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#702 - 08/12/02 05:06 AM Please help with self-mutilating female
Anonymous
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Please-please-please help me!
below is the long story of what happened since last Tuesday and sorry, but I put questions in caps so you could see them easier...

I have a sugar glider which is in trouble (this nematode causing self-mutilation) and since there's no good vet where I live, I'm trying to contact vets or owners whose sugar gliders lived thru that desease.

I've got my Minnie about 3 weeks ago I was told she was about 4-6 weeks OOP. She has always lived in a large tall cage and ate (grapes, mangos, cherrys, dates, water-melons, hedgehog food, eggs, youghurt) and drank (water, apple juice) plentifully.

Last Tuesday night she started making these painful hisses which I first attributed to appetite growth/hunger, since she ate eagerly when I gave her fruits in the morning. When these hisses countinued thru the Wednesday night, I decided to take her to a vet early Thursday. Well, there's just one doctor well-known as exotics doctor around here (I live in Vancouver, BC) -- Dr. Sharon Prus, so I took my Minnie to the 2 hours drive to Dr. Prus.

I've described the sympthoms (hisses + scratching in the bum area) and said I suspect some parasites, so Sharon did the checkups but said that Minnie is very healthy and she sees nothing wrong with her. Since I was reluctunt to leave without any anti-parasite medication, Sharon prescribed the Ivermectin (once every two weeks, 0.04).

So we went home and the same night (Thursday) I fed Minnie some mango sprayed with the Ivermectin hoping for the fast recovery. I watched Minnie to eat her manog with the medicine. On Friday morning I found that Minnie chew off some fur at her bum area and the skin there looked swalloed, unhealthy-pink.

In a total desperation I've called a friend of mine, Colin, who has had a sugar glider while ago and he has bought him from Caroline MacPherson (she wrote a few books on sugar gliders and lives in BC) back then. Colin suggested me to call Caroline. So I did call Caroline (which has been the greatest help so far) Friday morning. Caroline has identified the desease right as I mentioned the sympthoms and suggested the antibiotics + mild sedative as a complement to the Ivermectin. So I've had to call Dr. Prus and ask her to call local animal clinic to issue me the Baytril (0.02 twice a day) and some mild sedative (0.04 three times a day).

I've stayed up the whole night from Friday to Saturday in shifts with my girlfriend, to make sure that as soon as Minnie makes those hissing noises we distract her attention by making noise and/or gently poking her with our fingers (which she grabbed but never bit). Minnie stopped making those painful hisses by the Saturday morning, she ate as usual (again we fed her fruits/yougurt with Baytril & sedative) and went back to sleep after a short walk around our appartment. To much of our relief she didn't make any hissing noises the whole Saturday and we were hoping that combination of drugs and our attention has put Minnie on a way back to health.

Oh, I found Dr. Bourbon's web-site on Saturday and read in shock all the horror self-mutilation stories of other sugar glider owners. I was so hoping that since we stopped Minnie from chewing on herself, she'll recover soon.

When Minnie woke up the Saturday evening we saw that she chewed off portions of skin in her chest and bum areas. So we guessed she did in during the 30 minutes we've had to leave her unsupervised. The damage she did to herself wasn't even close to that of some stories of self-mutilation on your web-site tho. However seeing that she continues to mutilate herself we got worried and spent all Saturday night again watching her. But apparently she has smartened up and learnt to chew on herself quietly -- by the Sunday morning the wounds became twice as wide as day before, altough not deep.

We spent Sunday watching her making sure she would chew on herself quietly and have tried (for like 4 hours in the evening) to put on her some kind of "gauze-sweater" (Kaya story) or e-collar (Petey story). However we failed both times. She either took bandage/collar off quite easily or we had to urgently take them off when we saw she started having hard times breathing.

I was wondering if you could help us with suggestions in any way, there's still Monday left for us to act, but I'm afraid unless we can change something significantly on Monday, Minnie might not live past Monday night <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

so, the questions I have...
1. I have found the info http://www.gliderhealth.com/slfmutl/ecollar.html on making an e-collar and I'll try it tomorrow when the shops open. As I mentioned we've tried to make one from the milk carton and it didn't work. IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONS TO INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO MAKE AN E-COLLAR ON THE PAGE ABOVE, PLEASE REPLY!

