: Lynsie]
athena_ah
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Originally Posted By: Lynsie
Athena, maybe you could put the fruits and veggies in the cage first and after they have ate some, put the HPW in the cage.


Oh, I like this idea! How am I so dense that this never occurred to me?

It just bothers me to see them not eating. I have read the testimonials here about how few fruits or veggies are eaten, but didn't that bother you? Didn't you question that? I guess it concerns me on some subliminal level. Gliders are sap eaters, after all, so I don't know why I'm this worried.

Originally Posted By: Slrb
If a glider is not eating a diet, no matter how good it is, it will not do the glider any good.

But if what you are telling us is the glider IS eating all the HPW and not so much on the fruits and veggie, I think you are allowing yourself to worry a bit too much.

There are nights that my gliders wont eat their veggies, and very seldom do they ever eat their fruit.


I had not been on any well-known diet thus far, and the girls are perfectly healthy. However, it is so often stressed that gliders must be on one of the diets recommended here that I began to doubt myself. So this "project" is to see if HPW is any better for them than what I was doing on my own. I don't think it so far beoynd reason that I would be concerned to see them eating virtually nothing each night, when they had been cleaning their bowls all the time I have had them. It's just difficult for me to accept that a teaspoon and a half of juice could contain everything they need for an entire day.

I'm not giving up on this; it's simply, possibly, more stressful for me to make the diet switch than for my girls. smile

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#559350 - 05/28/08 02:43 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: ]
BeckiT Offline
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Loc: Manitowoc, WI
Originally Posted By: athena_ah
It's just difficult for me to accept that a teaspoon and a half of juice could contain everything they need for an entire day.
It is hard to picture, but, if it helps any, think of it this way - if you squeeze the juice out of a medium size orange, you only get about 4 Tablespoons out of that huge orange!
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#559360 - 05/28/08 02:51 PM Re: The HPW Project [Re: BeckiT]
athena_ah
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Originally Posted By: BeckiT
It is hard to picture, but, if it helps any, think of it this way - if you squeeze the juice out of a medium size orange, you only get about 4 Tablespoons out of that huge orange!


Not if you use a juicer!! tounge

No, I see what you're saying. It's just a mental adjustment for me -- that a teaspoon and a half fills them up as well as a dish of food.

The whole idea of this little experiment is because I was being so thorough in balancing their diet -- except that they wouldn't eat the veggie part of their diet. So, grrrrrr, that throws off the whole thing. tant

Thus, the HPW Project. I guess I'll have to get over myself and let them eat what they will!

Thanks to everyone who is responding. thanks

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