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#613184 - 08/15/08 06:50 PM colors & %
gliderma Offline
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I have 7 gliders but only 1 breeding pair, who came to me with one ip. Nova was oop on June 2nd and mama has another ip (about grape sized) now. I see all this stuff about % and colors and would like to know more. Can someone please explain to me what the % means and how it is figured? I know some of the colors, but don't know all the abbreviations for them. My pair are light brown (cinnamon?) and Nova is a beautiful silver grey with a bit of a chin strap (black beauty?) My others are standard greys & the light brown. Thanks, always trying to learn more!!!!! :clap:
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#613191 - 08/15/08 07:03 PM Re: colors & % [Re: gliderma]
BeckiT Offline
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the percentages come into play with leucistic, creamino and albinos.. if the joeys don't express the actual color, they're a certain % het.
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#613194 - 08/15/08 07:06 PM Re: colors & % [Re: gliderma]
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WF-white face
WFB-white faced blonde
Mo-mosaic
BEW-black eyed white/ leu
Leu-leusistic
RT-ring tail
WT-white tip/WTT-white tip tail

Those are the ones I've seen, some one else can come along with others.

I don't know about figuring the % of hets because I have none but WT hets and the percentages don't seem to apply...the WT het may prove not to apply either, I really don't know.
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#613236 - 08/15/08 08:25 PM Re: colors & % [Re: Trigger]
gliderma Offline
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Still lost on the het & leu. My Big Daddy has a white tipped tail, does that have any signifigance?
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#613254 - 08/15/08 08:55 PM Re: colors & % [Re: gliderma]
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leucistic (also called leu or BEW) are all white with black eyes. If one parent is a leu and the other isn't, those joeys will be 100% hets. Lessor hets means they only have a possibility of carrying the gene. Het means they carry the trait but don't outwardly express it.

If you were to breed your Big Daddy with any other color, you'd either get more WT babies or babies that don't express the tip, but carry the gene, making them WT hets.
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#613257 - 08/15/08 09:04 PM Re: colors & % [Re: BeckiT]
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It's getting clearer? now Thanx! So Nova is not white tipped tail but is dark silver with a chin strap, so she would be what? She is daughter to Big D
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#613338 - 08/15/08 11:04 PM Re: colors & % [Re: gliderma]
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with a chin strap she's most likely a BB (black beauty) and also a WT het wink
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#613349 - 08/15/08 11:15 PM Re: colors & % [Re: BeckiT]
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Becki, do the WT hets actually seem proven?
I know there are some that say there are WT hets and some say it either shows or is not there?
Shanu is a WFB/het for WT
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#613380 - 08/16/08 12:25 AM Re: colors & % [Re: Trigger]
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I'm not Becki but...there ARE wt hets.

I have Everest, a grey wt/het for buttercream (mom is a wt grey and dad is a buttercream). He was paired with Addison, a 2nd gen wfb/het for wt. Their only joey, Alora is a wf buttercream.

Alora is paired with Caiden, a 3rd gen wfb.

They just had twin girls and one is a wfb/wt the other is a buttercream. So, I'd have to say that there are definately wt hets.
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#613393 - 08/16/08 01:28 AM Re: colors & % [Re: Dancing]
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Just to add onto what T said...

There most def are WT hets! smile My first wfb, Princess Paisley, is a wfb/wt het. Her twin broth was a wt, so there was a good chance that she carried the gene as also. Well, I paired her with a classic grey, Jack Daniels, with zero history of wt in his lines. Their first joeys were twins... 1 wfb/wt het and 1 wfb/wt! heart
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#613467 - 08/16/08 07:48 AM Re: colors & % [Re: Owndbymyfurballs]
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Thanks alot T & Becci, I had not heard of WT hets being proven until now. I am very glad to hear this.
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#613488 - 08/16/08 09:29 AM Re: colors & % [Re: Trigger]
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So if Nova is a bb and has the white tip trait, does that make her more valuable then a standard grey or brown? Would we have to wait for her joeys to determine this? How can 2 browns produce a bb?
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#613512 - 08/16/08 10:08 AM Re: colors & % [Re: gliderma]
BeckiT Offline
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WT hets generally are sold for the same price as a normal gray, but depending on the area they're being sold in, i've also seen them around $50 more. The only way to determine if a het actually carries the trait is to breed them.

I'm not familiar with brown gliders (other than ones who haven't had the easiest life and are just stained grays...), so can't offer any insight there, but BB seems to be a semi random trait.
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#613547 - 08/16/08 11:23 AM Re: colors & % [Re: BeckiT]
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Also, even if a wt het carres the gene... that doesn't mean they'll ever produce multiple wts. My wfb/wt het produced one wf/wt... the rest were greys/wt hets or wfb/wt hets.

As far as I know none of P's siblings have produced any wts, nor have her parents produced another
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#613548 - 08/16/08 11:24 AM Re: colors & % [Re: BeckiT]
gliderma Offline
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Maybe brown isn't the right choice of word, is it cinnamon? Thay are definately not silver grey, but more light brownish in color. Guess I'll have to post some pix, huh?
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#613564 - 08/16/08 11:53 AM Re: colors & % [Re: gliderma]
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I don't remember where, but I had read somewhere that most (not all) of the color differences were genetic mutations. The person that had this on their web site said that because of this, they don't sell most of the color differences for a higher price than their normal greys. I am not sure where this was, or how true it is, just sharing. I wish I could remember the site.

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#613581 - 08/16/08 12:27 PM Re: colors & % [Re: ]
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Gliderma, there is such a thing as a brownie. I have one brownie, and two bb's. It's just a really rich choc. color.

A cinny, on the other hand, is a very deep red color... not brown.

Hope that helps a bit. smile
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#613612 - 08/16/08 01:51 PM Re: colors & % [Re: Owndbymyfurballs]
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Registered: 08/08/08
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Something I wanted to add to this is that in wild caughts the difference in color also seemed to be affected by where they were from. My first gliders were imports so I can attest to that. Some were the gray we all know, but some came in brown. These guys were quarantined and were not fed porper diets, but to be completely honest none really were back then. Though we all had the best intentions we severely lacked the knowledge. My point in regards to the quarantine is that the hold time is not long enough to stain the fur. So though I do agree that some diets can stain the fur, in the wild there are natual color variations among the standard greys. agree
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