2. The chest wound grew big (about 2x2mm), HOW SHOULD I TREAT IT? The medicine you suggest -- is it available in grocceries or should I get it from the vet?

3. Since there's no definite answer for the reasons of self-mutilation -- SHOULD I ADMINISTER ANY OTHER MEDICATIONS TO MY GLIDER (apart from Baytril and Ivermectin)?

4. ANY OTHER SUGGESTION from anybody who has managed to get their glider thru that would be greately appreciated!

thanks in advance,
Stan

<small>[ 08-12-2002, 06:20 AM: Message edited by: Stan ]</small>

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#703 - 08/12/02 05:29 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Ellen Ross replied to my e-mail suggesting to do the stool float done (checkup for urinary tract infection) and getting an e-collar from the vet ASAP.

Both will be done early Monday morning. If anyone knows a decent vet in BC (preferably Vancouver or surrounding areas) who has dealt with sugar gliders and/or made e-collars, please reply!

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#704 - 08/12/02 05:31 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Hi Stan. I am so sorry about your little girl. I do not have the answers you are looking for. I didnt read that you were feeding veggies. They are a big part of there diet. Maybe it is a vitamin diefinciency. Sorry about spelling. Go to bourbons diet section and try the BML. Lots o people here feed it. It is a well balanced one. It would be worth trying. I will pray for you and your little minnie.

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#706 - 08/12/02 01:52 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Thanks to all who replied, I've got in touch with Mary who as well as Ellen was very helpful. I'm running to the vet now, I'll be posting Mary's advises here when I get back (sorry, I had to take a few hours nap after watching Minnie the whole night, before I drive).

-Stan

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#707 - 08/12/02 02:32 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I (thank goodness) have never had to deal with this, so all I can do is offer my sympathy. There are a few people on this board who have had this problem before and that website is a great help. The moderators hopefully can walk you through this. Bourbon and Thavens are two people who come to mind who have experience in this area. Definitely check for any kind of parasites. And since S-M is found more in males, it may be a female problem here, such as a urinary tract infection. Is she having difficulty peeing, pooping or both? I know there are others from BC on here to maybe offer advice. I hope she recovers soon and keep us updated. We'll keep her in our thoughts...

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#708 - 08/12/02 07:48 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Well, after spending alot of time in Safeway getting all the components for the BML diet (well, apparently I'm not the only one who didn't know where to get the Wheat Germ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> ), I finally got to the vet (Dr. John Andersen).

John has put her fecies and urine thru the lab tests and found a bacteria in Minnie's urine (it looks like small sticks in the microscope). So John's theory is that Minnie has some urinal infection, which lead to her licking/scratching her bum (I keep forgetting the right word) area, which lead to the skin infection which (when Minnie bent) spread on her chest.

Dr. Andersen suggested me keeping Minnie on Baytril to fight urinal infection and maybe start slightly increasing the dozage to help the healing process, also he gave me some cream (to apply twice a day) which would help both kill skin bacterias and prevent itching.

He has however suggested me to stop administrating sedative and suspend Ivermectin for a few weeks until Minnie's past urinal infection.

John has also suggested not to put the e-collar yet, since she hasn't done much damage to herself and the collar would add more stress.

Anyways, I hope now, with the proper diet and anti-bacterial cream Minnie will get better soon.

Oh, speaking of BML -- while on the phone with the nurse of one of the pet clinics in town, who also had a sugar glider, I found out that the "Heinz Juice & Yougurt mix" is not available in Canada. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

regards,
-Stan

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#709 - 08/12/02 07:54 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Let me also quote all the people who has replied to my e-mail personally:

