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#571314 - 06/16/08 06:16 PM Report By North American Sugar Glider Association
SquirrelyDo
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[not_supported_link]/Beware_Glider_Chat_Rooms2.htm


That site is for all who would love to be caught up on what happens on most glider chat forums.

Many people have experienced the brutality and the meanness people have exposed to other glider members on most forums, or through private email beyond the chat rooms. I Found this article to be very eye opening, and disturbingly TRUE! Thought Id share!!!

(It also has to do with USDA, LAWS and why people might attack you on these forums)

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#571318 - 06/16/08 06:21 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
macwood6
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Oh I have to agree EVERYONE needs to read this.
Pass it around

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#571319 - 06/16/08 06:22 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
princessmegi Offline
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I agree as well, it was quite amusing.
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#571320 - 06/16/08 06:22 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
MatchMakerMagic Offline
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Wow, funny those are direct quotes from the Perfect Pocket Pet ((PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets mill breeders) emails/website. Talk about bad information!
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#571321 - 06/16/08 06:28 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: MatchMakerMagic]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Registered: 01/13/07
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Consider the source. I mean the original poster, not the so-called authoritarian website.

Anyone who thinks they can get vet info on the internet SHOULD be warned to think twice. But ... most of those who warn away from chat sites are those who wish the buyer to be brainwashed that "their way" is the "only way."

Such as ... Perfect Pocket Pets for example. If you learn the real and healthy way to care for your gliders, (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets is out of that money. They want you to stay misinformed!
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#571324 - 06/16/08 06:35 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: MatchMakerMagic]
pappy1264 Offline
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Ok, I about fell out of my chair laughing while I read this (and almost crying at the same time!) Wow, amazing the legnths these people will go to try to keep their hold on unsuspecting people!! (Ok, which one of you painted your windows black and is hiding under a blanket??? lol)
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#571331 - 06/16/08 06:43 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: pappy1264]
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Not sure why you are bringing that here.

NORMAL forum members here...search WHOIS info on (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets website and this NASGA site they are the SAME...I do not know why Terris Petting Zoo is sticking up for (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets but that is her own choice I guess.
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#571340 - 06/16/08 06:58 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat [Re: cinnamonstix]
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Oh My goodness!! That was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. And you notice that they are totally ripping apart GC and yet you posted it here? shakehead
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#571350 - 06/16/08 07:11 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat [Re: Usha77]
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OMG take that mess down the road. If I want to read the comics I'll go get a newspaper.
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#571353 - 06/16/08 07:12 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: cinnamonstix]
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UM, look at one of their sources...Glider University...enough said.
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#571359 - 06/16/08 07:18 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: angelic4296]
pappy1264 Offline
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Hmmmm, you aren't one of the people that did the 'investigative reporting' are you??? lol
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#571363 - 06/16/08 07:20 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: pappy1264]
angelic4296 Offline
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LOLOLOL, no it's right there as a source in the article...I snorted so hard I laughed when I read this b/c so much of it
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#571364 - 06/16/08 07:20 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: angelic4296]
angelic4296 Offline
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seems to refer to GC....
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#571365 - 06/16/08 07:21 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: pappy1264]
SquirrelyDo
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I just came across the website. I know lots of people who've experienced the slander/attacking/misuse of the forums. thought Id share the website to let everyone know who's been attacked, there not the only ones apperently.

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#571366 - 06/16/08 07:21 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: angelic4296]
pappy1264 Offline
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lol....that wasn't directed at you, angelic, but at the person who first posted it....
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#571368 - 06/16/08 07:22 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: pappy1264]
angelic4296 Offline
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lol oh alright, my bad...
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#571372 - 06/16/08 07:24 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat [Re: Usha77]
tigiris1721
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Wow so much junk that i was amazed!!!! shock


Edited by sugarlope (06/16/08 10:32 PM)
Edit Reason: edited text ~sugarlope

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#571375 - 06/16/08 07:26 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: angelic4296]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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The people who are "attacked" are the people who harm gliders. Such as mill breeders like Perfect Pocket Pets, and many many many others.

Don't harm gliders ... you won't get attacked!

Besides! No one gets attacked here on GC! We are far too helpful and friendly for that!
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#571379 - 06/16/08 07:27 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: pappy1264]
pappy1264 Offline
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It doesn't say 'whose been attacked'. It is (IMHO) someone's attempt to undermine the groups. I believe (again, my opinion) that this is a way for these mill breeders that sell at trade shows and whatnot, to try to counter the heat they are beginning to feel. People are catching on to them and they fear losing all those $$$$, so what better way then strike back the only way they can. Make people doubt. Personally, everything I have learned here (in regards to care, diet, etc) for my gliders, I HAVE gone over with my vet (who has tons of glider experience). Having people who HAVE purchased from these breeders (and ended up with either very sick, very young or both gliders, many, sadly, that did not make it) is proof enough for me that these places are mill breeders and only interested in money. Funny how they try to turn everything around.....JMHO.
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#571385 - 06/16/08 07:32 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: pappy1264]
macwood6
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I am going to have to duct tape my lap top closed!!!

