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#6670 - 05/18/03 06:44 PM BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS
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[:"blue"] Glider Greetings: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Some time ago, I became curious about the actual nutritional content of the BML diet. Since I couldn't find any detailed numbers for the diet as it is currently published, I decided to do my own.

Attached is a chart showing the figures for a dry weight breakdown of the basic components of the [:"purple"] BML MIX. [:"blue"] There are a few details that you need to keep in mind when looking at these figures.

First and foremost, this chart shows figures for the [:"purple"] BML MIX ONLY!!! [:"blue"] It [:"purple"] DOES NOT [:"blue"] include any information for the fruit, veggie and insect components of the diet. I am working on that information as I get the time and will post it when I am finished.

Secondly, the juice yogurt line shows combined values for 2 oz. of mixed fruit juice and 2 oz. of plain yogurt. The USDA National Nutritional Database does not have figures for the Gerber Fruit Juice with Yogurt. Since Bourbon has said the juice/yogurt mix is an acceptable substitute for the Gerber product, I believe it is OK to use these figures.(close enough for government work, as they say)

All of the nutritional values for the food components were taken from the from USDA National Nutritional Database. You can look at the original numbers, if you like by going to: USDA

The values for the Rep-Cal and the Herptivite were derived from the product labels and a little "kitchen table science". To calculate the values for Rep-Cal and Herptivite it was necessary to know with a reasonable amount of accuracy, how much a teaspoon of each material weighed. Since we are talking only a few grams per teaspoon, your average kitchen scales isn't going to do the job. First thing I did was to check with the local pharmacy to see if they could determine some weights for me. Turns out that your averaging pharmacy doesn't do that any more. You have to find a specialized pharmacy called a compounding pharmacy. The one closest to me wasn't very convenient, so I started looking for an alternative. To make a long story shorter, I used a scales that is designed for reloading firearms ammunition. It will weigh accurately to 1/70,000 oz....... [:"red"] WOW!!! [:"blue"]

Anyway, it turns out that there are about 37.3 teaspoons of material in a container of Rep-Cal(1 tsp. = 3.1 grams) and there are about 33.1 teaspoons of material in a container of Herptivite.(1 tsp. = 2.7 grams)

One question that some of you may have is about the Ca : P ratio so let me deal with that right now. Yes, the [:"purple"]BML MIX [:"blue"] has a ratio of about 3.7 : 1. Yes, that is quite high. No, that is not a problem. Why.......because the fruits, veggies and insects are generally very high in P. When you add in the fruits, veggies and insects, the overall ratio of Ca:P for the total diet is around
2 : 1. It varies a little bit depending upon exactly which fruits, veggies and insects are being feed; but, if you feed a good variety of fruits and veggies, it will average out at the currently accepted proper level of 2 : 1.

Guess that about covers it. I hope that this information is useful to you. If you have any questions, ask away, and i'll do my best to get you answers. The simple ones, I can probably handle; but, if you guys start asking real head-scratchers, we'll probably have to appeal to Bourbon for help. BTW, Bourbon hasn't seen these numbers.....if anyone finds a mistake, the responsibility is mine.
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#6671 - 05/18/03 07:08 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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NOTHING. but sure brilliance and a little common sense to dig deep <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.

cant wait till i hear from ya again. always a pleasure.

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#6672 - 05/18/03 07:17 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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Randy,

I guess txt files work too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> . Great work <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />.


Edited by BeetleJuice (05/18/03 08:02 PM)
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#6673 - 05/18/03 08:04 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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[:"blue"] [b]Glider Greetings: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Thanks, Craig. I think the problem is solved. I originally did the chart in WORD and apparently GC doesn't like that format so I redid it in a simple .txt format and it seems to be OK.

[:"purple"]Edited: Accoring to the error message that I got:

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[:"black"] The files you may upload must have the following extension: .gif,.jpg,.bmp,.ico,.png,.psp,.psd,.JPG,.pdf,.txt

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[:"purple"]BTW, Craig, I've put the Dramamine away.......LOL. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
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#6674 - 05/18/03 08:55 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
Lucy Offline
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The reason we haven't included .doc attachments is the possibility of macro viruses -- however, I could easily put a Word document into a PDF file, Randy -- let me know if you'd like me to help with that.
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#6675 - 05/18/03 09:11 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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Thanks, Lucy. I'll keep that in mind for future reference. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#6676 - 05/18/03 09:47 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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LOL, I'm still tinkering with it, I wouldn't put that Dramamine away yet. Who knows how the next one will turn out <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#6677 - 05/19/03 12:03 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Randy, thanks, I've been trying to see just how many batches of bml I get out of each thing, the cereal, wheat germ, etc, now I can figure the calcium and vitamins out too, cuz I keep forgetting to mark it down when I make it up! And figure cost!

