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#686943 - 12/06/08 09:27 AM Stewie is gone - Need some info please

Last night when I went to feed my colony, Stewie didn't come out to greet me. I found him in his pouch, he had passed sometime yesterday. I don't know what happened, he was perfectly fine on Thursday, and I had no indication that anything was wrong. I took the rest of the colony to the vet this morning, they all checked out ok, but that may not mean anything.

I had them pack Stewie to send his whole body FedEx to Amtech for necropsy & lab work so maybe we can find out why he died, or at least find out if he had something that I need to treat everybody for. Here's where I need help - Amtech is going to charge me over $300 (and I just got laid off) - I know Peggy posted somewhere about how Tristan is willing to do reduced/low cost necropsies along with all the info on where to send the body & who to contact when you ship it, but I can't find that info & if I am going to send Stewie to Dr. Tristan instead of Amtech, I need the info before Amtech picks him up between 11-12 today (EST).

If you have this info, please contact me ASAP: 423-213-2529 or 423-474-3433 Thank you...

#686954 - 12/06/08 09:43 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]
LSardou Offline
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Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
Loc: Kansas
cry OH NO! Gina, I am so sorry to hear this about Stewie! cry hug2 hug2 I'm sorry that I can't be of much help with the information your looking for other than suggesting that you try and give Peggy or Dr. Tristan a call to see what they suggest.
Sending you many many hugs and prayers.

#686957 - 12/06/08 10:05 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: LSardou]

I got a hold of Dr. Tristan - we may have to send tissue samples out instead of his whole body in order to make sure they are still able to get the info they need. I am supposed to have Dr. Kate call him this morning for instructions.

#686974 - 12/06/08 10:39 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]
ozzi Offline
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Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 3201
Loc: Sedona, AZ
I'm so sorry for your loss of Stewie Gina upset

You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown

Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge".
I miss you gangel Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel gangel

#686976 - 12/06/08 10:45 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ozzi]
reeny Offline
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Registered: 03/23/07
Posts: 1945
Loc: Miami, Fl
OMG Gina I am so sorry for your loss!
"The Flower Patch Gang"

Blossom & Buttercup
Bella & Bug
Mona & Poppy
Hannah & Lucas
Petunia & Payton
Fiona & Fiorello
Lili & Tulip & Krinkles

#686985 - 12/06/08 10:50 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: reeny]
tbull Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 3884
Loc: Wyoming
hug2 I'm so sorry for your loss. hug2

** Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for
you are crunchy and taste good with catsup **

*Proud to forever be a Boo-Boo and BJ Fan!*

#687018 - 12/06/08 12:40 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: tbull]

Ok, spoke to Kate - she managed to get through to Tim - samples have been collected & will go out Monday. She said that time is not an issue anymore because of how they handle the samples, I did not get too in depth on that topic, but it is taken care of for now. She said she didn't see anything obvious, but she's primarily a dog/cat vet, so we will see.

I also had her send Amtech poop from those who willingly went while we were there (Isis & Panda), she said the fecal results should be back Monday.

So now I guess I just sit and wait & hope no one else gets sick or worse.

#687023 - 12/06/08 12:45 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]
BCChins Offline
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Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 3089
Loc: Central Connecticut
hug2 I am very sorry for your loss of Stewie. hug2

I am glad Dr. T can help maybe shed some light on what happened. I will keep the others in my thoughts that it is not contagious and they are fine.
If you ever need to talk call me I am here.
Have a Good Day
Brenda &
Mr. Magoo

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#687041 - 12/06/08 01:08 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: BCChins]
Dancing Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
Oh Gina, I am so very very sorry.
Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.

I could have missed the pain
But I'd of had to miss the dance

The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.

#687084 - 12/06/08 03:01 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: Dancing]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
Posts: 6576
Loc: Kilgore, Texas

RIP little gangel
USDA Licensed Breeder

#687108 - 12/06/08 03:46 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: Cora]
tngliderlover Offline
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Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 548
Loc: Gallatin, TN (near Nashville)
Gina, I'm so sorry to hear about Stewie. cry hug2

#687127 - 12/06/08 04:31 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: tngliderlover]

I am so sorry Gina. You really have been hit hard lately. Peace be with your little one...