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#571402 - 06/16/08 07:43 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
suggiemom
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ROFL Yep Pappy, that's just what I said too....we must be starting to make them sweat if they would go to such lengths to discredit us. The difference between them and us is that we have DOCUMENTABLE proof of the things we've said. We have actual veterinarian case studies on gliders they have examined in MULTIPLE states from MULTIPLE sources. It's not our word against theirs. It is the word of many veterinarians against theirs. And, I LOVED the part where now they're saying that if a vet hasn't seen 300+ gliders then they have no business giving out infomation on glider care....ROFL.

Yea, I got a great chuckle out of that "article" if you can call it that. It's nothing but propoganda written by someone with lots to lose by the mill breeder project. NO ONE gets "attacked" for no reason. If people would be who and what they say they are, there would be no reason to question their integrity. People can accuse me of things all day long...they would be hard pressed to prove anything because there is nothing to prove. Those who do wrong, ALWAYS leave a trail that is easy enough to follow and put the pieces together.

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#571404 - 06/16/08 07:46 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
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No guys...ignore her. This is who my rescue gliders came from and this is all just drama that a local breeder and her friends are trying to stir up. Nothing more. The site is linked to (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets directly and it is just garbage.
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#571407 - 06/16/08 07:48 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
athena_ah
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Originally Posted By: suggiemom
Those who do wrong, ALWAYS leave a trail that is easy enough to follow and put the pieces together.


And when cornered, they have to resort to scare tactics and hypocrisy - like informing people that glider forums and sites aren't to be trusted by posting...this info...on their glider site. "Don't listen to anyone else. Just listen to us. Only we know the truth!!!" It's like listening to a cult.

And I know I've seen over half of those "family photos" on other people's websites. Who the heck are these people?

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#571413 - 06/16/08 07:53 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: cinnamonstix]
SquirrelyDo
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Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
No guys...ignore her. This is who my rescue gliders came from and this is all just drama that a local breeder and her friends are trying to stir up. Nothing more. The site is linked to PPP directly and it is just garbage.


Huh? Ive never adopted out or sold a sugar glider in my life? I just know people who go through drama.

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#571416 - 06/16/08 07:56 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
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I will agree that it sounds like the first email (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets sends out to buyers the day after they get their glider. It also warns them to avoid the boards. I have learned so much from fellow owners. I, too, have discussed it all w/my vet. In order to learn, we have to share. We each bring something special to the boards and be discussing our ideas and knowledge we all learn and our gliders benefit. People who are afraid of being exposed for their deeds tend to try to distract and try to cause trust issues. The sad thing is that gliders will suffer because of it. People will be so afraid of not knowing who to ask. We can only hope anyone who reads that can sense the manipulation used and run away from it.
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#571418 - 06/16/08 08:00 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: thefotokat]
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#571424 - 06/16/08 08:05 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: thefotokat]
athena_ah
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Originally Posted By: thefotokat
I will agree that it sounds like the first email ppp sends out to buyers the day after they get their glider. It also warns them to avoid the boards. I have learned so much from fellow owners. I, too, have discussed it all w/my vet. In order to learn, we have to share. We each bring something special to the boards and be discussing our ideas and knowledge we all learn and our gliders benefit. People who are afraid of being exposed for their deeds tend to try to distract and try to cause trust issues. The sad thing is that gliders will suffer because of it. People will be so afraid of not knowing who to ask. We can only hope anyone who reads that can sense the manipulation used and run away from it.


That was so beautifully written, so well said. I'm just gonna shut up and go away now. You win. hug2


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#571427 - 06/16/08 08:08 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
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roflmao Well, thanks for the laugh! I gotta say, though - I NEVER want to be a part of one of those "smear campaigns." That sounds disgusting!!

I especially like the part where they say that if you haven't raised at least 30 gliders, you couldn't possibly know what you're talking about. I wasn't aware that mills knew more about bonding, diet, health, or ethics than I did!

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#571441 - 06/16/08 08:17 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
Soh
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I think my favorite part was where they said that shipping a single sugar glider causes giardia. Either that or the bit where they explained that if you're paying less than a couple hundred dollars for the glider alone you're getting a too-old baby that can never bond foisted upon you by an unscrupulous breeder getting rid of unwanted stock. It was intended to be comedy, right?

Seriously, given my own background, I have a good amount of faith in my ability to figure out who knows what they're talking about and who's full of it. I'm content that there are a lot of intelligent people on these forums dedicated to learning more about gliders and trying to get them the best care possible, whether the gliders in question are multi-thousand-dollar critters or half-dead mill rescues. That's good enough for me.

Also, I have an awesome glider vet who consults with other specialist glider vets across the country, and she's always very happy with the condition of my babies and the care I give them. If what I've learned here makes my glider vet happy then all's well in my book.


Edited by Soh (06/16/08 08:22 PM)

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#571447 - 06/16/08 08:34 PM Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association [Re: ]
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I am sure I can talk to a mod who would remember who you are and the last time you were on here causing drama directly with me and bashing me when it was you who sold me a sick glider but you were pretending to be someone else. Now you are here to protect your breeder friend who dug herself a grave in the breeding industry in MN and is not allowed on GC anymore...we don't want your drama and bologna here so please take it elsewhere. grin
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