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#60708 - 10/02/05 12:12 PM epoxy enamel?
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Has anyone heard of folks getting their cage wire coated with epoxy enamel by an auto body shop? Do you think that would be OK? That stuff is rock hard. Couldn't imagine a glider chewing through it could you? Just curious........

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#60709 - 10/02/05 07:10 PM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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I don't know. That sounds like it would work. I know that a lot of body shops do powder coating, and I know that this is safe.
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#60710 - 10/02/05 09:05 PM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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Powder coating is more expensive. I have been researching different types of paint. I also found an appliance epoxy enamel that I think would work. You could do it youself from a can. I'm not jumping into anything yet, don't worry.
More research to be done.

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#60711 - 10/02/05 11:02 PM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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I have a cage that needs to be repainted, so I have just started looking at ways. How much was the epoxy enamel? Did you get a price?
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#60712 - 10/03/05 01:06 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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No I did not get a price. A friend of mine suggested it to me. So I began looking up epoxy enamel paint. I found out that you can get Industrial Epoxy Enamel paint in a spray can and thought....hmmmmm. Why pay a body shop to do it if you can buy a can and do it yourself? Like I said before........trying to do more research to find out if it would be glider safe. Just thought I'd ask on here. You know theres always someone here who knows something about everything.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#60713 - 10/03/05 01:36 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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I wish I knew! LOL! I want to get that cage re-painted so I can use it! Anyone else have any ideas here?
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#60714 - 10/03/05 01:41 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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The paint will make the glider sick and kill some of them.Use bird safe paint.


Edited by slavestooursugy (10/03/05 06:03 AM)

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#60715 - 10/03/05 09:12 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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Will make the glider sick how? Once dry its non-toxic. How could it make a glider sick. Can't chew on it.
I'm not doubting you slavestoourugy. I just want to know.
Thank you for the info.

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#60716 - 10/03/05 09:45 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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I found through searching "bird safe paints" that epoxy is the safer paint for bird cages. Powder coating is a harder surface thus cracks and chips easier. If you say that a bird safe paint would also be safe for gliders then epoxy is the way to go. what do you think?

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#60717 - 10/03/05 10:12 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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This is a topic that comes up fairly often. I wish I had the answers. I too have thought about the appliance enamal but I'm afraid that it COULD harm my gliders so am unwilling to try it.

I have a very large and very expensive bird cage my cockatoo is in and I have noticed some rust starting in the catch pan (where the bird can't reach) and would love to find a way to "fix" the problem without buying another large expensive cage (over $900!)
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#60718 - 10/03/05 10:39 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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Dancing, there is a company, I can't remember who, that makes custom cage pans out of that hard rubber/thick plastic material, you might look into that.

I have 3 cages that are powder coated, and they aren't cracked. I have also used appliance enamel (on appliances), and if it is applied correctly, it's pretty tough to crack or peel. The problem with a cage is you really need to sand blast it, then power wash it before you apply any paint to it. If there is any rust, and that rust isn't removed completly, the paint WILL peel. That is the only reason I'd never do it myself.
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#60719 - 10/03/05 11:47 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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I'm talking about new cage building material. No rust yet.
I know that the steel needs to be cleaned with a special steel cleening agent. That is in our plans. I'm searching for a safe product to coat the steel with afterwards to prevent the rust. I don't like the idea of using a regular enamel although there are "nature friendly" non toxic paints out there I do not feel a plain enamel would hold up to weekly washing, scrubbing. That is why I have moved onto the idea of a ultra hard epoxy enamel.
This is much harder than I expected. I get the galvanized no, no. Stainless material is much too expensive. I do not like the look of the vinyl coated wire. We really wanted to make something unique. I will do more research. The last thing I want to do is fatally "test" an unproven material.
I thank you for all your advise and ideas.
So.....am I correct in saying that it is not the coating that you feel would be unsafe but the possible improper metal preparation?

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#60720 - 10/03/05 01:12 PM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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That is my concern. If it is non-toxic when dry, and doesn't flake, I think, this is just my opinion, but I think it would be okay. I don't have enough faith in my own abilities to do it myself, so...And I have never seen one of my suggies chew on the bars. I know others have, though.
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#60721 - 10/03/05 03:29 PM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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I know that gliders have a tougher bite than I think but I really don't think a glider could chew through this stuff. I have bought a can and sprayed it on a sample sheet of the steel I'm using. I will wash, scrub, etc. and, I don't know..........let my kids play with it or something, for a while and see how it holds up. I will let you know.
Thanks again.......

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#60722 - 10/03/05 04:37 PM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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That would be great. Also, how does it hold up under clorox clean up.
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#60723 - 10/03/05 05:11 PM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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That is right, if it is dry and does not flake it will not hurt the glider.Only if they eat it will it hurt them.

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#60724 - 10/04/05 12:12 AM Re: epoxy enamel? [Re: ]
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I will try the clorox clean up on it too. I'll put it through the ringer! Maybe I should put it next to Marsi's cage so she can pee on it! LOL! If it works like I hope it will(the paint)I will also be spraying it on the wood section that the catch tray sits on (she can't get to it) for easy clean up of pee and poop that might miss the tray.
Thanks again......

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