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Mary Holocombe:
Stan...
At this time there is no cure for self mutilation. I have a mutilator, I took
him in this past january was a year ago.
Go to Wal-Mart...in the school supplies they have JM Report covers. They are
a soft clear see through plastic. Cut the ecollar out of it. In the pharmacy
you will find the mole skin tape...put it around the neck side of the tape.
put it around her neck as tight as you can leaving just enough room that you can turn the collar and it is not choking her. Also at Wal-Mart get some
vitamin E 1000. From your vet get some Silver Sulfadiazine Cream 1%. Mix a
little of the two together and put it on her morning and night. It will cure the out side but not the inside. They are still working to find out the cause
and a cure. You can give her the Baytril as well as the seditive and make her
as comfortable as possible. You can keep her alive as we are doing with our Bo
but the rest is just wait and see.
The diet you are feeding is no good. Get her on the BML asap. And for a while
give her nothing else but water.
1/2 cup honey, 1 boiled egg, 1/4 cup apple juice, 1 4oz bottle Gerber juice
with yogurt, 1 tsp. Rep-Cal Herptivite, 2 tsp. Rep-Cal Calcium, 2 21/2 oz
jar chicken baby food, 1/4 cup Wheat Germ, 1/2 cup dry baby cereal. Blend
this very good in the blender and pour it in an ice tray. get this down her
even if you have to use an eye dropper...also get water down her. Pince the skin on the back of the neck to check for dehydration...if she is dehydrated
have the vet inject her with Saline Solution.
Do all this very quickly...time is short for her. get back to me...I am here
to help in anyway possible.

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Belinda Davis:
The only thing that will save her until she heals is getting and keeping a collar on her. Since it sounds like you have already tried, keep trying. Put it on loose, may a mark with a marker how tight it is and when she gets it off, put it a little tighter and do this until it is just past where she can not get it off. Next, is she taking all of the medicines okay as they do sound like a good combination? Another thing is the diet that she is currently on lacks calcium and protein. Visit www.sugargliderinfo.com, which has a few different diets on there. It is very important for her to get fruits, vegetables, and protein, and vitamins. It is good to hear she is eating well though. Try to put as many new things into her cage to grab her attention as she probably has quite a bit of pain from her biting. An option to help with the pain if the medicine is not working is to apply just a dab of Neosporin with pain killer to the area, hold her for just a bit after applying it to make sure she does not lick it off and it has a chance to work. I am praying for your little one and hope you can get a collar on her to stay.

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Dawn:
Hello Stan. First, my thoughts and prayers are with you -- trying to help a self-mutilating glider is a really rough experience. You really need to get an e-collar on her -- I know first hand how difficult it is, but her wounds will not get better and she will not stop tearing herself up if she isn't collared. If her nose isn't turning blue, it's not too tight. They learn that they can breathe even if it is uncomfortable. Next, you need antibiotics to help heal her up, and you need to get her on the BML diet asap. If she's experiencing a vitamin or mineral deficiency, it could be contributing. Also, you need to spend a lot of time holding and playing with her. If it's an attention-deficit thing, that will help. If it is the parasite, then I'm sorry to say that I don't think there's anything you can do but ease her suffering -- I understand that the symptoms don't start until the parasite has hatched in the brain, at which point there is no known cure. But please, try these other things before you give up on her -- it may be just a yeast infection or other parasite. Best wishes.

and last but not least -- Danielle was kind to offer the help over the phone.

I'd like to thank everyone who has responded to my call for help and Dr. Andersen for finding out the reason Minnie was licking/scratching!

-Stan

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#710 - 08/12/02 07:57 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Oh, here's a picture of Minnie getting ready for 2004 Summer Olympics <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
<img src="http://www.sugarglider.net/images/resize/stan.jpg" alt=" - " />

<small>[ 08-12-2002, 11:43 PM: Message edited by: Lucy ]</small>

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#711 - 08/12/02 08:33 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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In place of the yogurt/apple juice baby juice, you can take two oz of yogurt and two oz of apple juice, will do the same thing. You want lowfat yogurt, not diet, or sugar free, watch for aspartame. It's not good for them.
Good Luck, sounds like you are doing all you can for her! I hope she makes it!
Chey

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#712 - 08/12/02 11:38 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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UPDATE

After using the cream Dr. Andersen gave me, Minnie's wounds surfaces have hardened, which I take as a good sign.

Oh, also she seems to be trying to scratch/bite herself less now that we've started using that cream.

We're still trying to watch her tonight to make sure she doesn't chew on herself, I'll see if I can find the proper film to make a few e-collars for her (just in case) tomorrow.

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#713 - 08/12/02 11:51 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Judie Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 10/25/01
Posts: 9173
Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
X-ray film is used to make the e-collars. Go to an call an emergancy clinic and you should be able to get a piece of used film. Then line the edges with a bandage called mole skin. Osco and perhaps Wal-Mart carry it. You will need help with puting it on the glider as they hate it. Do not put so tight she cannot choke herself and yet not be able to slip her head out of it.