#687130 - 12/06/08 04:36 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]

Gina I am so sorry to read about Stewie. Sending you hugs and love. hug2 heart

#687149 - 12/06/08 05:21 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]
ScootersPet Offline
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Registered: 10/09/05
Posts: 2092
Loc: Baltimore, MD
So sorry to hear about Stewie. cry hug2

Sending good vibes your way, and praying that no one else is sick!

#687213 - 12/06/08 08:03 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ScootersPet]

I'm so sorry for your loss. hug2
I hope no one else is sick! hug2

#687279 - 12/06/08 09:49 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]
BeckiT Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 16083
Loc: Manitowoc, WI
cry I'm so sorry Gina hug2
~Becki & Crew~
Glidin' High Sugar Gliders
So You Want to Own a Sugar Glider? Read and Share wink

#687467 - 12/07/08 06:37 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: BeckiT]
sugarglidersuz Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Oh no, Gina... I'm very sorry about little Stewie cry I am so glad you were able to get ahold of Dr. Tristan so he can look at the tissue samples for you. hug2
Suz Enyedy
:bb: Carina & Coobah
Allira & Gizmo :grey:
:grey: Picasso, Trinity Joy & Luna
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Suz' Sugar Gliders

#687474 - 12/07/08 07:36 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: sugarglidersuz]
glidrz5 Offline
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Loc: Quincy, IL
Gina, I'm so very sorry to hear about Stewie. ((((((HUGS)))))))
Illusion, Malcom, Isabell, Annabelle, Zach, Isis, Aly & Indy
AND Miss Emmy & Miss Chloe kitties

:rbridge: My Angels: You are always in my heart.

You've flown to the rainbow
and wait there for me
Someday I will join you
together to be

#687491 - 12/07/08 09:19 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: glidrz5]

heart hug2 and prayers coming your way, I'm so sorry for your loss.

#687531 - 12/07/08 11:29 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]
Karin Offline
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Registered: 09/06/01
Posts: 11583
Loc: Sycamore Illinois
I am so sorry G.....big big HUGS!!!!

Miss Lily and Bud
Prada and Armani
Tessa, Deuce and Cami

Tira and Misu angel Deja and Vu

Glider Daydreams

"Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass...It is about learning to
dance in the rain!"

#687746 - 12/07/08 07:58 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: Karin]
Feather Offline

Registered: 01/19/08
Posts: 12418
Loc: Wisconsin

I am so sorry to read that you lost Stewie, I hope you get the answers you need from the necropsy.

May your memories of Stewie comfort you in the days to come.
Feathers-Sweetie, Sklyar Blue, Mister Peanut, Big Mack & Ibo
Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Micheal, Stevie, Cho & Maharet :bb: T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon :wfb: TY, TJ, Khayman & T'Pring :rtmo: O'Ryan :leu:
Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker and the rest of my babies over the :rbridge:

#687771 - 12/07/08 08:33 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: Feather]
KattyM Offline
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Registered: 12/24/02
Posts: 9910
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Gina, I'm so sorry for your loss of little Stewie. hug2 I pray you find peace with any answers that come your way. heart
Forever owned in my heart by my :grey: "Eight is Enough" colony:

2002: Keiko (F) + 2003: Hiroshi (M) = 2004: joey Tomoki (M)
2009: Sammy (F), Charlie (F), Murray (M), Herbie (M)
2010: BJ (M)

#687878 - 12/08/08 01:09 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: KattyM]
Sheila Offline
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Registered: 02/05/00
Posts: 5363
Loc: Ok
Gina, I am so sorry. I know how much your babies mean to you. angel
ToandFro Gliders

USDA Licensed breeder for 12 years and counting!


