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#68389 - 11/13/05 10:33 PM Breeding Platinums?
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Hi All!

I am really thinking about starting a small platinum breeding program by the winter of 2006. I am really planning ahead here. Well for those of you that are really into color breeding as I am. I really am going to be looking for your insight. I have the following questions:

How do I breed for Platinum?

Are there such things as Het for Platinums?

Are there any known health problems that arise with this coloration?

Are there any sterility problems?


I would also like to see pictures of some of your platinums. I would like to get a feel of what the average Platimun looks like. Thanks so much everyone.

Talk to you later!
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#68390 - 11/13/05 10:36 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
itsasugarglider Offline
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I thought when you got colored babies it was just chance? Can't a platinum or wfb or white come from a gray glider with only gray in it's genes somehow? (Though I don't know how, it seems like that's how it happens.) I never understood breeding for colors though.
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#68391 - 11/13/05 10:39 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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No these colors do not just happen. They must be of a certain lineage or actually be homozygous for the gene to produce more babies of the same coloration.
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#68392 - 11/13/05 10:49 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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Platinum is co dominate so you can pair it with a normal and get a plat... and then mostly all plat males are sterile... You would be better off getting a 3rd generation bred out female platinum or two for your breedings.... If you want to talk more about this you know my email my aim name my yahoo name and you can just ask and I will answer to what every questions you might have...

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#68393 - 11/13/05 10:57 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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There really aren't that many platinums in existence.
Nobody knows exactly how the genes work for platinum.
People have theories and some are working on breeding for platinum, but nobody has gotten consistent results, and there are only a few people breeding platinum variations. One issue is that males tend to be sterile. It is speculated that this is due to inbreeding done by a breeder of white variations some time back.

It is theorized that platinum is a result of either incomplete dominance or codominance of some sort of white gene. It is thought to be a variation of the leucistic gene.

What is commonly believed is that there are no hets for platinum, the carriers of the platinum gene and the genes of other white variations will be platinum or a white variation, but this is not exactly fact and hasn't been worked on too much, at least in the case of platinum.

Sheila did have a diluted glider that was born to her platinum Haley, but it wasn't as white as Haley. It did look pretty unique, but I haven't seen any pics in awhile.

Also, there are a few different kinds of platinum gliders. Some have platinums that are sort of speckled white and grey gliders that have a sort of uneven coat. There is Sheila's platinum, Haley, which has a very even blending in her coat, and there are the others such as Sheila's Jolene and also Shadow, and a few other gliders that are owned by Priscilla Price that are a more uneven white variation. So, this has me wondering if the genetics responsible for these platinums is even the same.

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#68394 - 11/13/05 10:59 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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Lets not leave out the random gene mutation… <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />lol <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />…

Best of luck on you new venture Billy … <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />. Looking forward to the pics… of ALL your babies…. but sorry… I defiantly have not made a priority of mapping the genetic code…but I know many others are working in it… as Kris above offered …. He seems to be one that is tracking that….
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#68395 - 11/13/05 11:07 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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O_O. I'm good in science, but I will never understand that. No no no I won't.
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#68396 - 11/14/05 06:25 AM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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Have they begun genetic coding of gliders? I breed hamsters and have knowledge of genetics. I tried to google glider genetics and it is slim pickings to read over. I have read on various 'theories', but have found little concrete evedince outside of trial and error from talking with breeders. I do understand for some of the colors you have to breed out for 4 generations to insure your chances of obtaining a vial male, and to avoid 'thinning' the blood.

There's also factors of gliders not mating because they either don't care to mate with each other or..aren't attracted to each other that way.

Record keeping of breeding lines will be a must to avoid/minimize breeding relatives.

It would be nice if there were "Standards" for the colors. Not meaning for showing, but standards for breeders to aim for. Color variations are speratic on the shades, coats, markings...etc. I think it would make it a little easier if there was a target to aim for. Kind of like breed standards in dogs, cats, horses..etc.

You have your work cut our for you. Keep us in the loop hole on how your plans are going.

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#68397 - 11/14/05 12:47 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Nope no genetic code on them for sure just peoples understanding of it...

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#68398 - 11/14/05 12:53 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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Breeding for platinums, all depends on what you consider a platinum. As Ern said, there are several different versions platinums. Some seem to be deluted mosaics and others co-dominant leucistics... Personally, I think that the Haley colored gliders are what should be considered true platinums. Platinum is a color, not a patern. Gliders like Shadow and Joleen are more of a patern morph... Depending on what tyep of platinum you want to breed for you are going to need gliders with different genetic backgrounds.

