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#654726 - 10/11/08 04:22 AM Milo's Neuter
natalia305
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Hi everybody.

I am not a happy chappy right now.

The vet has used Staples (yes that's right - STAPLES!!!) for Milo's incision, instead of stitches or glue. he says he feels it is a much better and stronger method, but he only told me this AFTER he had done it.
The staples have to be in for two weeks.

Considering he has all these staples in him, Milo seems to be doing okay. (cant say the same for me)
Am really stressed about him and have barely slept.

Will keep you updated.

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#654728 - 10/11/08 06:02 AM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: ]
Rachel
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That is bizarre. Staples? In a sugar glider? I have never heard of such a thing and understand your concern. I sincerely hope the vet is right though and everything turns out fine.

When Lister was fixed the stitches were internal and a dot of blue was put over the incision site so he wouldn't be capable of picking.

But staples? How strange.

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#654732 - 10/11/08 06:49 AM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: ]
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Timmy had them in (for a few minutes) after he went after his stitches (he then ripped a staple out and they did stitches again, only this time one at at time). I would suggest getting a collar on him. As they heal, they will pull and if he pulls them out, he will be in trouble, as it will tear the skin. I can't believe the vet did that, but he has and now you have to keep him from going after them. He will heal with them.
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#654767 - 10/11/08 09:27 AM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: pappy1264]
natalia305
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I don't know how to deal with this. The vet assured me had done sugars plenty times before and then I go fetch him and this is what I find? frown
Milo does not seem too bothered by the staples (YET) frown but when he does groom down there he seems to be concentrating on the thread between his pom and his body (hope this makes sense)
Also when I picked him up, his pom was hanging quite far away from his body, and stayed that was for the whole of yesterday. Today its seems to be closer to his body, but still not entirely what it used to be? Does this sound normal?
And also it is not just one staple, havent had him keep still enough to count, but there are AT LEAST four of them, probably more.
I just cant believe this has happened. That vet was the only vet within a 2hour distance from me that seemed to be confident about sugar gliders.
I have been mostly hysterical since I brought Milo home, but he seems quite oblivious to anything.
My biggest stress at the moment is not the actual staples, but the thread of skin between his pom and his tummy. What will happen if he does chew through this? It seems so delicate that one bite could separate his body from his pom??

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#654824 - 10/11/08 12:59 PM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: ]
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Ok, first thing you need to do is breathe. I know that sounds silly but you need to remain calm so that you don't stress out your glider.

I've never heard of staples being used with a glider neuter and I'll ask some I know about that.

Second. Their poms can hang quite low from their bodies to where it looks like it is hanging by just a thread. This IS normal. This happens generally when they are either quite warm or very relaxed. Nothing to worry about.

I'm wondering why he still has a pom AND staples if he was neutered.

Can you post some pictures of his incision site for us? That would be a big help so we can see just what you are talking about.
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#655553 - 10/13/08 12:53 AM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: Dancing]
natalia305
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Hi everyone

Just an update.

The incision site is looking >surprisingly< good. His pom has come up a little bit closer to his body, and he has not bothered with the staples at all.

One question though - his pom seems to have shrunk ALOT? is this normal.

Honestly - I really think the vet stuffed up and didnt know 100% what he was doing because otherwise why is there such a large incision? There are 5 staples and that does not seem right at all.

But thank the Lord Milo seems just fine. Sleepier than usual, and crabbier than usual. But not bothered much by the going ons down under.

I just hope things stay this optimistic.

Hold thumbs for my little man!

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#655576 - 10/13/08 06:38 AM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: ]
natalia305
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Just a question, would it be okay to do first intros between Mia and Milo while he has these staples in? Like just in the bath tub?

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#655590 - 10/13/08 07:59 AM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: ]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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I would wait til the staples are out and he is fully healed so that Mia doesn't try to remove his staples or groom his incision. Do you have him in an ecollar? He may not be bothering the staples now but if/when they do bother him, he can do horrible damage to himself in just a few seconds, unless he has an ecollar on.

Just keep breathing! We are here for you and it sounds like he is doing just fine! Keep us posted. Pictures would be a great help to us too.
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#655592 - 10/13/08 08:02 AM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: suggiemom1980]
natalia305
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Will take pictures after work today, and post tommorow! Thanks!

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#655658 - 10/13/08 11:14 AM Re: Milo's Neuter [Re: ]
SAMoll
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Im glad everything is going good! I have never heard of staples either, but I guess it could be ok. Beast is getting neutered on Friday, and the vet said she is going to put the stitches under the skin and then just a little bit of glue on top. But I am VERY glad that your suggie is doing good, and I hope the introductions go well (when the time comes)!

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#656082 - 10/14/08 12:39 AM PLEASE HELP ME!!!!
natalia305
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Oh my word last night I managed to get photo's of Milo's incision and I realised that I hadn't realised just how bad it is.

Milo's Incision

The little piece of fluff hanging above the staples is what is left of his pom!!!
And you can't tell from this picture, but there are SEVEN staples!!

I am [censored] out, what must I do!!?!?!?!?!??

help shakehead help

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#656084 - 10/14/08 12:48 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: ]
hipbchik Offline
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HOLY COW! What kind of surgery did Milo have that he needed 7 staples??
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#656085 - 10/14/08 12:52 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
natalia305
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He has been neutered!!!!!! THAT IS IT!!! NO life threatening surgery, nothing complicated - just a simple neuter!!

