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#70260 - 11/27/05 06:49 AM Cytology! A What?
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
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Loc: Wallis Texas
With all due respect I think requesting a Cytology from a vet is not proper advice without more of an explanation. Your vet will not know what you are talking about unless you can be more specific as to where you want him/her to take the specimen to be tested. Are you asking him to do a Cytology on the blood, prostrate, urine, fecal, or what?

Cytology is a procedure for taking a specimen (sample) of fluid from an animals body using a very small needle and then subjecting it to stain and examining under a microscope. This type of testing even includes skin scrapings. So it is not a very logical thing to simply tell a vet you want a Cytology test done unless you can be more specific. Here is a link that will help you better understand Cytology:

http://www.goldenvetlab.co.za/cytology.htm


I am sure there are some members that can explain this much better than I but you should get the general idea.
Charlie H


Edited by Charlie H (11/27/05 06:57 AM)
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#70261 - 11/27/05 10:09 AM Re: Cytology! A What? [Re: ]
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BRAVO, Charlie, you ROCK!!! Thank you for that information! I have been looking into perhaps applying for a USDA license (for a couple of reasons); so, I have been interviewing vets for any special care that might be needed on down the road, and when I asked about whethe they could perform certain (what I thought were) "routine" tests, cytology was one test I had asked about, and the response was this: "What kind of cytology?" Well, I, of course, had no idea, but it was something that I thought I was supposed to ask about. I was trying to determine which vet I could use locally or which vet I would need to go to for expert care, and that was one response. Thanks for your post!

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#70262 - 11/30/05 12:04 AM Re: Cytology! A What? [Re: ]
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I agree whole-heartedly. In addition, some of the tests recommended in posts make no sense given the history and presenting story. The same point Charlie H makes about cytology is true for cultures. Many are advised to get a "culture." Culture what? Depending on history and signs, cultures of certain fluids or body areas may or may not make sense. And not every presenting sign should lead to a fecal float or smear. Appropriate focus of work-up is always prudent.

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#70263 - 12/01/05 06:54 AM Re: Cytology! A What? [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Most of the time when tests are done on gliders by a vet the results are negative. This does not mean the vet is not doing a good job but that their tools are limited. They have to depend a lot on what information they can obtain from the glider owner. Then based on their own knowledge and past experience diagnose and treat the glider. This is where the standard 'shotgun treatment' comes from. There are several tests that can be run on gliders based on specific symptoms and your willingness to spend the money. It is easy to go into a vets office and request a bunch of tests and come out with a bill approaching $500. So you need to be familiar with glider illnesses and discuss all options with a knowledgeable exotic vet. Using generalized medical terms can confuse the vet and make you look like a fool.
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#70264 - 12/01/05 07:26 AM Re: Cytology! A What? [Re: ]
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They have to depend a lot on what information they can obtain from the glider owner. Then based on their own knowledge and past experience diagnose and treat the glider.

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[:"green"]Charlie, you have made an excellent point! Thank you!!! My father is a retired vet and although he never had a "practice" because he worked for the USDA, he was still very active. He always said that being a vet is much more difficult than being a doctor for a couple of reasons. 1) A person can tell the doctor what feels wrong (in most cases). An animal has to rely on its owner to tell the vet what they have noticed is "wrong". 2) A doctor is always dealing with humans. A vet is dealing with a variety of different species & has to be knowledgable about all of them.
So, everyone, please keep in mind that your vet is not a mind-reader. Be as specific as possible when you take your glider to the vet & don't be upset if your vet doesn't figure out what's wrong immediately. Since gliders will act normal until they are extremely ill, it is imperative that you be able to tell your vet anything & everything you have noticed. Don't expect the vet to ask a specific question to jog your memory. Take a list with you & make sure you go over it completely. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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#70265 - 12/08/05 01:42 AM Re: Cytology! A What? [Re: ]
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SO, with a sick glider.... just what should one ask an "inexperienced" vet to look for... as to testing? Most inexperienced vets do not even know a glider can get Geridia.

And since most illnesses seem to be stress related... and the vet does not know that... then what?

If you are both going to write that we need to ask questions so we do not appear to be stupid... then by all means... please post as to what Kind of tests....people are to ask for. After all, most here are not vets, much less doctors.

Think by now... most know cytology means "study" of.



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#70266 - 12/08/05 06:24 PM Re: Cytology! A What? [Re: ]
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There are no inexperienced vets. They may not have extensive experience with sugar gliders but they have training and experience in the treatment of animals. There are glider owners that know nothing or very little about glider illnesses. If you pair a person new to gliders with a vet that has very little knowledge of gliders you have a formula for disaster. If a vet is at the point where he has to have a novice tell him which tests to run best advice I can give is find another vet.

A new or experienced glider owner should find a good exotic vet that knows about treating gliders before the need arises. When you visit give the vet all information you can about your glider. diet, age, past history, cage mate, and any symptoms you have observed. If you have any suggestions discuss your ideas with the vet and then let them do their job. Remember, you are the one paying the bill and if your vet is prescribing treatment that you do not agree with ask about it. If you are not satisfied with the answers you get find another vet.
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#70267 - 12/08/05 10:17 PM Re: Cytology! A What? [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Goodnees, I meant to say... a vet who is inexperienced with sugar gliders. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, the ideal situation is to have an exotic vet for one's sugar glider from day one or shortly there after. However, since we live in a real world... that often is not the case with the majority of new owners of a sugar glider.
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#70268 - 12/15/05 01:20 AM Re: Cytology! A What? [Re: ]
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Think by now... most know cytology means "study" of.

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-ology - the study of
-cyt - cells

The study of the structure and function of cells. This is usually in the context of looking under a microscope for abnormal cell architecture in cancer.

Virology - study of viruses
Bacteriology - study of bacteria
Microbiology - the same for bacteria, fungi, parasites, and the whole microcosm.

When wondering if an infection is present in a body area or fluid, I would ask for a culture and sensitivity of that area (not cytology.) The purpose of the culture is to identify which bug is growing where it shouldn't, or help exclude the presence of a bug. The sensitivity tells which antibiotics have activity against the germ that was recovered.

If there was a fluid effusion around a lung or ascites in the abdomen, or a tumorous growth somewhere, I would want cytology to study the tissue cells for cancer concerns.

I can understand why a veterinarian seeing a sick glider and asked for cytology might look perplexed.

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