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#685343 - 12/03/08 07:11 PM Please pray for Holly
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
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Loc: Kilgore, Texas
Holly has been on a slow steady decline for over a month............and I mean very slow. Took her to the vet early November and her urinalysis and fecal float and smear was negative. she acted fine that day!! Silly glider. well got her home and she would climb some but get tired quickly and rest then climb a little more down that is resting all along the way. she would do this weird thing sitting on the bottom of the cage and hold the cage bars............like someone in jail. in the past 4 days she crawls around on her belly, acts like she does not have much balance or just really weak. she eats well but acts like she loses her balance............feeding stations are on the bottom of the cage and she is always eating.. She has 2 joeys.........I am sure you have heard of Kandy and Kane. They go to their new momma this weekend. for the past 3 or 4 weeks I have been supplementing her and her joeys with Ensure................not the one with extra calcium though until yesterday.
we finally got back into the vet yesterday.............................he was behind from the Holiday. He did an xray which was negative.............liver normal size, no problems. He drew blood and sent it off. he did a fecal.......negative except for the bee pollan smile
He gave her a shot of Calcium Gluconate based on her symptoms.

Labs came in late this afternoon:
alkaline phosphatase (liver enzymes) was 2100.................average is 230.
her calcium level was low @ 4.2...............he says it should be closer to 7 or 8. He has some calcium for me to pick up at his office tomorrow and give her twice a day. The thing is if the liver enzymes dont start going down her organs will begin shutting down...............the calcium going down is a probable symptom of the enzymes???.

I dont know if this will have any effect on her joeys or not the vet did not think so........................But I will be asking again.

Thanks Peggy for calling me..................If you did not get her labs via fax please let me....................I appreciate any input Dr. Tristan has. I also have Mary and Dr. Fronefeld involved maybe if the top vets get their heads together they can save my Holly.

Charlie H was asking if there is too much phosphorus in her diet????

My vet wants me to bring him the specifics on the HPW diet.......................Peggy do you have that saved on your comp somewhere??? I cant find much info on the High protien wombaroo box...................................Appreciate you so much.


I also appreciate everyone else who either answered the phone or called me back....................................I am sure I cried but thats me when it comes to my furkids!!
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#685369 - 12/03/08 07:35 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
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hug2 hug2 Prayers for Holly over here. hug2 hug2


Edited by mommabear82 (12/03/08 07:36 PM)

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#685374 - 12/03/08 07:36 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: ]
prettyinpink
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She'll be in my thoughts!!! smile

hug2 hug2

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#685379 - 12/03/08 07:39 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: ]
LSardou Offline
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I wish I could be of more help, but it looks like you have the very best at hand, so I'm just letting you know that I will keep your sweet Holly in my thoughts and prayers. hug2

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#685403 - 12/03/08 07:52 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
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hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2

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#685416 - 12/03/08 08:00 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: ]
Cora Offline
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I love the support here among the glider community.

many of you met Holly at the SGGA.
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#685444 - 12/03/08 08:24 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
ozzi Offline
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Registered: 02/01/08
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Loc: Sedona, AZ
Hi Cora,
I am so sorry to hear about Holly and her decline in health upset
How old is she?
Sending lots of love and prayers out for her...

Pat, Boo-Boo, and BJ
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#685449 - 12/03/08 08:33 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: ozzi]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
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Loc: Kilgore, Texas
Holly will be 1 year OOP 12/7/08
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#685468 - 12/03/08 09:02 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
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im keeping my fingers crossed for you and holly cora!!!! i hope she gets better really soon!!!!!!!!! keep us all updated!!!!!!

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#685505 - 12/03/08 09:31 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/07/07
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Loc: East Texas (Tyler Tx)
Cora, this makes me so very sad for both you and Holly!!! Please, if you need ANYTHING dont hesitate to call ... I know there isnt too much I can help with ... but I will try my hardest!!!

I will be praying for you guys!!!! hug2 hug2
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#685519 - 12/03/08 09:46 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: ]
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Registered: 08/17/08
Posts: 2713
Loc: Perry, Iowa
when gizmo died, my vet thought that i had overdone on the phosphorus level, because he couldn't find a thing wrong w/his organs. but, i know that couldn't have been it, because i had pages of stuff from what to feed & not feed by the cal-phos. ratios.
he wasn't getting the protien he needed, though. that's why i will always blame myself for him dying. i was in charge of feeding my babies, & food was the only thing the vet could think of.
we don't think he had giardia, though. i think sissie came down w/it because she must have been sooooo upset @ loosing her bro, & then having a new guy 'on the block'. before she died, though, they did bond .
when sissie died, i called linda, & she told me to put sissie in the hospital cage, & let cosmos see her, so he can understand. sissie didn't get that w/gizmo.
& since our babies all have giardia (in the dormant state),
it came to life when she stessed out w/gizmo being gone, & cosmos taking his place. we didn't know of the 'quarentine'
rules for them. sure wish we would have, i mwould still have her now, i feel.
i do cry w/you.
i cry w/everybody, we all do, i know, because we have all had some sort of saddness w/these precious angels.
talk @ ya L8R
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#685590 - 12/03/08 11:12 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: josefine]
BCChins Offline
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Loc: Central Connecticut
Cora I will keep Holly and you in my thoughts. May they find out what is going on and get her feeling better soon.
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#685600 - 12/03/08 11:21 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: BCChins]
tngliderlover Offline
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Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 548
Loc: Gallatin, TN (near Nashville)
Cora, I'll be thinking about Holly and I wish her a speedy recovery. hug2
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#685715 - 12/04/08 07:21 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: tngliderlover]
MizValorie Offline
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Registered: 04/13/06
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Loc: Sherman, Texas
Cora sent you a text. I'll be praying for all of yall. Call me if you need ANYTHING.
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#685729 - 12/04/08 08:15 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: MizValorie]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
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Loc: Kilgore, Texas
Thanks everyone!! keep those prayers/well wishes coming! I am so glad I have all of you cause I could not go through this alone with my Holly who was born here almost 1 year ago. (4 days til her and Nicks birthday!)
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#685755 - 12/04/08 09:00 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
Happy Birthday Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Liver enzymes can elevate either due to the liver itself, or the gall bladder. I would recommend looking in there with an ultrasound. Chronos' xrays also came back 'normal' yet his liver was dying and surrounded with fluid, and his gall bladder was blocked and the size of a 10 pound cat's-none of which showed up on Xray. A liver biopsy is also an option to see whether you are dealing with fatty liver, or something else.