#687972 - 12/08/08 09:37 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: Sheila]
MatchMakerMagic Offline
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Registered: 09/18/07
Posts: 2785
Loc: Port Saint Lucie, FL
Gina, Im so very sorry for your loss! Godspeed little Stewie. (((hugs)))

When it rains, it pours...

#688057 - 12/08/08 11:50 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: sugarglidersuz]

Originally Posted By: sugarglidersuz
I am so glad you were able to get ahold of Dr. Tristan so he can look at the tissue samples for you. hug2

He actually is having my vet send them to a pathologist that he uses, so he won't actually see anything, but I will make sure to post the report.

#688442 - 12/08/08 10:20 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]

I sincerly pray for comfort for you. I hope you find the rest are just fine. God Bless sending lots of hugs. Him and Petey can play together. frown

#688698 - 12/09/08 07:38 AM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: ]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
Posts: 13746
Loc: Vincennes, IN, USA
Oh Gina! What a sad year for you! I am so sorry to hear of Stewie's passing. I hope your other babies are ok. You are such a good suggie mom and gave Stewie so much love, he had no doubts of how much you love him!

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"Glide free :rbridge: Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."

#689593 - 12/10/08 12:23 PM Re: Stewie is gone - Need some info please [Re: suggiemom1980]

Ok, Stewie's samples have been sent to the lab - at $290, I only saved $10 from Amtech's price plus the $100 for the cremation = $390 total!

The fecals on Panda & Isis came back negative, so we are relying totally on the tissue samples now. I got to talk to Dr. Kate a bit more in depth about the post & she said that his liver was enlarged, it weighed 35g - she also said that he had very thick layers of fat & that the fat layers were also present in his patagium. She said all the fat combined was about 17g. She is wondering if he had a heart attack. Fawkes had the enlarged liver as well as the cardiomyopathy, so it could be something hereditary depending on what the lab says about Stewie's heart. She said that based on the amount of fat, she would have classified Stewie as morbidly obese even though he was only 157g - I realize that 157g is considered overweight, but I was suprised to hear that he was "morbidly obese".

Given that I have 3 other overweight (ranging aroud 160g) sons of Fawkes and Stewie, Kate recommended that I cut the oatmeal in the Priscilla's mix down by half & think about thyroid testing on all 3 boys - again, dependant upon what is found with Stewie's labs.

#694518 - 12/17/08 11:57 AM Stewie's Necropsy Results

I got the necropy results for Stewie today, though I can't say it helped me any - Dr. Kate couldn't really explain the results except to tell me that Stewie was fat. I have faxed the report to Peggy in the hopes that Dr. Tristan can find something meaningful in it. I don't know how to use my scanner, so here is what the report says (maybe Peggy know how to attach the actual report):

Clinical Information: There was an unexpected death. This sugar glider is over-conditioned.

Microscopic: Submitted were seven tissue sections.

Kidney: Examined were sections through the cortex and medulla of the kidney. These sections are moderately autolyzed.
Lung: The lung is severly congested.
Liver: The liver is severely congested. There are multifocal areas of lymphoplasmacytic and rare neutrophilic infiltrates randomly throughout the hepatic parenchyma. These are also present within the portal triads.
Spleen: No lesion recognized
Pancreas: There is extensive fat infiltration into the lobules of the pancreas.
Intestine: The intestinal sections are moderately autolyzed.
Heart: Examined is a longitudinal section through the ventricle, atria, and great vessels of the heart. No lesion is recognized.

Liver: Moderate multifocal subacute cholangiohepatitis

Comment: The primary lesion identified is of a cholangiohepatitis. The cause of this is not determined and no specific microorganisms are identified. The intestinal sections, which I suspect would be the point of origin for an infection, are significantly autolyzed.

#694523 - 12/17/08 12:06 PM Re: Stewie's Necropsy Results [Re: ]
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I'm so sorry Gina that the results did not help you any. I hope Dr. Tristan will be able to help you better understand what happened.
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