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#588841 - 07/13/08 10:36 PM when is it considered a rescue?
fuzzbutts
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What do you guys think? Where is the line between a rescue and a simple adoption? And for anyone with a rescue how did you deal with it?

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#588854 - 07/13/08 11:09 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
Rhapsody
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IMO -

Rescue: is a glider that has come from a bad home environment, been abuse, or poorly taken good care of.

Re-home: is a glider that is young in age and has been well taken good care of / loved - but for some reason the owner is not able to keep the glider.


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(Example)
I took in a three month old glider that was healthy and happy, but her owner was going through some serious family issue that left her needing money for her daughter, therefore, I helped out and purchased one of her gliders from her... I consider this glider to be a re-homed glider and not a rescue.

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#588856 - 07/13/08 11:12 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
Sherri Offline
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Registered: 11/02/06
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I would consider any glider that had a background of poor diet, bad cage, no known lineage,unhandled, in general unknowledgeable owners as rescues.

Also inbred,millbreeders,pet stores and flea market gliders as well.


Edited by newby (07/13/08 11:14 PM)
Edit Reason: added other reasons for rescues
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#588858 - 07/13/08 11:15 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
Monster
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It's a rescue if the glider has been neglected or hurt. I'm sure people will add to that definition, that's just mine.

Several years ago, I paid $150 for a pair of "rescues" who were both kept in a vacant home with no heat (in Utah) which was also under construction. The guy met me & explained how they didn't handle them because they were mean & to avoid opening the cage, they had 3 cereal bowls full of Briskys pellets in the bottom of the cage, which they supplemented with raw almonds on occassion). The gliders were sleeping in a single layer (seams exposed) zippered bonding pouch (hadn't been washed - EVER) which had been suspended from the top of the cage (which had urine crusted on every bar). He then went on to tell me that the only reason they were selling them was because his daughter wanted to see a joey, but they had pulled the last three joeys they had IP (no wonder)!

My point is - this guy didn't think he was doing anything wrong, and he would call it a sale - but these guys were rescues, bottom line...

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#588876 - 07/13/08 11:42 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
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A rescued glider is any glider who has been surrendered, abused, neglected, abandoned, kept in poor conditions/inadequate housing, fed improperly, over bred, inbred, or one that has been passed from home to home OR any glider who without intervention will be subjected to any of those situations. They may be ill, injured, bad tempered or sweet hearts. They are not generally "retired breeders that the breeding home just wants to "get rid of" to make room for new "stock". (though sadly, many of these do become rescues)

Whether money was paid for them or not does not determine if they are rescues. Some rescuers have had to pay for gliders just so they could save the life of the glider.
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#588896 - 07/14/08 12:15 AM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: Dancing]
Sherri Offline
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Very well said Teresa!

Out of the 23 gliders I have 23 are considered rescues. 13 came from rescue groups, 1 came with the house(also a rescue in my book) 3 with 2ip from a local pet store(also rescues in my book) 2 given to me by a woman who didnt do anything with them for almost a year(bad diet,small cage,not handled,let male joeys mature without neutering and they killed each other,cannabalized later joeys,unknown lineage)

The last 2 that I wouldnt normally consider rescues came from women who were trying to be good glider owners but one of them became allergic. But since their lineage is also unknown....And they also came from said pet store, they are being treated as rescues.
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#588909 - 07/14/08 02:19 AM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
fuzzbutts
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I do believe in almost everything that has been said. Actually in everything that was said. I guess I'm trying to find out what people believe and think about the situations that are out their for gliders. Where do you think the line end and begins? I know gliders are over populated in the USA. And I was wondering about how many people have rescues?

And can a glider be a rescue if it was/where other gliders that where abusing them? bitting, fitting things of that nature?

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#588912 - 07/14/08 02:50 AM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
Rhapsody
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Originally Posted By: fuzzbutts
can a glider be a rescue if it was/where other gliders that where abusing them? bitting, fitting things of that nature?



I would say yes to that question if it was constant and blood was drawn, as abuse is abuse no matter who it comes from..... human or animal.

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#588913 - 07/14/08 02:52 AM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
fuzzbutts
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I do believe that animals well most of them don't know better....in that situation I would say it was the owner abusing them by not taking them out of a harmful situation, what do you think? What does anyone think?

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#588919 - 07/14/08 03:04 AM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
NammyPants
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if the owner knows the animal is being attacked and does nothing to stop it whatsoever, i would consider it abuse. in some cases, gliders may not hit it off immediately and scuffle but eventually warm up to each other, and in such cases, I do not consider it abuse if the owner tries more than once to get them accquainted IF the animals are not causing serious bodily harm or stress, just tiffing.

That's me and each case is different.

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#588926 - 07/14/08 03:36 AM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
Rhapsody
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If the owner just left the animal in the cage after knowing it was being bitten by the other gliders then that was abuse on the owners part.

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#589237 - 07/14/08 04:25 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
fuzzbutts
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does anyone else have their own opinions on the subject?

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#589255 - 07/14/08 04:59 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
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I have problems with people paying for rescues. It is one thing if it is an individual and asking for a token amount. BUT - when you 'buy' a rescue from a pet store or a trade show or a fair, you may save *that* glider, but money talks. That glider will be replaced - often with two more since they made some money.