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#6678 - 05/19/03 12:09 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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Randy, you did a wonderful job. Thanks. I hope now we can keep them around as so many questions are asked about them. And I must say you came in with same figures that Bruce and Dr. Ellen D.

Once the veggies are up that will make a difference. Is there anyway to put them both on the same page so the COMPLETE nutritional plan can be all togeather?

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#6679 - 05/19/03 02:55 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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Great work Randy! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#6680 - 05/19/03 05:19 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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You always have such wonderful information for us! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> Thanks a bunch <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#6681 - 05/19/03 06:07 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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[:"blue"] Glider Greetings, Ellen: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

You read my mind...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinkerg.gif" alt="" />

Exactly what I had in mind. I'm working on the fruit and veggie figures now and will post them as soon as they are done. Now that I've figured out how to do this work, the remaining parts of the project should go a little faster.
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#6682 - 05/19/03 10:08 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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Randy, you never cease to amaze me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#6683 - 05/20/03 02:44 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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You RULE!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> You are truly a sugar glider advocate.

I do have one question: I noticed that the percentage of BML protein is 16%. Recently, in various discussions, I've heard a lot of debate about how much of a glider's overall diet should be protein. I thought it was about 25-30%, but people are now saying as high as 50%. I know that the BML mixture is only part of the plan, and I'm wondering about how much protein I need in addition to the mixture (we feed 1-3 superworms per glider per day--is this enough?).

Thanks again for your work!

Crystal
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#6684 - 05/20/03 05:08 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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Glider Greetings, Crystal: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Excellent question........ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" /> In fact, that was exactly the question that got me started on this little project in the first place!! I asked that same question when I first started keeping gliders; but, never got what I considered to be a fully satisfactory answer.

And I still don't know the complete answer. I'll pass along some things that I have learned and a couple of personal opinions and hopefully, some other GC members will add some insight.

I'm involved with some other things right now and the answer will be a bit involved.....I'll try to answer this later tonight or maybe tomorrow.

Thanks......a really GOOD question!!! <smile>

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#6685 - 05/20/03 06:34 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS [Re: ]
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I have seen this recently, too, and I'm not sure where the figures came from. Most things I have read, and people I have talked to, say around 25%-33% protein. I know some people think the requirements should be higher, but most literature appears to be around 1/4 to 1/3 of the diet.
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#6686 - 05/28/03 12:31 AM BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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[:"blue"] Glider Greetings, Crystal: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

The short answer to your question is that I don't know and neither does anyone else......or if they do, they are not telling.

There have been some educated guesses made by vets and animal nutritionists; but, to the best of my knowledge there have never been any controlled scientific studies done specifically with gliders to determine their actual protein requirements. I understand there have been studies done on animals similar to gliders in taxonomy and behavior and based on comparisons of various metabolic functions, estimates have been made of glider nutritional requirements. I don't currently have that information; but, am trying to get my hands on it.

Before we get too far along, we must be sure we are talking about apples and apples....not apples and oranges. If someone tells you that a glider diet should be 50% protein, exactly what does that mean? For example, let's say you feed your glider 1 TBS of fruit , 1TBS of veggies and 2 TBS of broiled chicken.....that kind of looks like 50% protein, doesn't it?? Well it is 50% protein by volume......but, let's look a little farther.

OK......here's another sample diet. Our glider is fed nothing but broiled chicken.....no fruits and no veggies.....that's 100% protein by volume. However, if we look at the USDA National Nutritional Database, we find that broiled chicken is made up of 65% water, 31% protein, 0% carbohydrate, 3% fat, 1% ash and 0% fiber. For every 100 grams of chicken that our glider consumes, he actually ingests 31 grams of protein, so his diet is 31% protein. Well, not exactly. Nutritionists use a method of analysing food that is based on "dry weight". Basically, what this means is they ignore the water content of the food and calculate only the values for the "dry" components. In our pure chicken diet above if we do a "dry weight" analysis, the numbers look like this. For every 100 grams of chicken there are 31 grams of protein, 0 grams of carbohydrate, 3 grams of fat, 1 gram of ash and 0 grams of fiber. The dry weight analysis for chicken is 31 divided by 31 + 3 + 1 = 89% protein. So, if you are giving your glider nothing but pure chicken, he is getting either 100% protein or 31% protein or 89% protein depending how you do the calculation!!! Now if someone tells you that your glider is supposed to be getting 30% protein, you have to be sure that they know what they are talking about and that you know what they are talking about!!! And chances are..... THEY don't know what they are talking about.

And just to add one more consideration.....lets look at three more diets.....each 100% protein by volume. One glider gets nothing but mealies, one glider gets nothing but chicken and one glider gets nothing but dry cat food. Well, each of these protein sources contains a different amount of protein, so the "mealie" glider actually gets 20% protein by weight, the "chicken" glider actually gets 31% protein by weight and the "cat food glider" actually gets 40% protein by weight.