Good luck.

<small>[ 08-13-2002, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: Judie ]</small>
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#714 - 08/13/02 07:04 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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UPDATE

Well, I took 2 hours nap and when I woke up she chewed off the hardened surface of the wound and actually increased it (both depth and size) quite a bit. We've tried putting on an X-ray film + moleskin e-collar which only stayed on for like 5 minutes.

So we went to the Vancouver Emergency Animal Clinic and the doctor there gave us some *medical* tape so the next e-collar we did, we actually taped it to her. At the rate she was going at herself I figured we better tape the collar to her than she eats herself by the morning.

The first 15 minutes we kept checking on her nose to make sure she isn't suffocating. We'll keep checking on her thru the night as well.

However she's now jumping frantically in the big glass bowl trying all her best to pull the e-collar off. She has already spent like 20-30 minutes trying to pull it off and she's still trying.

I was wondering how long do they normally try to pull the collar off before they settle down? The glider on the picture here looks pretty much relaxed... Do they at all get used to the fact that they have a collar?

Well, I'll just describe exactly what we did, maybe you'll come up with some suggestions...

So I went to the page on how to make an e-collar. The dimensions there I guess are for 1-2 years old (at least!) glider, so we made out collar a bit smaller. We've put the molesking to cover the edges of the film (the bottom edge) on both sides and we made a little stripe of the moleskin to hang so we could "fasten" the e-collar on the bottom. We've also used some molesking to "fasten" the collar on the top.

Since Minnie was able to pull off the first collar we've had to used the medical tape to tape the collar to her on the neck and on the sides.

The bottom part of the collar is at Minnie's neck area. The top part of the collar is about 1.5-2" in diameter, and is about 1 inch away from her nose (so basically she can't stick out her nose).

Oh, we fed her shortly before putting the collar on and I will hand-feed her in the morning as well. I'm afraid to be taking collar off for feeding since my gf needs to go to work and I won't be able to put the collar back on my own.

-Stan

<small>[ 08-13-2002, 08:09 AM: Message edited by: Stan ]</small>

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#715 - 08/13/02 10:06 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Judie Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 10/25/01
Posts: 9173
Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
With the collar on you will need to hand feed. I have used the e-collar and just taped it on without having to actually tape it to the glider.

When is your next appointment with the vet?
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Web site: www.MyLittleGremlin.com

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#716 - 08/13/02 11:26 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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UPDATE

Judie,
Minnie took the first e-collar off after 5-7 minutes of trying, so the second one we had to tape. Since we've got this special medical tape, it won't be as bad as a regular tape to pull out (it almost falls off on itself when it's dry).

Minnie was so fierce when we put the collar on and kept trying to take it off (we've put it on around 4:30 am and now it's 9:30 and she's still trying every so often) I'm pretty sure if we haven't had taped it to her, Minnie would have taken it off already. So kudos to the doctor in the night clinic who mentioned this medical tape to us!

Now the problem -- we fed Minnie (regular mix of fruits, hedgehod food + yougurt mixed with the apple juice & medications) right before putting the collar on (around 4:30 am) and when I offered her drink (from syringe) and food (small piece of her favorite -- grapes, with the hand) at around 9:30 (I dozed off at like 6:00 and just woke up) she didn't seem interested.

-Stan

<small>[ 08-13-2002, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: Stan ]</small>

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#717 - 08/13/02 11:28 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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As usual, I quote the replis sent to me directly:

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Dawn:
Our Petey would go through a frenzy of activity to try to get it off, then relax for a while, then try again. Try to keep her calm by putting her in a wide pouch and keeping it dark for her, talk to her, pet her -- this should help. You may want to ask your vet for something to help calm her as well if she doesn't get used to it within a day or two -- the stress sure won't help her, but it's better than letting her tear herself up further. Licky treats can help -- have q-tips handy to clean up after, though -- the collar will get all icky fast.

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Ellen:
Stan, they hate it. It's hard to eat with so you will have to fix her a
special dish of water she can drink from and a dish to eat from. Most of the
time they will get used to it. It is so sad to see a little one in a collar.
The medicine should kick in the next 24 hours and she should be feeling
better. Also a pouch or nesting box she can get into.
I would ask Mary or Danielle about the above. I know Danielle and Ken has
designed all the above for e-coller gliders.
I hope she doesn't have to have it on long. Once the pain stops she should be
OK.
Is she still peeing and pooping good?