As to the low calcium-is she EATING the mix? If not you may need to find another way or use long term - or find out why she isn't absorbing the calcium she's eating. A shotgun course of a broad spectrum antibiotic (10-14 days) like Baytril or Clindamycin, AFTER determining what's going on with the liver so further issues aren't caused, would be a good idea, in case there is something the tests aren't showing. A deep body infection may not show up on a blood panel. Did the vet run a CBC, and how was the white cell count?
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#685763 - 12/04/08 09:20 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Xfilefan]
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Sending you good thoughts and prayers Cora for your Holly.
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#685770 - 12/04/08 09:37 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Xfilefan]
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Loc: Vincennes, IN, USA
hug2 heart hug2 heart hug2 heart hug2 heart
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#685777 - 12/04/08 09:42 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: MatchMakerMagic]
Cora Offline
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Loc: Kilgore, Texas
Teh White blood cell count was right on time. The only 2 abnormal levels are the ones I have stated..................everything else was normal. UPDATE as of 948am CST:
Dr. Fronefeld & Dr. Reese feel that once I get the calcium up with the Calcium supplement he gives me twice a day that everything else should work itself out. Have not heard Dr. Tristins opinion yet.
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#685784 - 12/04/08 10:14 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
LSardou Offline
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Just checking in this morning, and keeping Holly in my prayers. I hope that they will get to the root of the problem soon for her Cora. hug2

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#685797 - 12/04/08 10:49 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: LSardou]
shutteringheart
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Awwww... Poor Holly! heart I know she means alot to you Cora and Amanda. All your babies do!
I will keep her in my prayers. If you need anything let me know.

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#685894 - 12/04/08 01:51 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: ]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
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Loc: Kilgore, Texas
awwwwwwwww thanks Jennifer!
I Picked up and initial dosed the liq calcium to Holly. She is the same.....................no worse no better. but no worse is good!
Dr. Fronefeld (maryhs vet) also feels the calcium will fix her. Thats 2 vets that agree so far!
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#685896 - 12/04/08 02:00 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
Posts: 6574
Loc: Kilgore, Texas
Linda your an Angel thanks for praying and following this thread!
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#685950 - 12/04/08 03:26 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
sandbat Offline
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Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 633
Loc: Dallas, TX
I'm so sorry. frown My prayers are with you and your little one.

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#685956 - 12/04/08 03:36 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
shutteringheart
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Thats great that two vets agree!^ ^ No worst is defiantley best!
^ ^ Thanks for keeping us posted!

I wonder if her being tiny has anything to do with whats wrong with her? Because isn't her mom and dad bigger?

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#685980 - 12/04/08 04:13 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: ]
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So sorry your baby is ill Cora. I will keep her in my prayers. Sending lots of hugs to you.
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#686804 - 12/05/08 09:56 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Trigger]
LSardou Offline
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Loc: Kansas
Cora, Just checking in to see if there is any new updates on Holly. How is she doing today? Been thinking of her and do hope that 'no news is good news' hug2

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#686807 - 12/05/08 10:07 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: LSardou]
Cora Offline
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Loc: Kilgore, Texas
Well she is maybe a wee bit stronger..................Her babies went to their new mom today so as of now she is no longer nursing. Dr. Reese wants to redraw her blood in 2 weeks. at least she is not any worse. I hope she does not stress with the loss of her joeys but good grief they are 10 weeks OOP..........LOL They were at least a week premature.

Hopefully this whole thing will pass ....................
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#686842 - 12/05/08 11:52 PM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: Cora]
SugarBlossoms Offline
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Loc: USA
Sending more prayers for Holly. HUGS
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God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.

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#686950 - 12/06/08 09:39 AM Re: Please pray for Holly [Re: SugarBlossoms]
LSardou Offline
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Thank you for the update Cora. I hope that with her baby's gone she will be able to settle down and get some rest. I'd make sure to give her some extra attention for the next few days to fill that void for her so that she doesn't focus to much on their being gone.
Sending lots of hugs and prayers.

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