From the above examples, hopefully, you now can how useless a "protein" number is unless we clearly define what we are talking about.

Now let me pass along a few tidbits about glider diets. Ryan B ran across a 1982 article written by A.P. Smith of the Zoology Department, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria, Australia. The article entitled diet and Feeding Strategies Of The Marsupial Sugar Glider In Temperate Australia and was published in the Journal of Animal Ecology. It is 17 pages of mostly technical stuff that is a little beyond me. However there were a number of things that even a layman could pick up on. If you are interested in reading the whole article e-mail Ryan. I'm sure he will be happy to send you a copy.

Here are some interesting comments from the paper:

1. During the autumn and winter, gliders feed mainly on plant exudates: wattle gum, eucalypt sap and eucalypt nectar.

2. During the spring and summer, gliders feed mainly on insects.

3. Insects are prefered to plant exudates when available.

4. Gliders spent 43% of their foraging time feeding on gum.

5. Gliders spent 11% of their foraging time feeding on sap.

6. Pollen is a potential source of protein; however the ability of gliders to digest pollen is unknown. Mammals, in general, are considered to be incapable of digesting pollen. No gliders were observed to feed on nectar or pollen; but, anthers from eucalypt flowere were common in glider faeces during the winter.

7. Gliders spent 10% of their foraging time feeding on honeydew during the spring and fall; but, none during the summer.

8. Gliders spent 30% of their foraging time feeding on manna in the spring, smaller amounts of time in the summer and fall and none in the winter.

9. Virtually no insects are present during the winter.

10. Gliders spent 27% of their foraging time in movement amongst the foliage that was interpreted as random searching for insects. Gliders were rarely observed to catch insects and this suggests that gliders satisfy little of their energy requirements from insects. The insects captured during one 8 hr. summer observation period would satisfy only 1/15 of the daily energy requirement of a glider.

11. The most productive and and least dispersed resource available to gliders was eucalypt sap........by maintaining such sites, gliders should be able to satisfy all of their daily energy requirements

12. An abundant additional plant exudate, acacia gum, was also heavily utilized by gliders......

13. Plant exudates were sufficiently abundant in all seasons to provide the bulk of glider's carbohydrate requirements; but, contain little or no protein.

14. This low abundance (of insect remains in glider faeces) suggest that gliders may be protein deficient at this time of year(winter).

15. The period of maximum insect abundance corresponds with the peroid of maximum protein demand.....late lactation.

16. Gliders may be prevented from breeding in autumn and winter by an insufficient protein content in their predominantly exudate diet during this time.

Note: This was a limited study in a relatively small and possibly non-typical area of glider habitat. It is certainly possible that a different outcome would have resulted from a study conducted in a different area.

I, in no way, claim the information presented above is the full and complete story on glider protein needs/diets. What I do know is that it is the only piece of scientific study that I have ever seen on the subject. Everything else that I have ever seen is opinion, conjecture, rumor and anecdotal evidence. I don't have access to the academic literature nor the time or knowledge to properly evaluate it, if I did. If there is anyone out there who has more insight on the question, we all would love to hear about it.

From some conversations that I've had with several knowledgeable individuals, it appears that gliders may have an above average ability to "conserve amino acids"......they can use protein more efficiently than most animals. If this turns out to be true and coupled with the comments above, one might reasonably begin to think about the possibility that gliders need less protein than we have been led to believe. Maybe one of the reasons our captive gliders breed so prolifically is that they are receiving a much higher protein diet than they would get in the wild???

Until such time as someone does a controlled scientific study on the nutritional requirements of gliders and can say that gliders need X grams of protein per gram of body weight per day, the best that any of us can do is feed our gliders one of the established diets that has been proven over time and closely monitor the health and well-being of our amimal/s. For the time being, the final/only test of a proper diet is simply how healthy our gliders are.
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#6687 - 05/28/03 01:22 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Gosh Randy, you are so smart!
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#6688 - 05/28/03 01:31 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Now let me pass along a few tidbits about glider diets. Ryan B ran across a 1982 article written by A.P. Smith of the Zoology Department, Monash University, Clayton, Victoria, Australia. The article entitled diet and Feeding Strategies Of The Marsupial Sugar Glider In Temperate Australia and was published in the Journal of Animal Ecology. It is 17 pages of mostly technical stuff that is a little beyond me. However there were a number of things that even a layman could pick up on. If you are interested in reading the whole article e-mail Ryan. I'm sure he will be happy to send you a copy.


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I am very interested in getting a copy of this article. Could you please email me a copy; I am not sure which Ryan you are referring to.