HELP ME!!!!!!!!

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#656087 - 10/14/08 12:55 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: ]
hipbchik Offline
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Loc: Tucson, AZ
I don't know much about the vet system in South Africa...or the time difference? Is there another vet you can take him to? Is it daytime there or nighttime? Do you have an ecollar?
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#656091 - 10/14/08 12:59 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
natalia305
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He is the only vet within 2 hours distance the actually knew what a sugarglider was!

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#656100 - 10/14/08 01:19 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: ]
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Do you have an e-collar? I'd try to get him in one as soon as possible so he doesn't have access to the incision site.
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#656101 - 10/14/08 01:23 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
natalia305
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I have tried to get one on him and I just couldn't get it right???

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#656104 - 10/14/08 01:28 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: ]
hipbchik Offline
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I'm not much good at that from here, do you have someone there that can help you secure the ecollar? If not, can you perhaps take him to ANY vet that can help you with the collar or look at his incision site?

Is Milo actually going after the site, or is he leaving it alone?
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#656105 - 10/14/08 01:30 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
hipbchik Offline
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Hang in there...I'm trying to find help...
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#656114 - 10/14/08 01:48 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
natalia305
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Thank you! Milo doesnt seem at all bothered by it, its just me that is in a panic. I just spoke to another vet and told him what he has done, and he said that he would've done pretty much the same thing. Maybe this is just how South African vets do things, and I'm just panicking cos I'm comparing it to American vets?

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#656118 - 10/14/08 01:57 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: ]
hipbchik Offline
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yeah...that may just be how vets in South Africa do things...I'm certainly not going to speak out against something that I have no knowledge of...comparing to american vets, that was awfully invasive but I'm not a vet, only a glider owner who has had a glider neutered in a different way. The good news is Milo doesn't seem bothered by it. Keep an eye on him, and make sure he's not messing with the site much. Is he eating/drinking/moving around ok?

I sent PM's to a couple mods that have much more experience, and also posted on another board I belong to hoping someone will come along with more ideas. I'm sorry I'm not much help.
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#656120 - 10/14/08 02:02 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
natalia305
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You are great help!! it just helps having someone to talk to! He is still eating and drinking like a little piggie, and playing the same as always! Other than his incision site, he is exactly as he was before he was neutered.

But do you know if with the Pom on operation there, if the pom shrinks afterwards?

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#656122 - 10/14/08 02:04 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: ]
hipbchik Offline
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awww...I'm glad I'm here then, thanks!!

The pom WILL shrink afterwards, basically because there's nothing flowing through there.

I'm curious, did the vet say how long the staples will be in?
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#656123 - 10/14/08 02:06 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
natalia305
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For two weeks, and then I can bring him back to get them removed. Why?

I hate that I have to have them in for so long, because I wanted to start doing intros between him and my little girl frown But I am definately not gonna risk him popping a staple.

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#656125 - 10/14/08 02:11 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: ]
hipbchik Offline
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I was just curious that's all...neuters are done quite differently here, so it's interesting to hear how they are done somewhere else. Does that make sense? Is Milo on any kind of medication following the procedure?

Good for you not wanting to risk Milo popping any staples before they are due to come out...I'm with you, I'd wait to do the intro's ttil the staples come out.
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#656127 - 10/14/08 02:14 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
natalia305
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No medication at all, he was given a 24 hour painkiller on the day and that is it. I see what you are saying about seeing how other countries do it. South Africa is still a third world country so I think maybe I over-expected after comparing to your neuters. I think I am just going to have to take it day by day, hour by hour until the staples are out!

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#656128 - 10/14/08 02:17 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: ]
LSardou Offline
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Hi Sweetie, I'm sorry that things are a bit upsetting for you right now. The best thing you can do for your little fella is try and stay calm. I know it's hard, but the more stressed you become he will pick up on it and will start to stress himself.
If your unable to get the e collar on, if you can try and make a roll or fleece thick enough to where he can not reach his incision. You will need to try and tape it together enough to where he can't remove it. Do not get tape on his fur.
Did the vet give you pain medication and antibiotics for him. My concern right now is a chance of possible infection.
If you haven't received anything, I would try and get him in to see the vet to make sure everything is going as he/she has planned. it's better to be safe this early than to wait a couple more days to where something could happen.
I wished there were more that I can do, other than send you tons of moral support, hugs, and prayers.

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#656130 - 10/14/08 02:24 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: LSardou]
natalia305
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Thank you so much. I will really try calm down, but its not that easy. frown

I will definately try wrap it up, thats a good idea!

Thank you everybody!!!!

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#656131 - 10/14/08 02:25 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: LSardou]
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ahhhhhhhh...Linda, you're the GREATEST!! Thank you for stepping in...I knew someone with more experience would come along...
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#656133 - 10/14/08 02:40 AM Re: PLEASE HELP ME!!!! [Re: hipbchik]
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OMG, I'm so sorry Natalia, that vet is crazy! I don't mean to make you more upset, I'm sure your little guy will be ok, but if it were me I'd be down there beating his head in!! All it takes is a small incision to the pom, extraction of the testicles, and that's it. I've seen it done. Very simple, and pretty quick. NOT STAPLES. omg, STAPLES!! I'd have hurt him before I left his office!!

I'm sure that the vet wouldn't have done something that would be harmful in the long run, but he definitely overdid it! What's your glider going to do? Grow wolverine claws and rip himself open??

We'll all help you through this, hun, hang in there...
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