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#70856 - 12/01/05 08:31 AM Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets
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We just got 2 babies from a breeder, 1 male 1 female. Brother and sister. The female is a black beauty just like Mom and the boy is WFB just like Dad. The line they come from is very colored with WFB. Dad's line is 4 generations WFB and Moms is 2 generations WFB. Mom's black beauty only shows up in her grey offsprings.

What is the percentage of them throwing WFB's with grey mates? We are planning to seperate them into different colonies to avoid inbreeding. I understand that the WFB male has a 50% chance of throwing a WFB baby as WFB is co-dominant. I understand co-dominant as requiring to dominant genes for the color to show up. Is this correct? What is the chance of the Black Beauty throwing a WFB?

Would it be advisable to take an offspring from the WFB with a grey mate and an offspring from the Black Beauty and grey mate and breeding them together? Guess that is breeding cousins. We are wanting to have some WFB's.

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#70857 - 12/01/05 09:44 AM Re: Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets [Re: ]
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I do not believe that a glider not showing the white faced markings can produce white faced babies. That being said, there has been at least one documented case of two hets producing a white faced baby. I personally do not suggest breeding cousins, as to me that is still inbreeding. Perhaps if you do get wfb babies out of your male you could trade with a breeder for another wfb to expand your lines and avoid inbreeding <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#70858 - 12/01/05 09:50 AM Re: Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets [Re: ]
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I'm sorry, but I am a little confused. You said that mom is a bb, but then you mention she is 2nd generation wfb...she can not be both. If the famale joey is a bb and not a wfb, she will not have wfb joeys unless she is paired with a wfb.

Chelsey gave you good advise. There are a lot of wfb lines out there. I would not breed cousins.

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#70859 - 12/01/05 12:00 PM Re: Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets [Re: ]
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Do breeders exchange? I didn't know that. Thanks for that idea. I will look into that.

I have the pedigree written down. I am probably wording it wrong. On either side it is a WFB paired with a normal. I can trace the Dad's side back for 4 generations and the Cleo line(not sure what that is) and Mom's I can trace back 2 generations. In all the pairings it is a WFB with a normal. Mom happen to show up as a BB and her parents were WFB and normal. So I guess they were WFB paired with WFB hets apparently?

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#70860 - 12/01/05 12:35 PM Re: Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets [Re: ]
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Ok, you can breed a grey to a wfb and produce wfb. It sounds like each generation on dad's side is actually each only considered 1st generation because each generation had one wfb parent and one grey.

On mom's side, if I understand, mom is black beauty who had one wfb and one grey parent. That makes your twins, 1st generation wfb.

In my opinion, cousins are still to closely related to breed. There are some breeders that will trade. Just make sure they know the family tree of their gliders so that you don't accidentally inbreed (after the trade).

the Cleo line means that family line started (or is traced back to) a glider named Cleo.
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#70861 - 12/01/05 01:49 PM Re: Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets [Re: ]
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Here are the generations to clear it up a little more

1st gen wfb = One wfb parent and one normal
2nd gen wfb = Two wfb parents
3rd gen wfb = Two wfb parents and 4 wfb grand parents
4th gen wfb = two wfb parents, 4 wfb grand parents and 8 wfb great grand parents

So on and so forth...it is believed that the higher Generation WFBs will produce lighter blond colors and more of them instead of hets. Hasn't really been proven since many breeders are just breeding wfb to a gray. Some are now branching out though and getting higher gen wfbs. .


Edited by sil (12/01/05 03:17 PM)

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#70862 - 12/01/05 01:54 PM Re: Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets [Re: RSXTC]
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sil, just correcting what I know was just a slip of the finger for you. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
4th gen wfb = two wfb parents, 4 wfb grand parents and 4 wfb great grand parents

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a 4th gen would have 8 wfb great grand parents.
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#70863 - 12/01/05 02:55 PM Re: Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets [Re: ]
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Thank you. You guys have cleared me up. I've been trying to figure it out for a few months and reading on different sites and kept getting confused. Now it makes so much sense and sadly it is quite simple.

Hubby and I have talked about trying to breed WFB's. That was why we were wanting to know about the inbreeding. To try and establish a line where we new atleast a few generations.

I've noticed in the pedigree that all the males were WFB and no females were. Is that just because it takes 1 male to impregnate so many females? Or are there just more WFB males?

I guess it would be best to do as suggested earlier to trade a WFB offspring or purchase a nice pedigree'd female to couple with the WFB male.

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#70864 - 12/01/05 03:18 PM Re: Genetics question about WFB and WFB hets [Re: ]
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lol... got typing to fast! Fixed the mistake thanks Dancing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I don't know if there are more males to females, mine have always been even.

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