Ideally the best information to base a diet upon is an exact replication of their wild diet. Since that is not feasible we must rely upon approximations based upon reasonable assumption of what their nutritional intake of various components of their diet are. Studies like the one mentioned above can be used to analyze their nutritional break down and used to reform the current diets to reflect more of their wild diet. I will run a search of my college databases later this week and see if there are any more sugar glider studies similar to this one.

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#6689 - 05/28/03 01:34 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Hi Randy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />,

I was actually checking now and then to see if you'd forgotten about that question...but it was just as I suspected...you were hard at work!!

THe info. you posted is amazing. I think I speak for the whole of the community when I say THANKS SO MUCH! I guess the end result is that I'll just keep to what I've been doing as long as my guys look healthy (just for the record, with the BML diet, we feed about 1-2 superworms per glider per night...don't know if that seems like enough, but those worms are GIGANTIC).

Crystal <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
and PUnka <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />

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#6690 - 05/28/03 04:44 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Glider Greetings, Ushuaia: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />


EM sent. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

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#6691 - 05/28/03 04:59 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Glider Greetings, Crystal: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

If I remember correctly, 1-2 superworms per evening is exactly what Bourbon recommends for the BML diet. If your gliders seem to be doing ok, I'd stick with it and not make any changes.

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#6692 - 12/17/03 08:41 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Randy:

INCREDIBLE WORK AND INFO!!! I hope I speak for everyone when I say thank you for devoting SOOOO much of your time and doing this. It is soooo appreciated!!!
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#6693 - 12/17/03 09:50 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Wow, Randy! You're amazing!

Can you also add the nutritional breakdown of worms, crickets, grasshoppers (the stuff we commonly feed) to your chart? I was comparing the Can o' Grasshoppers to the Can o' Worms and Crickets, and they're higher in protein. But I couldn't tell what the other ratios were from the can. I know it probably makes a difference (or does it?) if you list ZooMed's canned goodies versus Grubco's worms or live worms and crickets, but it would be interesting to see that analysis, nonetheless.

Thanks for sharing, and letting us pick at, your brain!
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#6694 - 02/20/04 12:01 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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A little update...I was going through this to see the difference different brands of stuff (ex. bf chicken) made, and I was able to find the babyfood juice w/ yogurt in the database. I typed in babyfood yogurt, and it came back with "Babyfood, mixed fruit juice with low fat yogurt"

The numbers are REALLY close to yours though, Randy...but the calcium and phosphorous are both lower in the gerber juice w/ yogurt.

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#6695 - 02/21/04 02:15 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Randy hi
There is a chapter of Smith's above mentioned article & <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> studies in -
"Possums and Gliders" 1984 Smith,A. and Hume,I.

Also take a look at the following link from -
"Marsupial Nutrition" 1999 Hume, I.
http://assets.cambridge.org
(type in - Hume & look for 1999 title)
I think you will find this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> info very interesting!
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#6696 - 02/23/04 02:35 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Amie: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for the update !!! You don't know how many times and how many ways I looked at the USDA figures to find the fruit juice with yogurt. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" />

Either I had a gigantic brain [censored] or the data wasn't there when I was looking for it. The current USDA data was updated in July of 2003 and I see that this post was started in May of 2003 so I'm going to assume that the juice/yogurt data was added after i did my calculations. Not that it really matters.......it's nice to know the figures are now available!!!

As Amie mentioned the Ca and P figures are a little lower.....11 mg for each.....which is about 1/3 of a mg per day........not enough to worry about in the grand of scheme things.

Just a heads up for those who are interested, I've almost finished working on the numbers for the veggie component of the BML diet. When that is done, I'll be able to post the figures for the TOTAL BML DIET which was the ultimate goal of this project in the first place. Then it will be time to get started on another one. I'm thinking about doing either the Suncoast diet or one of the Australian diets. From now on things are going to get a little sticky.....most of the remaining diets contain at least some food items that are not listed in the USDA Nutritional Database so getting nutritional information will be more difficult, if not impossible, for an amateur like myself. We will just see how it shakes out.

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#6697 - 02/23/04 04:07 AM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: Devil_Bunny_Girl]
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Pockets: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for the link........it was very interesting. I don't have $60 to spend on Hume's book right now; but I am going to see if my public library can find a copy of it for me.

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#6698 - 02/23/04 04:29 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: ]
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Randy
You are only aprox 3 hours away! I am staying with my daughter until my home in Michigan sells & once I get situated you are more than welcome to visit & view Pockets Australian library <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />
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#6699 - 02/23/04 08:06 PM Re: BML MIX-NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS--PART 2 [Re: Devil_Bunny_Girl]
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.....You are only aprox 3 hours away.....until my home in Michigan sells.....

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That's 3 hrs. as the glider glides??? LOL I can't believe you traded in all of those wonderful trees and the snow of Michigan for the heat and dust of Texas????

Thanks for the offer.....i'm afraid that if I visited your library, I might never leave!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" />

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