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#68399 - 11/14/05 04:51 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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good luck finding them too! It's gonna be tough <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#68400 - 11/14/05 05:52 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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I am going to take this info very generously guys. This has helped me a lot. I am alreasy speaking to Priscilla by email on this one. I will call her tonight, hopefully to get a better understanding.
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#68401 - 11/14/05 05:54 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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I posted a while back on having a Standard for glider colors, but not to many people were interested. Maybe we should really get a standard and registry going!
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#68402 - 11/14/05 05:56 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I tried to get a registry and establish standards a while back and for the most part, the glider community was rather unwilling... I have noticed that the color standards I outlined seem to be sticking though. Maybe my timing was off, lol.

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#68403 - 11/14/05 06:11 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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Well lets see if we can get another breeder post and see how many are will to get together and get this project going. I am definitly up for doing this for the glider community.
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#68404 - 11/14/05 06:24 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I still have all of my work saved somewhere...

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#68405 - 11/14/05 09:10 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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Cool Leyna can you send it too me through email?. I know that from all of my dgo experreince, I have a lot of knowledge as to how standards work and how registries work. I am goig to talk to Priscilla tommorow. I have to make a months worth of food for my gliders. I leave to Puerto Rico this Friday. I cannot wait to get this Platinum program going next winter. I think it will go well. I have to work with my Leu program this summer. Thanks for all the info on the Platinum coloration!

Does anyone have any good Platinum Pics?
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#68406 - 11/14/05 09:35 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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I'll have to find if first... It's on my old computer, so I'll have to hook it up and hunt the info down, lol. Give me a day or two and I'll send it to you.

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#68407 - 11/14/05 10:02 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
Sheila Offline
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I am not sure if there are any platinums. If you want to call Haley a WFB platinum, that is fine, but all the ones I have ever seen besides Haley & Comet, have been white mozaics including Shadow. His color was random and not planned. There are certain pairs that produce those colors and those pairs repeat them over and over. Those males are sterile because in the original program before Priscilla had it the gliders were inbred. The only male that is not Sterile is the line of males out of Snowwhite. All of the mozaics, Champagnes and white mozaics produce sterile colored males. She has been trying to keep the colored females and breed them out over four times to see if this sterility is bred out of them. There has not been enough time in her program to do this because they don't always have females. Priscilla has just had a couple more of what you would call platinum females, which will give her another generation to continue with this trial. They are out of white mozaic and a normal. The normal is out of Snowwhite, and this does not make him a het, but it seems the ones out of the mozaics or Snowwhite that are normal colored, when paired with a mozaic, produce whiter colors. This paring is Priscilla's theory, and who would know what would happen if she put those same mozaics with normals, if she wouldn't have the same results. I think she would have the same results if she were to put those mozaics with WFB's. She thinks the way the alleles line up is what is making the white color between the white mozaic and the so called normal out of a white mozaic. She has the most to work with, and time will tell a lot Billy. All I have is Haley and Comet. I am more inclined to think that Lil Dipper has a special gene along with Bailey. Bailey came out of Noel and Frodo. Frodo was the direct son of Cereal. We have no idea how Cereal ever came about. He was exceptionally light for a WFB and could have possibly been a het for Leucistic himself. I find that the WFB's(that carry the gene) out of 100% Leucistics are exceptionally light or have a gold crown on the back of their necks. Attached you will see a picture of two that are 66% hets, that I believe both carry the gene. Ernest, one of the reasons Haley's daughter is not as light is that she is not a WFB like Haley. If I paired Comet, her daughter with a WFB 100% het for Leucistic, I would probably come up with another similar Haley. Because there is no inbreeding in the line, I would guarantee there is no sterility in Haley's line. There is also no Sterility in Snowwhite's line, or Jolenes. Jolene has been at the Pet Glider faciltiy. Because of her age, I wanted to pair her with a Mozaic and Priscilla and I paired her with Shakespeare who is from Snowwhite's line. Jolene has just had her joey. All we have is a tail and a leg, but so far there are rings showing on the tail. The rest of the body is still in pouch. One thing about Mozaics is, they seem to be related to the ringtail. Ringtail's will produce white Mozaics or what you would call platinum and vice versa I believe. It all depends on what you put it with. I believe we have named these classifications of colors. In my opinion, there is a mozaic, a white mozaic (Shadow), and a ringtail. Snowwhite would also be classified as a white mozaic. Her mother looked almost like her, but had more gray on her. Her father was what we call a Calico - A glider that is multi banded with oranges and golds and can carry a ringtail also. There are only two gliders like Jolene. Anita Totty has one also. Jolene and Sugar (Anita's glider) both have the same shape head and face. I believe they are totally from a different part of Australia. When I had Jolene with a WFB Leucistic Het, all I got was champagnes. Who knows the next joey could have been a mozaic or ringtail. By putting her with Shakespere, we have mixed up the alleles again. Billy, everyone is still learning. A year ago, we knew a lot less than we know today. Maybe we will know a little more by the time you get ready for this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />


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#68408 - 11/14/05 10:44 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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Right now I have a first cousin to Baliey named Cameron paired with an albino het and their baby is soo white and pretty but It might just be because the parents are both pretty!! (attached is a pic even though its off topic not the best but pretty good pic lol)

I consider Haley and Comets color a true platinum color and the color like shadow is a mosaic platinum because mosaic is a pattern.... and mosaics plats ringtails calicos white calicos and so on came from a line of a wild caught leucistic that was in bred and inbred the line kept getting inbred then P took over and got it back on track and doing pretty good... Snow whites line is not sterile is because snowwhite is from a wild caught leucistic and a normal (dont ask me how shes white) so snowwhite is close to the begging I think not total sure or she is just a different line. All of the colors are related in a way because they come from that one leucistics line.

Sheila Priscilla told me Shakespear was a white calico with one ring on his tail I think that was him I would have to go back and check threw emails. Billy all you can do is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" /> and just find out as much as you can and experment with the platinum line or watch what P gets with her platinums. I would (if I ever get a white varation like that) pair it with a wfb a really light wfb. So keep us all updated and let me know if you need anything <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> and just keep on researching it you are doing good so far <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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#68409 - 11/14/05 10:49 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
agilitygliders Offline
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Thanks so much Sheila! Can you believe I can understand all of this stuff now!LOL.
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#68410 - 11/14/05 11:01 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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Kris, Snowwhite's mother is not a Leucistic. I have a picture of her if you would like
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#68411 - 11/14/05 11:04 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Ernest, one of the reasons Haley's daughter is not as light is that she is not a WFB like Haley. If I paired Comet, her daughter with a WFB 100% het for Leucistic, I would probably come up with another similar Haley.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Maybe, but if you compare Haley's baby pics with her daughter's, there is a huge difference in the amount of white. It looks to be a bit much white to be the work of the wf gene, eh?

I hope that you can get another like Haley by breeding her daughter to a wf 100% het. Maybe Sunny, he produces those nice light joeys anyways? How come you don't put Bailey back with Lil' D maybe they'll bless you again?

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#68412 - 11/14/05 11:08 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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I may have to split my colony up and if so, I will put Bailey in with Little Dipper again. When I put Mickey in the colony, after a month, Sterling lost her eye. The only glider she has felt comfortable with is Bailey. She has not had another joey since the incident.
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#68413 - 11/14/05 11:10 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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if you could could you send it to me Stacie got a glider from her line and the lineage was snowwhites parents were normal and leu but please send the pic laugh

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#68414 - 11/14/05 11:10 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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If you compare a normal with a light WF, you would see the difference in color comparible to a Platinum with WF verses a Platinum without.
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#68415 - 11/14/05 11:23 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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One thing about Haley and comet is that Haley looked like a leucistic when OOP but she had a grey tip and was all white and then got older and devolped the color comet did not she had color when she was oop. if you could possibly get pics of the two standing next to eachother? so we can compare? Either way they are both pretty....

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#68416 - 11/14/05 11:29 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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yup Snowwhites mom is a mosaic like Snowwhite looks the same but she has yellow on her (maybe from a bad diet???)

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#68417 - 11/14/05 11:29 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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Comet will not be as light because she is not a wfb. If Comet is with a wfb and produces a platinum wfb, I believe it will be lighter than the mother. All WFB are lighter than normals when born. their tails are even silver before coming oop.
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#68418 - 11/14/05 11:52 PM Re: Breeding Platinums? [Re: ]
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Do you have a wf that you plain to breed comet with? Gelilo is Haleys brother hes pretty light maybe a joey from him and venus??? its close but linebreeding

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