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Mary:
Hi Stan...
It takes a few days for them to accept it. Bo...our little mutilator...he
worked and worked trying to get it off. Even the little female we put in with him tried to help him. It just about broke my heart, but I knew with out
it he would kill himself. It has been on him for a year and a half and he doesn't let it bother him any more. You will have to change it from time to time when it gets dirty. Also...when you have her out playing with her and
are there to see that she does no damage, you can take it off for a while
and give her a break...something to eat and drink...and lots of love. Maybe
she won't have to wear it very long. If it is just an infection and she is
not a mutilator like Bo...then it won't be long. But...if and when you feel like she is cured and you take it off...watch her very close for 2 or 3 weeks.
PLEASE...email me along and let me know how she is doing. Also keep me
posted on her problems and what you are doing...the info could save another gliders life. There is so much we don't know about them...and so much to
learn and all that we learn might help us to help others.
Any problems or questions you might have, know that we are here to help...
day or night.

Mary

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#718 - 08/13/02 07:11 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Well, it's 5:00 pm now, Minnie is finally asleep (altough I can't say she stopped trying pulling the collar off) and before she felt asleep I maganged to feed her like 5 drops of water (she sneezed on 6th) and she liked my finger with the BML only once. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

I hope she'll wake up hungry and eat more in the evening. If she still wouldn't eat with the collar on, I guess we'll have to take it off, but then in the evening I'll have my girlfriend to help me put a new one on.

Oh, I couldn't find the good film in neither Safeway nor London drugs, but I did find the report covers with the proper film at Staples. The X-ray film we've used on the first collar I guess is too heavy for her and she can't see thru it well, which I don't think is beneficial for Minnie.

-Stan

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#719 - 08/13/02 08:01 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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The report covers are completely okay to use for the collar. They absolutely hate being restrained with the collar on, so she will probably will not be very happy or excited to do much of anything. It is most important to make sure she is keeping hydrated. Try giving her favorite foods to eat and lots of attention to keep her as happy as possible. Mole foam will also work in keeping the collar on better than mole skin. It offers a bit of a cushion, so it doesn't cut of circulation (they usually keep it right by the mole skin). Gliders in general are slow healers. I'm keeping her in my prayers for a speedy recovery.

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#720 - 08/14/02 08:55 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Bindy, thanks, we'll try to make a few collars with the mole-foam (we're running out of moleskin anyways).

Well, the good thing is that when we took the collar off yesterday she ate almost two full tablespoon of BML/yougurt. She slept for a few hours w/o the collar on, but then around 3 am we fed her again and put a new collar on.

Today she actually ate first time (altough not much) with the collar on, so I guess either the transparent and light film is way better for her or she just got used to the fact that the collar stays on.

-Stan

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#721 - 08/15/02 03:38 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Oh, well, I was so afraid Minnie wouldn't like BML and guess what -- now she doesn't eat anything but BML and her apple juice.

We've tried giving her grapes, bananas, veggies but she sniffs then and pulls away.

I'm concerned about her vitamin defficiency now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Oh, I've tried giving her a mealworm today, I even broke it in halves so she could smell its insides, but she didn't seem interested.

Is it normal for a glider which is a few months OOP?

-Stan

-Stan

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#722 - 08/15/02 03:48 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
BeetleJuice Offline
Glider Addict

Registered: 12/12/01
Posts: 2724
Loc: Summerville, SC
Stan,

Young gliders rarely will eat bugs unless their parents teach them at a young age. She will start eating them when she matures a bit. The BML provides many of the vitamins and most of the calcium, so as long as she is eating that (especially right now) she should be fine. If she conmtinues to not eat the fruits/veggies you can try icing them with the BML. Hopefully all will improve with her and the e-collar can be removed in time. Things should get back to normal then.
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Craig

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#723 - 09/11/02 04:50 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Well, I apologize for such a delay in replying (been to the east coast for a while and then had to deal with some stuff when I got back home).

I'd like to thank *everyone* who has replied here and who has helped me over e-mail and phone.