Any glider purchased from one of these venues *should* be treated as a rescue in regards to breeding and neutering. BUT - I feel strongly that rescue groups and/or individuals do more harm by buying gliders.
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#589260 - 07/14/08 05:10 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: Mel2mdl]
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I have never bought one from either place, but have from people who were selling them and I got them because they were not well taken care of and in rough shape.
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#589340 - 07/14/08 06:30 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
bradleyindfw
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Originally Posted By: Monster

Several years ago, I paid $150 for a pair of "rescues" who were both kept in a vacant home with no heat (in Utah) which was also under construction.


I have lived in Salt Lake City and I could not EVEN imagine having an animal in the winter with NO HEAT!! That is definately a rescue! KUDOS to you Gina!!

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#589361 - 07/14/08 06:53 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
Monster
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Thank you Bradley - sadly, the both passed away within a few months. I believe it was due to the neglect they suffered for so long.

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#589898 - 07/15/08 01:50 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
fuzzbutts
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I'm sorry about those babies frown

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#589932 - 07/15/08 02:27 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
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I have "rescued" a few. A pair with one ip-owners wanted a female which they got last fall and now had no use for the pair. I did pay alot of $$$ for them and they included a nasty pouch, an even nastier cage (dirty & rusty) and a write up of the diet they used (not an approved one)!!!! The other was from a local pet store-poor little one was trying to sleep and people were poking at him. He had no food or water and they didn't know what sex or age he was!!!
My 3rd rescue was from a guy who was going over seas (war) and his girlfriend didn't want the responsiblity of little Meiko. All of these gliders are now on HPW and have large cages with beautiful cage sets & toys. They are happy & friendly and loved!!! Would you consider them rescues under these circumstances?
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#590021 - 07/15/08 03:49 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: gliderma]
fuzzbutts
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I would......But I'm just trying to figure out if ours would really be considered one or if we're just we safe the world one pet at a time people.(even if they came from loving well feed homes), and what other people fine as a rescue.

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#590035 - 07/15/08 04:02 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
PeekstersMommy
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To me a rescue is what everyone has described. Out of my 6 gliders 5 are rescues.Once they trust you it is one of the best feelings.

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#590062 - 07/15/08 04:23 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: gliderma]
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Originally Posted By: gliderma
I have "rescued" a few. A pair with one ip-owners wanted a female which they got last fall and now had no use for the pair. I did pay alot of $$$ for them and they included a nasty pouch, an even nastier cage (dirty & rusty) and a write up of the diet they used (not an approved one)!!!! The other was from a local pet store-poor little one was trying to sleep and people were poking at him. He had no food or water and they didn't know what sex or age he was!!!
My 3rd rescue was from a guy who was going over seas (war) and his girlfriend didn't want the responsiblity of little Meiko. All of these gliders are now on HPW and have large cages with beautiful cage sets & toys. They are happy & friendly and loved!!! Would you consider them rescues under these circumstances?


See, I would consider them rescues, but I wouldn't considered them 'rescued.' The pet store SOLD them and will continue to stock more to be poked at. Unfortunately for us, none of use can stand seeing a suggie in need. cry It becomes a vicious circle. They will just continue to carry gliders and treat them inappropriately if they can sell them.

I have a lot of gliders from flea markets - I've not bought from them, but they wind up in my home.
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#590122 - 07/15/08 05:22 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: Mel2mdl]
7glider7
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I think the term "rescue" means different things to different people and it's a slippery slope determining what EXACTLY a rescue is.

Fuzzbutts, I know your situation...while I might not call your two newer gliders "rescues," they certainly weren't being kept in good conditions, and if they were there for an extended period of time, I'm sure they would be in not-very-good shape, at which time they might be deemed a "rescue." Depending on exactly what your vet said, I guess they may need some special care now, so I'm sure others would call them rescue gliders.

I wouldn't see this as an insult though, or a slight. Whether they are "rescues" or not (because what is stated above is just my humble opinion), you did a really good thing by taking in those two babies. What is more important than a label is that they are going to have a MUCH better life WITH you than if they were with the previous owner, and for that, you should feel really good about yourself hug2

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#590141 - 07/15/08 05:44 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
cbddallas Offline
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Registered: 03/26/08
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In my opinion, the only reason it "matters" if a glider is a rescue is in the decision whether to breed or not - if the owner doesn't intend to breed or sell the glider, what difference does it make if it's a "rescue"? And if a glider comes from a questionable situation, whether that's because of its origin, lack of known lineage, bad living conditions, unhealthy diet, etc., I don't think that glider should be bred or sold at all, and should be kept in a pet home only. Just my opinion...
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#590178 - 07/15/08 06:25 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: cbddallas]
fuzzbutts
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cbddallas, I agree with you completely about that. We do have to have him 60 another 4.5 weeks before we can get pet insurance for those little guys......so don't worry about that.

Jen- thanx for the positive feed back. I was thinking that our gliders are unusually nice for "rescues". well from what I hear anyways.......

I think everyone should be able to voice their opinion about rescues and their definitions. And I was just thinking I could learn from it too.

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#590206 - 07/15/08 06:55 PM Re: when is it considered a rescue? [Re: ]
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Not all rescues are mean, aggressive or sick. Some rescues come from horrible conditions and are still sweethearts - the are the lucky ones.

I have a little one here that came to me in a styrofoam cup with a lid on it. Definately a rescue. However, he is the sweetest, cutest, most social glider and has checked out healty at 3 different vet exams. He is a gem that arrived packaged in styrofoam.

So, sometimes circumstances do not dictate attitude. Look at Jackie Chan for proof of that!

I agree that it does not matter if you call them rescues or not. Won't change the way most of us view you or them either way. What matters now is that they are in a loving, knowledgeable home.
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