I especially would like to thank:
* Caroline MacPherson, well, for all the books she wrote and being able to tell my glider is sick and needs help right after the first vet told me she's alright
* Ellen, for long-distance diagnosing of Minnie's urinal tract infection; Ellen, you should be psychic or vet <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
* Mary, for answering all my calls at pretty odd hours; I don't think I can thank Mary enough for all the support
* Belinda, Dawn, Kris, for all the support and very helpful information -- I appreciate all the long replys to my distress e-mails
* Lucy (and Craig?), for having this messageboard and web-site

Oh, I also suspect it was Kris who made the page about e-collars, not only it is a valuable "how-to" resource, it made us believe we can put an e-collar on Minnie at all.

Thank you all very much, without you my little girl probably wouldn't have made it.

I'm very glad to inform you that Minnie is totally fine, looks like Baytril helped her urinal infection, my new vet had some stitching done on her which was removed last week and it went very well and Minnie is totally fine now. By today, you can't even tell where she chewed on herself she grew the fur on that spot right away!

Oh, I don't know if that was her sickness or what, but she became so much closer to us. She lets us pick her up with no cribbing, almost doesn't try to run away and she just loves when we rub her neck or just massage her back or her belly <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Her diet is weird now tho. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> She went BML only when she was sick, now she barely touches BML and prefers fruits/veggies and yoghurt. We add some protein and calcium supplements to both yoghurt and BML so I guess she should be OK.

-Stan

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#724 - 09/11/02 10:25 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I am so happy to hear abot Minnie's good health. <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" /> Thanks for the update!

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#725 - 09/11/02 12:11 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Stan, you did such a wonderful job with her. I'm so happy for the outcome. You had a lot of good advise which this board is famous for. She is such a beautiful glider <img border="0" alt="glider" title="" src="graemlins/littleglider.gif" /> and it's great that you became even closer through her illness.
Good luck to you two. <img border="0" alt="dance" title="" src="graemlins/dance.gif" />
Steph

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#726 - 09/11/02 01:46 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: Izzyandrileysmom]
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I can't believe that I missed your posts about all this happening to your dear little glider. If only I'd known I would have tried to help out. But it sounds like you really got lots of help from everyone here on the board.
I'm so glad she is doing better and is well now.
I live not too far from you out in the valley.
I had a very horrible experience with my male glider mutilating himself after being neutered last spring. He was under the care of Dr. Prus, who was recommended to me but really doesn't know much about gliders. She would not put an e-collar on him and he died as a result.
This Dr. John Anderson you spoke of, Where is he located? It seems he may know more about gliders.
If I can ever be of any help to you with any glider related problems just drop me an email. I have had gliders for almost 4 years now.

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#727 - 09/11/02 02:08 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
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Pam,

I've sent it by e-mail as well. Here's the info on John Andersen.

John runs the clinic here in the city under his own name and most of the time he's the only doctor there, but I'd confirm that before making an appointment.

Their phone number is: 604-263-6767 and the address is: 8465 Granville St (if you know the Safeway on Granville & 70th, it's right there, their parking is the same as the Safeway parking).

John still has dogs and cats as majority of his patients, but from what I understood he sees a glider every week or two and I was *really* impressed on how professionally he handled my little girl. He held Minnie so she wouldn't even crib or try to escape or anything! Unlike Dr. Prus, he really impressed me. Altough he was reluctunt to put an e-collar on Minnie too (he didn't want to add to the stress she's already been having by doing that), once he saw what damage she is able to do, she said it was a good thing we put an e-collar.

Hope this helps,
-Stan

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#728 - 09/11/02 02:45 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
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I'm glad you & your baby are both ok...you did a great job with her. Thumbs up to you both <img border="0" alt="thumb" title="" src="graemlins/thumb.gif" />

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#729 - 09/11/02 03:54 PM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
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I am not sure anyone mentioned it, but Hedgehog food is not good for gliders. Glad your baby is better.
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#730 - 09/12/02 02:19 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
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Well, I have been off for almost two days due to computer problems. But this is the first post I checked...and it is Awesome to here your little girl has recovered. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
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#731 - 09/12/02 02:25 AM Re: Please help with self-mutilating female [Re: ]
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Sheila,

Thanks, and no, I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread. The hedgehog food was suggested to me by the petshop owner -- it's a first time I hear it's not good.

Minnie is getting the protein in the other ways as well so we might as well just stop giving the Hedgehog food.

So why is it bad?

thanks,
-Stan

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